Originally posted by DrDirtBert is running out of time and really needs to be in there. Blyleven was a standout player on some really awful teams. I know he wont make it but I loved watching him pitch.
Is this where we start the Burt vs Jack Morris debate again?
Honestly, this is one of those years when they shouldn't induct anyone. Everyone on this list (except Big Mac and maybe Goose) is at best the definition of a borderline HOF player, and I'm of the mindset that there should be fewer of these kinds of players in the Hall, not more of them.
Maybe induct McGwire, Gossage and then bring in a few of the major Japanese stars to spark some interest in this year's ceremony.
Originally posted by pieman Sadly, way too many writers who vote think like Eddie. :(
First the voting writers, then the world!
Nolan Ryan had winning records for lousy Angels teams in the 70's, while Tommy John was on a much better Dodger team, so I totally discount the comparison in win-loss record there.
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Originally posted by StaggerLeeNo, Morris is the better pitcher.
By what possible measure are you judging this?
Wins: 287 to 254 K's: 3701 to 2478 ERA: 3.31 to 3.90 ERA+: 118 to 105 Postseason ERA: 2.47 to 3.80
By the means of I loved watching him pitch as a kid and he dominated that world series game, and he never said Fuck on TV.
Burt has better stats, hands down. But, I'd rather see Morris in, because to me he was a more dominant pitcher.
I loved Jack Morris growing up. The World Series Game 7 was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
Honestly, I could see an argument for Morris. In an era where 300 wins is becoming less and less likely, 250 doesn't look that bad. That ERA is ugly though. And I guess I just have trouble seeing a guy as consistently dominant when he never leads the league a single year in ERA, K's, or wins a Cy Young.
In related news, a (once again) revamped veteran's committee for umpires and executives finally broke the logjam, and sent 5 new names into the Hall:
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Former commissioner Bowie Kuhn was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame by the revamped Veterans Committee on Monday while his longtime adversary, players' union boss Marvin Miller, was left out for the second time this year.
Former Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley, managers Dick Williams and Billy Southworth and ex-Pirates owner Barney Dreyfuss also were elected.
Williams, the only living candidate chosen, said he and his wife, Norma, broke down and cried when they got the call on Monday morning.
"It just blew our mind," said Williams, who made his debut with the "Impossible Dream" Red Sox in 1967 and went on to win the 1972 and '73 World Series with the Oakland Athletics. "Under the (voting) regime they had previously ... I didn't think anybody would get there."
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No objections to anyone in the group, and nice to see managers getting chances to be enshrined again. I wonder if O'Malley goes in more for hiring Branch Rickey than anything. Marvin Miller was probably the most deserving of the names considered, and he got only 3 of 12 votes.
Originally posted by TheOldManNo objections to anyone in the group
Baseball's not the only sport that has this problem, but not every commissioner deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. 4 of the first 5 baseball commissioners are now in the Hall of Fame. I don't know enough about Bowie Kuhn to make a decision as to whether he is deserving or not, but from what little I can tell from reading his wikipedia article, I would lean towards no.