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Why does Sarah dream about being in a miniskirt? Isn't that my job?

Interesting that we didn't get anybody excited enough about this show to start a thread about it. I spent pretty much the whole hour thinking "why aren't they MORPHING?" It also kinda looks like they want us to pretend T3 didn't happen, which I could grudgingly go along with. Finally, when they show up in 2007, does that mean they were totally plucked out of time and they won't bump into themselves eight years older at any point during the....you know, I'm not even going to think about the time travel thing. I had enough problems with temporal mechanics in the Star Trek universe to know that it isn't even worth starting down that road. (YOU can feel free, though!)

I guess my MAIN problem is its scheduled time of Monday at 9/8 - that goes up against hour one of RAW and RAW will probably still win with me. I mean, it ain't "24" or anything. I'll probably DVR tonight's ep and then give up on it (unless I'm TOTALLY sucked in - given last night's show, I give that about a 25% chance).



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Nice to see what Summer is doing after her stint on "The Unit". I thought it was okay, but the whole 'fugitive from unstoppable robots' vibe may get kinda old on a week to week basis. Since the Terminators can't win, right?

Hey - don't leave out Shapey McShifterson from T2 - Robert Patrick! They seemed to pick up the continuity from there. Maybe Skynet has a job placement system for older models?




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According to what I read about this show, it's supposed to take place in between T2 and T3. And that's when I decided I was reading too much of the internet.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    According to what I read about this show, it's supposed to take place in between T2 and T3. And that's when I decided I was reading too much of the internet.
I had read that too, so I did wonder why at least the Terminator out to get JC wasn't liquid metal. I liked it, didn't love it, but since I was always a big fan of T2, I enjoyed it enough. It might be kinda cool if they have different Terminators every week, so everyone can play "guess who the bad Terminator is"...
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I'm hoping we DON'T just get Terminator Of The Week shenanigans. That vibe gets old fast -- despite never really running unless chasing a car, terminators are pretty quick to act and don't really stalk their prey much, as we saw with the substitute teacher that flat out opened fire the instant he had a target. Plus, logically, every time they get "found" they have to move to a new location and set up again, which gets tedious and repetitive.

Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be what they're shooting for. The characters phrased it themselves; "no more running" and implying that they're going to be able to settle in one place and get some serious counter-robot-terrorism going on. If they can make a good ongoing action/mystery/whatever serial like Heroes, that'll work. If they just repeat the plot to T2 over and over again, that won't work.

Speaking of Heroes... putting this opposite both Heroes AND Raw. Ratings suicide or a bold attempt to undercut the geek masses for dollars? I'm just glad my Tivo has two tuners (and that I gave up on Raw awhile ago).

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Twoflower
    Speaking of Heroes... putting this opposite both Heroes AND Raw. Ratings suicide or a bold attempt to undercut the geek masses for dollars? I'm just glad my Tivo has two tuners (and that I gave up on Raw awhile ago).

Yeah, but thanks to the strike, it won't have new Heroes episodes to contend with during its initial run, so no problem there.

I missed the first episode (and forgot to record it), so Fox's nonstop ads apparently had no effect on me. I will record the rest and try to catch the first hour somewhere. iTunes maybe?



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#7 Posted on
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    According to what I read about this show, it's supposed to take place in between T2 and T3. And that's when I decided I was reading too much of the internet.


According to this article, IGN (tv.ign.com), SCC takes place in a different timeline than T3. It seems like the movie timeline will be different, with T4 following T3 and SCC totally separate. And I don't know if it is confirmed, but IMDb has Christian Bale rumored to play John Connor in T4 (also rumored to be the beginning of a new trilogy).

And Z, I think Sarah was in her waitress uniform in the dream sequence, but it was still nice to see.



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Why did the Terminator need John to identify himself during roll call? If he's from the future, don't they have pictures from back in the 90s of what he looked like as a 15-year-old boy?





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I had to calibrate the timeline in my head while watching: This series takes place after T2. Terminator 1 took place in 1984. John Connor was born in 1985 presumably. T2 took place when John was about 10-11, which sets T2 at around 1995-1996 (despite John's 1990-circa Public Enemy shirt.) The original Judgment Day they prevented in T2 was of course August 29, 1997. This means, John is 14 when The Sarah Connor Chronicles begins.

My main problem with the series so far is the kid playing John Connor. He's a whiny douche, which makes him more akin to the self-loathing burnout version of John Nick Stahl played in T3. But John Connor should really be only 3-4 years or so removed from the version Edward Furlong played. That John Connor was more smart alecky, but resourceful and brave. Casting Claire's gay friend from Heroes season 1 as John Connor was the wrong choice. This kid is gonna save the world? He's a douche. I have trouble not wanting to punch him in the face, much less root for him to survive being killed by robots. And what's with his stupid emo hairdo, which is completely age inappropriate for him. Given the forward time travel in the pilot from 1999 to present day, John should be a 90's anachronism out of his time. He shouldn't look like he's immediately at home at a Good Charlotte concert.

Furthermore, after what happened to him and losing his best friend/father figure/Terminator just two years ago in his own memory, I don't know, I'd expect John to be different from the experience than how the series portrays him. I wanted him to be an older version of that rebellious little asskicker Edward Furlong played and not a younger, emo version of the Nick Stahl Connor.

But then I stare at Summer Glau and everything is okay...

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    Originally posted by The Big Kat
    According to this article, IGN (tv.ign.com), SCC takes place in a different timeline than T3. It seems like the movie timeline will be different, with T4 following T3 and SCC totally separate.


I don't even know what question I need to ask to have all of this made clear to me. Are these entirely different "universes" that have little connection to each other (aside from some connection to T2)? Is the screwed up timeline a part of the story?

I gave this show about 30 minutes before giving up. Throwing out an entire film from a franchise - a film on which you are planning more films - just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only saving grace (for me) is if the screwed up timeline somehow plays a factor in a story. But, somehow, I think that MIGHT be more trouble than it is worth.

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They didn't "throw out a film" they simply made a television show in between two movies. Nobody has acted like T3 didn't exist. They simply decided to base their television show on the most popular of the three movies. Why would they base a television show on a $150 million movie over a movie that made $200 million?

As for its "competition" like SchippeWreck said there is no Heroes to oppose it and obviously if the strike wasn't going on it wouldn't be on that time slot since that is 24's time slot. It was originally slated for Sunday Night's like the premiere but was moved when they decided 24 wasn't happening. If it returns next season then it probably either moves nights or time slots since 24 will be back.

As for Raw, well the debut got a 7.6 so people were definitely at least interested. I don't think Raw will be a problem on its own.

I don't like the douche from Heroes but the rest of the cast is really good. It beats watching Jericho feud with a retired announcer and Hornswoggle run around in circles.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
When, and if, 24 returns, we might have quite a bottleneck with Heroes, Raw, and Sarah Connor.

I saw some potential last night, but wasn't thrilled with the casting of the "good" Terminator. I have no problems with her being a woman, but I do have problems with her being a bad actress.




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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Finally, when they show up in 2007, does that mean they were totally plucked out of time and they won't bump into themselves eight years older at any point during the....you know, I'm not even going to think about the time travel thing. I had enough problems with temporal mechanics in the Star Trek universe to know that it isn't even worth starting down that road. (YOU can feel free, though!)


The one thing I hated about Back to the Future 2 was the whole point that Marty could go forward in time and meet himself. I wrote a bunch of short stories in my high school creative writing class that involved time travel and I set up one rule because of BttF2. If one goes forward in time, they can not "meet" themselves.

The rule is based on the theory (since this is ALL theory) that if one is going from 1999 to 2007 in an instant, to the rest of the world one has been missing for 8 years. One has been plucked from the timeline and inserted somewhere else in it.

I know there wouldn't have been much of a story, but if I was writing BttF2, Doc would have gone into the future a seen how Marty was, and his kids, rushed back in time to fetch Marty and then went Back to the Future and discovered that they are in an alternate future where Marty has been missing for 20 odd years.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    The one thing I hated about Back to the Future 2 was the whole point that Marty could go forward in time and meet himself. I wrote a bunch of short stories in my high school creative writing class that involved time travel and I set up one rule because of BttF2. If one goes forward in time, they can not "meet" themselves.

    The rule is based on the theory (since this is ALL theory) that if one is going from 1999 to 2007 in an instant, to the rest of the world one has been missing for 8 years. One has been plucked from the timeline and inserted somewhere else in it.

    I know there wouldn't have been much of a story, but if I was writing BttF2, Doc would have gone into the future a seen how Marty was, and his kids, rushed back in time to fetch Marty and then went Back to the Future and discovered that they are in an alternate future where Marty has been missing for 20 odd years.

The funny thing is, the original BttF uses this science during the demonstration with Einstein. They just threw it out in the sequel so they could write wacky future gags. A lot of the time travel theory in the sequels is based on assumptions. OldMarty exists in the future because it is assumed that at some point YoungMarty returns from his trip to the future. But for that to be true, the future would already be fixed when he got there. Mmmm...paradox.

I still like the Timecop theory of "You can't travel to the future because it hasn't happened yet."

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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Why did the Terminator need John to identify himself during roll call? If he's from the future, don't they have pictures from back in the 90s of what he looked like as a 15-year-old boy?


Remember that, in the future, there is a nuclear holocaust. That wiped out most of the data about the past.

In the first film, the Terminator kills two other Sarah Connors before getting to the one he wants.

    Originally posted by Reese, Sergeant, TechComm, BN38146
    Most of the records were lost in the war. Skynet knew almost nothing about Connor's mother. Her full name, where she lived. They just knew the city. That Terminator was just being systematic.


I imagine most of that can also apply to John.



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Part two went a long way to clearing up some of the 'rules' they look like they'll be using. Only the Terminator that came through with them is expressly after John. Any other ones they come across are not looking for John, but if they find out who/where he is, they'll come after him.

I can buy that. That leaves us with avoiding the Terminator, not revealing themselves to other Terminators, and finding/destroying Skynet. This can work.

As long as dumbass John doesn't go break into a house of a guy who can easily identify him. What the hell was that all about?




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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      The one thing I hated about Back to the Future 2 was the whole point that Marty could go forward in time and meet himself. I wrote a bunch of short stories in my high school creative writing class that involved time travel and I set up one rule because of BttF2. If one goes forward in time, they can not "meet" themselves.

      The rule is based on the theory (since this is ALL theory) that if one is going from 1999 to 2007 in an instant, to the rest of the world one has been missing for 8 years. One has been plucked from the timeline and inserted somewhere else in it.

      I know there wouldn't have been much of a story, but if I was writing BttF2, Doc would have gone into the future a seen how Marty was, and his kids, rushed back in time to fetch Marty and then went Back to the Future and discovered that they are in an alternate future where Marty has been missing for 20 odd years.

    The funny thing is, the original BttF uses this science during the demonstration with Einstein. They just threw it out in the sequel so they could write wacky future gags. A lot of the time travel theory in the sequels is based on assumptions. OldMarty exists in the future because it is assumed that at some point YoungMarty returns from his trip to the future. But for that to be true, the future would already be fixed when he got there. Mmmm...paradox.

    I still like the Timecop theory of "You can't travel to the future because it hasn't happened yet."

    (edited by SchippeWreck on 14.1.08 1543)


Yeah, not to be nerb, but - if we can pretend that this is all based in fact - then traveling to the "future" is really travelling to a parallel universe where the Big Bang occurred later than in the traveller's "original" universe.

So, if Doc Brown travels 30 years into the future, here's really going to another universe that is - spatially - at the same point in the space-time continuum, but has spotted his original universe a 30-year head start ... Forget it, I'm not smart enough to try and put this into words.





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*Puts nerd glasses on*

I missed the show...ugh. So wanted to catch this sense I'm have totally love the Terminator movie series.

Terminator Timeline simplified.




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    In a June 20, 2007 interview, Friedman said the show will avoid the "Terminator of the Week" plot device and that Sarah, John, and Cameron will have other threats than just Terminators. Skynet will also come into play as the series progresses. Furthermore, Friedman stated that the events of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines occur in an alternate timeline from that of the TV series. In addition to having planned the entire story arc for the first season, Friedman has a rough idea for the plot of the following three seasons.


Yes its different timeline. Just like Alessandro was trying to point out with "Back to the Future" anology. When Biff became rich after getting the sports almanac it altered the 1985 that Doc and Marty knew as 1985. So, basically, what this series implies as some of the previews even said, "We changed the future but didn't change it enough."




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    Originally posted by jwrestle
    *Puts nerd glasses on*

    I missed the show...ugh. So wanted to catch this sense I'm have totally love the Terminator movie series.

    Terminator Timeline simplified.







Ugh. Terminator Timeline "simplified"? My head was going to explode. This kind of stuff exemplifies some of the worst of sci-fi. Terminator might even be worse than Highlander now for contradictory, fucked up, alternate timelines.

I simplified Terminator for myself: Everything bearing the name "Terminator" not created by James Cameron is fan-fiction at best and a cash grab from the franchise at worst. That includes Terminator 3 and The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I enjoyed the former for the most part and have so far tolerated and have interest in the latter, but I'm not going to attempt to justify "multiple timelines." Thank God I didn't read those Terminator comic books because that would piss me off even more. (Although to be fair, I had friends in high school who swore by the Dark Horse Terminator comics. They just never interested me.)

By the way, there is an "official" sequel to Terminator 2, and that's Terminator 2 3D at Universal Studios Florida. What a fun ride that was! Directed and conceived by James Cameron, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, the REAL T-800 and the REAL John Connor, complete with that Public Enemy shirt I love. Plus it has the same awesome action and same goofy humor of T1 and T2. I'll be seeing it again in March when I'm in Orlando for WrestleMania.

To recap: "Canon" Terminator (to me): The Terminator, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Terminator 2 3D.

Non-canon fan fiction cash grabs: Terminator 3, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins (what genius crapped out THAT ungainly title?), all those damn comic books.





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All this reminds me of Enterprise and how it technically is in an alternate timeline because of the effects of Star Trek: First Contact and the surviving Borg buried in the Arctic. The Temporal Cold War helps skew it a bit as well.

So, as I understand it from the first two episodes, the events of the 3rd movie prompted John to send the new teen terminator to send them forward in time a bit.

I had seen that Terminator Timeline before and it makes sense to me. With every movie, after the first, or comic book, they skew the timeline more and more and hopefully they will "fix" what needs to be fixed so Skynet is never put on-line or to make sure it doesn't become self-aware.


I doubt anyone will see this edit, but Timecop was just on USA and regarding their "You can't go to the future because it hasn't happened yet" thing, how to the agents to back to their present which is in their current future...which supposedly hasn't happened yet?




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