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|  #21 Posted on 25.4.03 1328.27 | Instant Rating: 4.74 | Isn't the original raison d'etre (whoo hoo!) for cage matches that the face wants to get the heel in a situation where outside interference can't occur, for the express purpose of beating the hell out of said heel?
So the idea for having the match in a cage is that one STAYS and inflicts as much punishment as possible, no? Yes.
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| #22 Posted on 25.4.03 1447.46 |
Originally posted by sergeial
I agree, escape is lame. Tally me with those who prefer the mesh cage, too.
Whenever I think about how lame the win-by-escape rule is, it occurs to me that a reverse cage match, with lose-by-escape-only rules would be cool. The only way you can win is if your opponent leaves the cage first, whether it be by fleeing from you, or by throwing him out.
This would be a natural signature match for Nathan Jones, if he ever gets good enough to bother with.
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The NWA tried that in January '88 when they had the Bunkhouse Stampede finals in a cage match, with the last man remaining in the ring the winner. Let's just say; since it hasn't been done again in the past 15 years, it wasn't a riveting experience.
As for types of cages, the mesh is far superior, and the NWA pinfall/submission rule was better than escape. The reason the blue bars were brought in was because of Hogan/Bundy at Mania 2, because neither could climb the traditional style cage (remember, Snuka/Backlund and Snuka/Muraco were in mesh cages in the early 80's, and Santana/Valentine was in a mesh cage a few months prior to Mania 2).
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| #23 Posted on 25.4.03 1511.16 | All this talk of steel cages reminds me of one of the best videos ever released in WWF history: Inside the Steel Cage. I highly encourage everyone here to try and hunt down that video. All of the matches are in steel-mesh cages, except for the Hogan/Bundy match, which is in the steel-bars cage, but that match sucks anyway.
Best cage match inside the steel-bars cage: Bret Hart v. Owen Hart at SummerSlam '94. That match kicked all kinds of ass. I don't know why I felt compelled to include that, but I did.
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| #24 Posted on 25.4.03 1511.29 | Originally posted by MoneyInk
The no way in no way out idea wasn't really hyped until Hell in a Cell. I always looked at the cage as a good way to end a long feud. It would be a brutal match and with the cage around it would keep outside interference specifically from a manager to a minimum. Also it was good for beatdowns where the heels would lock up the door and then climb in and the refs could not climb in to stop it.
That's exactly how the NWA hyped and used their cage matches as far back as the mid '80s when I started watching wrestling as a kid. It was hyped as a "no way in and no way out" type situation. Plus, the foundation for the Four Horsemen was laid down when Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, and Ole Anderson locked Dusty Rhodes inside a cage (after Dusty saved Ric Flair from a beating by Ivan and Nikita Koloff) and destroyed his leg while The babyfaces were surrounding the cage with no way in.
As for specialized cage matches, give me the WarGames. I also love the WarGames rule that the only way to win is force the other side to surrender.
My favorite cage match ever was the Magnum T.A. vs. Tully Blanchard "I Quit" match. That was some brutal stuff.
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|  #25 Posted on 25.4.03 1540.36 | Don't they also add the pinfall rules when a guy is too lazy to climb the cage?
And how about the cages with the electrified top? Was there any way to tell if they really WERE electrified? Did anyone get zapped?
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| #26 Posted on 25.4.03 1628.31 |
Originally posted by Tod deKindes
Don't they also add the pinfall rules when a guy is too lazy to climb the cage?
And how about the cages with the electrified top? Was there any way to tell if they really WERE electrified? Did anyone get zapped?
Well, the cage at Halloween Havoc '89 for Sting/Flair vs. Funk/Muta did catch on fire on its way down from the rafters.
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| #27 Posted on 25.4.03 1941.02 | Instant Rating: 2.74 | Though it's only been used once for an actual 'match' I'd kill to see the READY TO RUMBLE cage make a comeback for a RAW only PPV. It made for a far better match then that elimination chamber and was a really fucking cool looking structure.
They should have Bischoff reintroduce it to the WWF croud.
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| #28 Posted on 25.4.03 2015.31 | The triple cage was used twice. Once in the triple threat match of DDP, Jeff Jarrett, and David Arquette at Slamboree 2000 and then again for Wargames 2000.
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|  #29 Posted on 26.4.03 0221.41 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | My favourite cage is Nicolas.
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| #30 Posted on 26.4.03 0234.55 |
Originally posted by Battlezone
I think I read at one time that the reason they had the blue steel bars was because in the 80's, the superstars at the time had trouble, let's say, negotiating a traditional mesh cage. Is this true?
I think the reason for the Big Blue Cage bars was that it was simply easier to shoot the guys between the big bars with a camera.
Personally, I always liked the mesh cages, just because I giggle like a school girl whenever I see the 'face grinding' spot.
As a last note, I think the cage match between Bret and Owen sucked. The match could have been good, but I hated how Owen would lie dead on the ground, unable to move, until Bret was halfway over the top and out. Then Owen would jump up and run full speed to the top of the cage to catch him. I don't know what the hell happened to Owen that night, but it looked like he was taking psychology lessons from RVD.
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| #31 Posted on 26.4.03 0511.24 | Instant Rating: 4.45 | I prefer the blue bar cage, though I don't really mind the mesh cage. But if I had the choice, I'd choose the blue bars.
Without the blue bars, you wouldn't have had the awesome spot of Owen getting his legs caught between them and hanging upside down while his brother jumped to the floor for the victory in the aformentioned title match.
Also, because I had grown up on the blue bars, when I first saw Hell in the Cell and it was mesh, it made the match seem that much more important to me.
So the blue bar cage is only used in Europe now?
The thing I really don't like is the top of the cage. Why the hell is that scaffolding like top on it. You know, the one where the wrestlers can all sit and lay on top of it like another level. You think the escape from the cage rule isn't believable -- well, that reeks of unbleivability. | OMEGA
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| #32 Posted on 26.4.03 1019.45 |
Originally posted by minextoo
Without the blue bars, you wouldn't have had the awesome spot of Owen getting his legs caught between them and hanging upside down while his brother jumped to the floor for the victory in the aformentioned title match.
Yeah, that ending was awesome. But you can only do it so many times without it getting old. So we're really not missing much without the big blue bars.
The thing I really don't like is the top of the cage. Why the hell is that scaffolding like top on it. You know, the one where the wrestlers can all sit and lay on top of it like another level. You think the escape from the cage rule isn't believable -- well, that reeks of unbleivability.
The reason for the scaffolding on top is so they can hook the wires up from the cage to the ceiling, so they can just lower the cage to the ring, which is good. Remember when the WWF would just set the cage up? It'd take FOREVER, so we were forced to watch a never-ending interview parade with Hogan, Warrior, Demolition, Haku, Warlord, Tito Santana, Dino Bravo, Earthquake, Honkytonk Man, and the list never stopped. I'll trade in realism for efficiency.
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| #33 Posted on 27.4.03 0239.36 |
Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by Tod deKindes
Don't they also add the pinfall rules when a guy is too lazy to climb the cage?
And how about the cages with the electrified top? Was there any way to tell if they really WERE electrified? Did anyone get zapped?
Well, the cage at Halloween Havoc '89 for Sting/Flair vs. Funk/Muta did catch on fire on its way down from the rafters.
The funny part was that Muta climbed up the cage and put the fire out with his mist. 
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