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This got me thinking. Who's on your all 80's superstar team?
Only qualification is one productive season during the 1980s.
I just had to post this while I thought of it. I'll do some thinking and come up with my own list.



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My All-Eighties Team:

Catchers ... Mike Scioscia and Bob Boone
First Basemen ... Keith Hernandez and Don Mattingly
Second Basemen ... Ryne Sandberg and Lou Whitaker
Third Basemen ... Mike Schmidt and George Brett
Shortstops ... Ozzie Smith and Cal Ripken
Left Fielders ... Tim Raines and Rickey Henderson
Center Fielders ... Dale Murphy and Kirby Puckett
Right Fielders ... Andre Dawson and Dave Winfield

Starting Pitchers ... Jack Morris, Fernando Valenzuela, Dwight Gooden, Orel Hershiser, and Nolan Ryan

Relief Pitchers ... Dave Smith, Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter, Jeff Reardon, and Dan Quisenberry

Manager ... Tom Lasorda



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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    This got me thinking. Who's on your all 80's superstar team?


Well, since you've asked:

First Base: Eddie Murray
Second Base: Ryne Sandberg
Shortstop: Ozzie Smith
Third Base: Mike Schmidt
Left Field: Ricky Henderson
CenterField: Dale Murphy
Right Field: Dwight Evans
Catcher: Carlton Fisk
Pitchers: Jack Morris, Dave Steib, Nolan Ryan, Dwight Gooden, Orel Hershiser, Roger Clemens, Fernando Valenzuela, Jeff Reardon, Dan Quisenberry, Dave Righetti
Bench: Wade Boggs, George Brett, Darryl Strawberry, Cal Ripken, Andre Dawson, Robin Yount, Gary Carter

Keep in mind that if you ask again next month you'll probably get a different answer from me. Ozzie may be the best defensive shortstop of all time; but does that offset Ripken's offense and durability? The pitching staff seems to have too many righthanders, and that's without including Bert Blyleven. I would also prefer not to have to turn to Dale Murphy as my emergency catcher; that would mean making room on the roster for Lance Parrish.

BTW, trivia buffs should appreciate this: The top five players in OBP + Slugging for the 1980's (minimum 3,000 plate appearances) are as follows:

Mike Schmidt .925
Wade Boggs .922
George Brett .913
Don Mattingly .889
Pedro Guerrero .888

Through most of baseball's history, third base is the position least likely to produce a superstar. In fact, it's the most under-represented position in baseball's Hall of Fame (at least, it was the last time I checked). That's what makes the above list unique; each of the top five players in OBP + Slugging for the 1980's also played at least a few games at third base. Granted, in Mattingly's case it was very few, as his career games played at third is a grand total of three (all in 1986); but IMHO that's what makes for great trivia. Feel free to use this information to win as many free drinks in your local as you can.

Oh, and finally:

Manager: Davey Johnson

And that's one position I have no doubts about.



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Bob Boone? Bob Boone? You couldn't come up with anyone better than Bob Boone? Here are some of his batting averages for the 80s: .229, .211, .202, .222..... yeah, he could play defense, but nobody could overcome his awful bat. Carlton Fisk, Lance Parrish, somebody, most everybody was better than Bob Boone.



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C- Carlton Fisk
1B- Eddie Murray
2B- Ryne Sandberg
3B- Wade Boggs
SS- Cal Ripken
LF- Rickey Henderson
CF- Dale Murphy
RF- Dave Winfield
DH- Mike Schmidt

SP- Roger Clemens, Dwight Gooden, Bret Saberhagen, Mike Scott, Jack Morris
RP- Dan Quisenberry, Bruce Sutter, Dave Righetti, Jesse Orosco

Bench- Mike Scioscia, Ozzie Smith, Don Mattingly, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount





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I must agree with the Pieman... as amazingly great defensively as Boone was, and as key a member of some good (and champion) Dodger teams Scoscia was, I don't see how you could place them above Fisk and Gary Carter on the All Eighties Team. I mean, they are both HOF'ers.



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C: Gary Carter (better offense than Fisk, equal defense)
1B: Eddie Murray
2B: Ryne Sandberg
3B: Mike Schmidt
SS: Ozzie Smith (with all the power this team has, I'd prefer his speed and glove over Ripken's pop)
LF: Rickey Henderson
CF: Robin Yount
RF: Tony Gwynn

I'd probably go with this lineup. The only thing I don't like about it, having so many righties clumped together, isn't much of a problem considering the numbers:

LF Henderson
RF Gwynn
1B Murray
3B Schmidt
C Carter
CF Yount
2B Sandberg
SS Smith
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Rotation: Roger Clemens; Jack Morris; Dwight Gooden; Orel Hershiser; Frank Viola (token lefty starter, and since Kirby didn't make the cut, the Twins get more love from me than the Dodgers, so no Fernando)

Bullpen: Lee Smith; Bruce Sutter; John Franco and Dave Righetti (token lefty relief); Dan Quisenberry; Mike Scott (Long relief/spot starter. The guy was DOMINANT for a short span, thanks/curses to the splitfinger.)

Bench: Carlton Fisk (C); George Brett (1B-3B); Cal Ripken (SS-3B); Tommy Herr (2B, switch-hitting RBI machine for a couple of years); Eric Davis (OF, speed, power, defense, another Red, and too damn fragile to be in the everyday lineup); Darryl Strawberry (OF, insane lefty power)

It really hurt to leave guys like Kirby Puckett, Don Mattingly, Wade Boggs, and Dale Murphy off my team.
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Here's my list with 2 at each position:

C - Johnny Bench/Darrell Porter
1B - Donny Baseball/Rod Carew
2B - Ryne Sandburg/Willie Randolph
3B - Mike Schmidt/Wade Boggs (I liked Lansford in the '80's also...)
SS - Robin Yount/Ozzie Smith
LF - Tim Raines/Jose Canseco
CF - Rickey Henderson/Willie McGhee
RF - Darryl Strawberry/Dave Winfield
P - Nolan Ryan/Roger Clemens



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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Here's my list with 2 at each position:

    C - Johnny Bench/Darrell Porter

    Wasn't Bench washed up before '80, though? I know he kept going to All-Star games until he retired, but I don't remember him doing much of anything in the 80's. Then again, I was just 6 when the '80 season started, which was the last good year the Reds had before his retirement, so my memory is a little fuzzy.

    Anybody know of a site where I can access retired players stats by season?
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    Originally posted by Zaphod
    Anybody know of a site where I can access retired players stats by season?


www.baseball-reference.com



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Off the top of my pointy head:

1B: Eddie Murray
2B: Ryne Sandberg
SS: Alan Trammell
3B: George Brett
OF: Rickey Henderson
OF: Brett Butler
OF: Tony Gwynn
C: Benito Santiago
SP: Orel Hershiser
RP: Goose Gossage

and now the all-worthless 80's team:

1B: Billy Joe Robideaux/Joey Meyer
2B: Chris Pittaro
SS: Dale Sveum
3B: Mike Pagliarulo
OF: Joe Charbonneau
OF: Larry Sheets
OF: Dion James
C: Mark Salas, among many
SP: Dick Ruthven
RP: The Boston Red Sox



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"You couldn't come up with anyone better than Bob Boone?"

... not in the 1980's A.L., at least. Boone was a far better defensive catcher than anyone in that league, with the possible exception of Jim Sundberg. Sure, Boone and Sundberg were weak offensively -- but they were terrific at blocking errant pitches (and oncoming baserunners), had great arms, and handled their pitching staffs brilliantly. In my view, that's what the essence of being a good catcher is all about. Fisk was in decline defensively from 1980 until the end of his career. Parrish put up gaudy HR numbers in a good HR park and possessed a strong arm. I'd rather have Boone's across-the-board defense, and look for offense from those positions that prize offense more than defense, like 1B and LF.

I never saw any pitcher shaking at the sight of Brooks Robinson in the batter's box. But there was no better 3B during that time, and everyone who saw him in the field knew it.

"I don't see how you could place them above Fisk and Gary Carter on the All Eighties Team. I mean, they are both HOF'ers."

... Well, that's the whole thing. I don't believe that Fisk or Carter should be in the Hall. It's not that I think Scioscia or Boone are Hall-worthy, either. I don't think there was one single HOF catcher in the 80's -- it was a poor decade for that position.

"the all-worthless 80's team:"

... Now, THIS is a great idea.

Catchers ... Bruce "Eggs" Benedict and Geno Petralli
First Basemen ... David Green and Billy Joe Robidoux
Second Basemen ... Doug Flynn and Steve Lombardozzi
Third Basemen ... Jeff Schu and Fat Floyd Rayford
Shortstops ... Sammy Khalifa and Rafael Ramirez
Left Fielders ... Jeff Stone and Barry Bonnell
Center Fielders ... Carmelo Martinez and Oddibe McDowell
Right Fielders ... R.J. Reynolds and Glenn Braggs

Starting Pitchers ... Ken Schrom, John Butcher, Al Nipper, Steve Trout, and Randy Lerch

Relief Pitchers ... Matt Young, Edwin Nunez, Luis Sanchez, Greg Booker, and George Frazier

(edited by J.T. Dutch on 14.1.03 0636)

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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    and now the all-worthless 80's team3B: Mike Pagliarulo



Tell me you did not just say that.

So Pags wasn't Babe Ruth, but he had that thing that always made him fun to watch, always getting the uniform dirty and coming up with the clutch hit more often that not. It's not as though the ball was jumping out of stadiums the way it is now, or he'd have had at least one 40 hr season.

Besides he's from Medford MA, and was the Yanks 3b for enough of the 80s that he gets to call my all time favorite player DAHW-nee, as in DAHW-nee WHAL-boog.

Now Ken Oberkfell, THAT was a useless 3b.


(edited by DJ Ran on 14.1.03 1010)


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    and now the all-worthless 80's team:

    1B: Billy Joe Robideaux/Joey Meyer
    2B: Chris Pittaro
    SS: Dale Sveum
    3B: Mike Pagliarulo
    OF: Joe Charbonneau
    OF: Larry Sheets
    OF: Dion James
    C: Mark Salas, among many
    SP: Dick Ruthven
    RP: The Boston Red Sox


You said Dale Sveum.
RP: Seattle Mariners (90's also)

My all 80's suck ass team

C: Dave Valle/Macky Sasser
1B: Pete O'Brien/Steve Balboni
2nd: Billy Ripken
SS: Rey Quinones/Dick Schofield
3rd: Jack Howell
OF: Glen Davis
SP: Steve Trout, Matt Young, Mike Morgan,



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First Base: Eddie Murray (It's tossed around a lot, but "spoke softly and carried a big stick is an understatement. He could also field).
Second Base: Ryne Sandberg (Dependable, realible)
Shortstop: Ozzie Smith (The glove. The speed. What's there not to like?)
Third Base: Wade Boggs (the man could HIT)
Left Field: Ricky Henderson (Come up with a better leadoff man in the 80's. I dare ya).
CenterField: Kirby Puckitt (good glove, better hitting).
Right Field: Tony Gwynn (one of the greatest hitters ever).
Catcher: Carlton Fisk (decent bat, better defense).


Pitchers: Jack Morris (personal fave), Dennis Martinez (under-rated), Nolan Ryan (always dangerous), Roger Clemens (at times, simply impossible to hit....at least in the 80's), Fernando Valenzuela (on this team, long relief), Lee Smith (SHUT THE DOOR).

Bench: George Brett, Mike Schmidt, Cal Ripken, Andre Dawson, Robin Yount, Gary Carter (GO EXPOS!!). All of these guys could start too.


Coach(s):Tommy Lasorda





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All Worthless. This shall be much fun.

C: Alex Trevino
1B: Dan Driessen (Fine role-player in the '70's, absolute shit as a starter in the '80's.)
2B: Billy Ripken
3B: Johnny Bench (Yes, kids, he played third for a couple years prior to retirement, and although he could still hit once a month or so, he was, bar-none, the worst defensive 3B I've ever seen, in any decade. That alone wins him this prestigious award.)
SS: Rafael Santana
LF: Dion James
CF: Garry Pettis (I don't care HOW many bases he stole. When you only reach base 100 times as an everyday player, you damn well better be able to steal every time you're on.)
RF: Chris James (Good god, so many to choose from... When all else fails, James is always a fine example of a bad player, so he gets the nod by default.)

I'm tempted to try to craft this group into a lineup, but I can't decide whether I'd want to make it as good or as bad as possible. Not much difference either way, I guess.



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