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It's not even Saturday yet and we've already had some great games so far.

On Thursday, #11 USC demolished #6 ASU 44-24.

On Friday, Texas A&M upset #13 Texas 38-30.

And #1 LSU is DONE in 3OT's! Arkansas wins 50-48 in Triple Overtime after an LSU 2-pt conversion ends in an INT.

Suddenly, #2 Kansas/#4 Missouri becomes absolute Must-See TV this Saturday. Winner goes into the Top 2, loser drops. I haven't been this excited about NCAA Football in years.

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Man, McFadden is going to be a great fit on the Patriots next year.
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Unreal. What a crazy season. According to the guys at work, Texas losing doesn't actually knock them out of the Big 12 title game yet. If Oklahoma State beats OU tomorrow it creates a three way tie that Texas would come out on top of. So the Kansas/Missouri winner still could face either team.

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The way this season is going, I'm waiting for Ohio State to have to forfeit a game for using an ineligible player. Just because you aren't playing doesn't mean you can't lose.
Can West Virginia handle prosperity? No one else has, so watch them lose to that strategic genius Wannestadt's team next weekend.
If West Virginia loses and the winner of the Big XII South wins the Big XII, a 2-loss Georgia that doesn't win its own division is very much in play for a national title. And, if so, does that mean the Trojans are alive if they win the Pac-10?
Does the Oklahoma team from a few years ago set precedent, where they lost the conference title game yet still played for the BCS Title? If so, the potential is there for Kansas to lose to either Missouri or Oklahoma yet be 1 of only 2 1-loss BCS Conference teams should games break in a certain manner.
Is Les Miles still with LSU when they go to the SEC Title Game at this point? From BCS Title game to playing for a shot to face Hawaii or Boise State in the Sugar Bowl. That is as far a drop as you might ever see.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Unreal. What a crazy season. According to the guys at work, Texas losing doesn't actually knock them out of the Big 12 title game yet. If Oklahoma State beats OU tomorrow it creates a three way tie that Texas would come out on top of. So the Kansas/Missouri winner still could face either team.




Maybe. If OU loses, the team that is ranked higher in the BCS will get the slot in the Big 12 title game.

As far as coaching goes, Dennis Franchione accepted a buyout at A&M after the win, and everyone seems to think that Bill Callahan just ended his tenure at Nebraska with a 65-51 loss to Colorado (!)

Step up West Virginia/UConn and Mizzou/Kansas, you can make this season even more absurd, and would you have ever expected to come out with that statement in any sport other than basketball?



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Yeah in reading it seems Texas doesn't have a shot after all unless the voters go crazy and drop OU below Texas in the last rankings. Step three in their process is kinda why:

"The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish 4, 5 and 6."

Problem is Texas A&M and Tech would be tied at 4-4, and the Big 12 has said they won't use tiebreaker rules to decide which team is really fourth and which is fifth. If they did, Tech would be fourth and it would eliminate OU from any further consideration from what I understand. Since that ain' happening, it's OU vs Kansas/Missouri.
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According to The Big 12 site:

Oklahoma clinches the South if they beat State.

If OSU beats OU, Texas has lost to A&M, all three would be in a 5-3 tie.

First tiebreak is head-to-head and all three are 1-1 against each other.
Second tiebreak is record against all other teams from within the division and all three have 3-2 records against the South
Third tiebreak would be records against the 4th place team in the division, where Tech and A&M would be tied at 4-4 and 3-2 in the division.

OU, UT, and OSU are all 1-1 against them, Baylor is in the final place in the south, and all three beat Baylor.

The next tiebreak is common opponents from the North, which none have in common.

The next tiebreak is to use the BCS standings. Highest ranked team advances.



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Let me try and make sense of the BCS national championship:

- The two teams in control of their fate at the moment are West Virginia and whoever wins the Border War (Kansas/Missouri) tomorrow. As long as each of those teams wins out, they will make the BCS championship. For WVU, they face UConn to decide the Big East title, followed by Pitt in the Backyard Brawl, both at home; for Kansas/Mizzou, it's a trip to San Antonio for the Big 12 title against (in all likelihood) Oklahoma.

- If one of those teams fails, the beneficiary would be Ohio State, which is finished with its season and thus would have no reason to drop in the rankings.

- If both those teams fail, then it gets very interesting. Arizona State is out of the running by virtue of getting its ass kicked by USC yesterday. The next teams in line after that would be Georgia & Virginia Tech, both of which have two losses. Should Kansas lose the Border War, at 11-1 with their season finished, it'd be tough for the voters to justify dropping them behind those two-loss teams, meaning they could very well sneak into the championship via the back door. At the same time, it's also very tough to justify dropping LSU behind (at least) Georgia if LSU wins the SEC title, regardless of who they play, so even the Tigers still have a shot to get in if the pieces fall right.

In summary: What a mess!



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.07
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Man, McFadden is going to be a great fit on the Patriots next year.


He just locked up the Heisman after that game.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Man, McFadden is going to be a great fit on the Patriots next year.


    He just locked up the Heisman after that game.


Yeah, no. All McFadden did was secure his invite to watch Tebow win the award in person. Remember I'm an FSU guy so saying this is painful, but it's Tebow no question a the moment.

Z: What I was saying about the Big 12 is that if they used a tiebreaker to determine which team was really fourth, that third step would only compare Texas, OSU and OU's records vs Texas Tech. OU, having lost to Tech, would be eliminated from any further steps in the consideration process thus giving the shot to Texas.

but again, since the big 12 won't break that fourth place tie it's moot. OU wins even if they lose.

(edited by wmatistic on 24.11.07 0651)
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And, just to make things more interesting, Hawaii beat Boise St. 39-27 to move to 11-0. 15th in the rankings, the magic number is 12. As in, if they beat Washington next week and move to 12-0, they should move up to 12 in the BCS, and a slot in one of the BCS games. Hell, they way this season is going, why not 13-0 Kansas vs. 12-0 Hawaii in the BCS title game? I know it'll never happen, but it would be a fitting cap to this season, wouldn't it?



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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Yeah, no. All McFadden did was secure his invite to watch Tebow win the award in person. Remember I'm an FSU guy so saying this is painful, but it's Tebow no question a the moment.

I agree with you that Tebow is probably still the frontrunner but I disagree that there's "no question" he's gonna win. For starters, he's a sophomore, and Heismen voters tend to favor older players over younger. No freshman or sophomore player has EVER won the award. Remember the year Larry Fitzgerald was up for the award as a sophomore and lost out to Jason White? Or when Adrian Peterson was up for the award as a freshman and lost out to Matt Leinart? SOME people can make a good argument for Leinart in the latter situation (I am not one of them, that was complete garbage) but the only argument people could make for White in the former situation is that sophomores don't win the Heisman. So yeah, I'd say there's still some doubt.

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In any other year, I wouldn't give Tebow a chance as a sophomore, but this year NO ONE has stood apart EXCEPT for Tebow.

If a sophomore ever deserved it, it is this year.

(edited by Jobberman on 24.11.07 1419)
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      Yeah, no. All McFadden did was secure his invite to watch Tebow win the award in person. Remember I'm an FSU guy so saying this is painful, but it's Tebow no question a the moment.

    I agree with you that Tebow is probably still the frontrunner but I disagree that there's "no question" he's gonna win. For starters, he's a sophomore, and Heismen voters tend to favor older players over younger. No freshman or sophomore player has EVER won the award. Remember the year Larry Fitzgerald was up for the award as a sophomore and lost out to Jason White? Or when Adrian Peterson was up for the award as a freshman and lost out to Matt Leinart? SOME people can make a good argument for Leinart in the latter situation (I am not one of them, that was complete garbage) but the only argument people could make for White in the former situation is that sophomores don't win the Heisman. So yeah, I'd say there's still some doubt.

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I think as was said this year is kinda different and voters have had much more reluctance to vote for freshman than they have sophomores. In fact McFadden was second last year as a sophomore so I wouldn't consider Tebow being that young to be a factor in any way this season. I don't buy that Fitzgerald lost because he was a soph, I think it was much more of a lack of national recognition overall at the time. Everyone saw White play every week, not so with Larry. And Leinart was a fine choice I thought. Could have gone either way, but certainly not garbage. Though yes in that case being a freshman likely made the difference.

Also as to Hawaii, I thought top 14 was all they needed for a BCS game? Can't recall exactly. And I'm pretty sure the NCAA made a rule very quietly a few weeks ago that said if they can't fill the BCS spots from the current pool, they would expand it to like the top 17 or something.

(edited by wmatistic on 24.11.07 1210)
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Also as to Hawaii, I thought top 14 was all they needed for a BCS game? Can't recall exactly.

As with any Division I-A team, Hawaii will be eligible for at-large selection to the BCS with a top-14 finish. However, as the champion of a non-BCS conference, Hawaii can qualify for automatic selection to the BCS with either a top-12 finish, or a finish from 13-16 provided that one of the BCS conference champions finishes behind them (which will likely be almost impossible unless Connecticut beats West Virginia today and doesn't get a lot of bounce in the rankings from it).

    Originally posted by wmatistic
    And I'm pretty sure the NCAA made a rule very quietly a few weeks ago that said if they can't fill the BCS spots from the current pool, they would expand it to like the top 17 or something.

You're right, but the rule is expansion to the top 18, and onward like that (opening up four additional places per expansion) until the games are filled. They barely added that just a week ago.

It's a sign that the two-team-per-conference rule lords over everything, which makes the Border War even more important because the loser could potentially be squeezed out of the BCS if the winner loses the Big 12 title game. It also means that Hawaii is almost sure to get in regardless of what happens (provided they beat Washington next week to stay in their current tier).



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    Originally posted by Jobberman
    In any other year, I wouldn't give Tebow a chance as a sophomore, but this year NO ONE has stood apart EXCEPT for Tebow.

    If a sophomore ever deserved it, it is this year.

    (edited by Jobberman on 24.11.07 1419)

I completely disagree. Dennis Dixon has stood apart plenty. Matt Ryan stood apart plenty, until his season started to fall apart. And I'm not that big on the McFadden bandwagon but apparently half the country IS.

In addition to his talent, the thing about Tebow is that he's in the SEC (which gives him instant credibility and national prominence), and he was an important player on last year's national championship team. Don't get me wrong, I've been very impressed with him all season. But if he stands apart from the other candidates, it's largely due to the ridiculous amount of hype surrounding him.

And if there was ever a sophomore that deserved the Heisman, it was Larry Fitzgerald. If you didn't watch him play that season, look for some clips on YouTube or something. Every time the Panthers got into the redzone, Rod Rutherford would throw a fade to Fitzgerald without any thought. Double coverage, triple coverage, whatever. Sometimes he wouldn't even try to throw a real pass, just whatever duck he could get out of his hands quickest. But I digress...
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    In fact McFadden was second last year as a sophomore so I wouldn't consider Tebow being that young to be a factor in any way this season. I don't buy that Fitzgerald lost because he was a soph, I think it was much more of a lack of national recognition overall at the time. Everyone saw White play every week, not so with Larry.

Fitzgerald was also second his year, and Peterson second his year. My point was that because of their inexperience, voters will readily put them SECOND on their ballots but hardly ever FIRST. So if you're arguing that sophomores finishing second place proves the voters would be willing to give them the Heisman, I'm going to have to disagree (although I will agree with you that the unwillingness for freshmen is even greater).

I'm gonna have to also disagree with you on why Fitzgerald lost. He was an absolute freak that year. He was the WR equivalent to what Peterson was his freshman year and, dare I say it, what Charles Woodson was whene he won the Heisman. I lived nowhere near Big East country that year but I saw him play numerous times. Pittsburgh was ranked for a good part of that year and was playing on national TV on a regular basis. True, they weren't ever contending for a national championship like Oklahoma was, but everyone knew who Fitzgerald was.

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I completely disagree. Dennis Dixon has stood apart plenty.

If I had a Heisman vote, it'd be for Dixon, for two reasons: 1) His level of play while he was out there was among the best of any quarterback in the country. 2) Oregon's gone completely into the tank without him, which says a lot of what his value was to the team, and that's a big part of what the Heisman is supposed to be, IMO.



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Dixon did stand apart, I'll agree. Matt Ryan did not however in my view. The media wanted him to, but he really didn't.

Tebow only stands apart due to the hype? Now you're just being silly. How many other candidates can match his stats? Can even COME CLOSE??? Over 20 rushing TD's???? Around 30 passing???? Dixon stood out sure, but he couldn't touch Tebow at this point. It's not even close anymore with five more from Tebow tonight. To deny he's the best athlete at this point is to just be a hater. I couldn't even get mad at how bad my team got beat by him tonight, it was more a jesus the kid is a freak and I've got to deal with this two more times???

You're remembering wrong about Larry. Yes, he was a freak but no he really didn't get that much national exposure. Even on a decent team. I would equate it to the exposure the QB's for Kansas and Missouri have gotten. Enough to where you know their names, but how many times did most people actually see them play apart from tonight? Yeah, almost never. Pittsburg was on national tv about as much as those two, which is to say it was more regional play where another better game could be found and was by most people. It had little if nothing to do with his age. White put up crazy numbers for a national title contender that was seen and talked about every day by all college football fans. Larry played for an ok team some people watched but most didn't. Complain about the system all you want, cause I don't like how they vote either, but to say he lost because he was a sophomore is completely incorrect. Charles Johnson is further proof if you need it as he was a freak too for a team in similar situation and never had a shot because of it, no matter his age.

(edited by wmatistic on 24.11.07 1745)
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LSU plays in a multi-overtime thriller, and I'm stuck on a plane in Phoenix.
Tennessee plays in a multi-overtime thriller, and I'm stuck on a bus heading to the Apple Cup.

Aargh.

After Ohio State lost to Illinois earlier this month, I sent an email to my buddy listing all of the things that needed to happen for Ohio State to get back to the BCS title game, including needing LSU and Oregon to lose and Oklahoma losing a game, but winning the Big 12. It was mostly tongue-in-cheek, mostly to cheer myself up. I cannot believe I'm one Big 12 Championship game from THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

Ohio State playing West Virginia or Missouri may be dull and boring to all of you, but I'm loving it, especially considering OSU would be playing for a national title in what everyone expected to be a rebuilding year.

As far as the Heisman talk, it's going to come down to Tebow and Chase Daniels, especially if Missouri's playing for the national title. Dixon will get an invite, because of what he's meant to that team, and Colt Brennan will get in for the numbers. Tebow's gonna win it, but he's going to win it by default because of Dixon's injury.



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Yeah after that game last night where he went 40 of 49, if Daniel can play like that against OU and get to the title game one would think he'd at least make it a close vote with Tebow. He played himself into contention at least. After seeing Texas Tech take down OU and Mizzou get better as the year has gone on, I don't know if I'm crazy but I think they can pull this off. We'll see.
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