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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by lotjx
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
          Originally posted by The Game
          Some people deserved to be on this list, others not so much (aka Cena, Batista, Kane, and a few others).


        John Cena would absolutely deserve to bwait are we really debating this? Hulk Hogan is in the 20s. It's just a list they made for a DVD they made. It's not a real thing.


      Technically, this is an official WWE list, so yeah its a real thing or as real as any list will get.



    There's no criteria though. It's just a crazy list to put out a DVD. You know who's in the wrong spot? Everybody.


I am not disagreeing with you that the list is bullshit what I am saying is the giant global wrestling company who owns 75% to 90% of the US wrestling is making it official. We also don't know what the criteria is since the DVD is not out yet.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by I Breastfeed John Madden
    This list was clearly made before Kaitlyn debuted.


The only other possible explanation is it's males only.

    Originally posted by 2P4E
    The strangest thing to try to justify is how the greatest wrestler ever can't beat the 2nd greatest wrestler ever.


Uh, HBK was like 5-0 vs Taker before WM including a victory in the first Hell in the Cell.



Shut up, Josh!
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.95
Other than Piper's great run in the mid 80's (which was mostly character driven) is he the most overrated wrestler ever? Everything he did from that point on was pretty much a bad impression of that run.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by Moss
      Originally posted by 2P4E
      The strangest thing to try to justify is how the greatest wrestler ever can't beat the 2nd greatest wrestler ever.


    Uh, HBK was like 5-0 vs Taker before WM including a victory in the first Hell in the Cell.


Although he only won that match due to interference from the 43rd greatest wrestler of all time.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Other than Piper's great run in the mid 80's (which was mostly character driven) is he the most overrated wrestler ever? Everything he did from that point on was pretty much a bad impression of that run.




Hmm..Piper/Bret for the IC title at Mania, Piper/Goldust, Piper giving a hell of a promo on Hogan as well as a good match plus storyline at the start of the NWO. Most recently, his promo on Jericho about The Wrestler was pretty fucking moving. You want overrated wrestler of all time, Piper is not it. I am sure you can five guys more overrated then Piper just on that list alone.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by Moss
      Originally posted by I Breastfeed John Madden
      This list was clearly made before Kaitlyn debuted.


    The only other possible explanation is it's males only.







Always knew Moolah was just wearing drag.
Major flaw in the rankings: Where is Sky Lo Lo? Hey, if Mysterio is on it, so should someone he'd look up to.
Piper's pre-WWF run was pretty good.
And, there is definitely a flaw at the top of the poll. Only 1 man in wrestling should be #1, and that is Paul Jones.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by Big G
      Originally posted by Moss
        Originally posted by 2P4E
        The strangest thing to try to justify is how the greatest wrestler ever can't beat the 2nd greatest wrestler ever.


      Uh, HBK was like 5-0 vs Taker before WM including a victory in the first Hell in the Cell.


    Although he only won that match due to interference from the 43rd greatest wrestler of all time.


I'd admittedly not brought HIAC into account, but apparently i'm not as wrong as you'd think: http://shawnmichaelsweb.com/2009/03/11/the-history-of-shawn-michaelsundertaker/
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Other than Piper's great run in the mid 80's (which was mostly character driven) is he the most overrated wrestler ever? Everything he did from that point on was pretty much a bad impression of that run.




I take it you weren't privy to any of the NWA matches/feuds he was a part of before WWF. Because he was a hell of a wrestler/brawler before Vince got hold of him.

Not to mention, he always cut premium promos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHh9Wb--J0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryw2VfhdRgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9BWT53LzE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtcy_F1XMVQ&feature=related
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The criteria of the list was "hey, wouldn't it be funny if we put Rey Misterio and Andre the Giant right next to each other?" That is the criteria of the list.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
While there are a lot of wtf moments on this list, this makes me scratch my head the most:

Hulk Hogan: 23
Randy Savage: 14

I mean, unless we are talking match quality, there is just so much working against this ranking.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
From Austin's Twitter account (http://twitter.com/#!/steveaustinBSR/status/4063474959257600)...

"i dont know the criteria for the WWE top 50 list...but i disagree with 85% of it."
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65


God Bless you, Steve for keeping it real.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Where's Tazz!? He was undefeated in ECW for ten years!



ROTFLMAO!!!!
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91

Of course, no Benoit.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.45
I have no problem at all with Shawn Michaels being #1, in fact I was pleasantly surprised.

While the ranking order may be off, I don't see any big omissions.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by dwaters
    I have no problem at all with Shawn Michaels being #1, in fact I was pleasantly surprised.

    While the ranking order may be off, I don't see any big omissions.






Pedro Morales had a multi year run on top as a world champion with subsequent tag and I-C title reigns. And, I'll take Ivan Koloff's body of work over the Iron Sheik's.
dMr
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.10
    Originally posted by lotjx
    We also don't know what the criteria is

Thus making debating the 'accuracy' of the list all the more worthwhile!
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    From Austin's Twitter account:

    "i dont know the criteria for the WWE top 50 list...but i disagree with 85% of it."

At least he agrees with the ranking of 7.5 people!

    Originally posted by Cubs
    The criteria of the list was "hey, wouldn't it be funny if we put Rey Misterio and Andre the Giant right next to each other?" That is the criteria of the list.

Yes.

    Originally posted by Shapiro
    It's just a crazy list to put out a DVD

YES.

(edited by dMr on 15.11.10 1654)
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown

    Of course, no Benoit.


Who? Never existed. He isn't on a DVD released in the past 3 years. Just like the NFL would omit OJ from a top 50 running backs of all time list.

Oh, wait...



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.01
Complaining about Benoit's exclusion? Seriously?
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.97


    Originally posted by lotjx
    Hmm..Piper/Bret for the IC title at Mania, Piper/Goldust, Piper giving a hell of a promo on Hogan as well as a good match plus storyline at the start of the NWO. Most recently, his promo on Jericho about The Wrestler was pretty fucking moving. You want overrated wrestler of all time, Piper is not it. I am sure you can five guys more overrated then Piper just on that list alone.


I'm aware of the early pre WWE stuff, and you are right it is solid. I just don't find most of his good stuff good enough to out weigh the bombs that he has been apart of as the years go on.

Maybe 'most over rated' was a bit too harsh, since his Piper's Pit stuff is legendary on it's own. I just never got into face/tweener Piper and the later stuff was just trainwreck bad more often than not. If you want to cherry pick certain promos there's been a few. His feuds? I'll give you Hart, but Golddust or Early nWo I'll pass on. He's done more harm to his 'legacy' than most of the guys on this list with his constant comebacks, the WCW run was especially damaging.

So, now that I think about it I'll split the difference and give Early Piper his due, but you can keep most of 90's Piper and beyond.






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