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Paul Tagliabue has said that he wants to have an NFL back in the nation's 2nd largest TV market by 2008.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ nfl/news/story?id=1809392

I hope that they don't expand to a 33rd team. I really like the sense of balance that the 32 teams now give. Adding another team would just fuck it all up.




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Well, given the option between having a 33rd NFL team or losing the Colts to L.A... bring on the motherfuckin' expansion team.

On the other hand, if the Chargers moved to L.A., that'd be OK with me. It'd probably be OK for the Chargers' disenchanted fans, too.



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I think tihs problem can be solved with three words:

Los Angeles Cardinals.

The NFL gets the team that they want, the Cardinals most likely get a new ownership group with half a chance that they MAY run it better than the Bidwells, and no one with the exception of Super Shane Spear notices they left Phoenix. Except for him, in this scenario everyone's a winner!



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The moving of the Chargers or Cardinals franchises seem to make the most sense for two reasons:

1.) They are already out West, so the whole realignmet thing is still in place.
2.) They seem to have the poorest fan bases right now anyway. But of course that could change in couple of years if they start winning games.

But the name "Los Angeles Cardinals" just doesn't have the "zing" of a bad-ass football team, but then again, neither does the "Arizona Cardinals".




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    I think tihs problem can be solved with three words:

    Los Angeles Cardinals.


Won't happen. I believe the Cards are due to have a new stadium in Phoenix in 2006, in spite of the low crowds they've been getting. Although I attribute a LOT of the low crowds to those horrible metal benches they have as seats, which don't mix well in the hot Arizona sun.

Ironically, Tagliabue wants the NFL back in L.A. by 2008, the year the Cardinals are hosting the Super Bowl.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by MARTYEWR
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      I think tihs problem can be solved with three words:

      Los Angeles Cardinals.


    Won't happen. I believe the Cards are due to have a new stadium in Phoenix in 2006, in spite of the low crowds they've been getting. Although I attribute a LOT of the low crowds to those horrible metal benches they have as seats, which don't mix well in the hot Arizona sun.

    Ironically, Tagliabue wants the NFL back in L.A. by 2008, the year the Cardinals are hosting the Super Bowl.


I would attribute the low crowds to the fact that they are being asked to watch the Cardinals! But perhaps that is just me.



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Cardinals are not going anywhere, period.

I would say that the Saints, Vikings, Colts and Chargers are the most likely candidates here.

I still think that by the ened of the decade at least three of them will have moved and we'll see a team in LA, a team in San Antonio, anda team in (fill in the blank).



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(Please excuse all spelling errors, the spell check is broke, probably due to the server crash)

[scarcasm] Great, L.A. can lose a 4th team [/scarsam]

I REALLY hope they relocate like others have said. The 32 team league is great. Four team divisions, Four divisions a conf.

Just to expand on Grimis's suggestions, which are all likely.

Cards. Really low attendence, but every team there has their own new stadium except them @ Sun Devil Stadium. Cards get a spanky new stadium, but it would still be like shining shit. Tillman probably sparked a new interest the team in a round about way, and they have the greatest coach (out side of Gibbs) that didn't have a job. I say they turn around in less then 3 years and probably just miss the playoffs in year 3. If it all goes downhill, they will be in L.A. in '08

Saints. There is a big to-do about the superdome. If the Saints can't get a new stadium, or the terms that they want, I can't see why they shouldn't move to L.A. Their name might have to change, like the Tennessee Oilers did, because The L.A. Saints sounds like the little prissy brothers of the Oakland Raiders.

Colts. "Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay, who is involved in discussions with community and state leaders about improvements in the Colts' situation, said he was confident of working out a new deal to remain in Indiana." said ESPN.com. There have been rumors that they want to move back to L.A. The Irsay's got the Colts when they traded the Rams for them.

Chargers. I vaguly remember reading that they were suing or the city were suing them over a stadium flap. This would be a good chance for them to jump back home to L.A. where they started.

(edited by Zeruel on 26.5.04 1226)



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by ges7184
      Originally posted by MARTYEWR
        Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
        I think tihs problem can be solved with three words:

        Los Angeles Cardinals.


      Won't happen. I believe the Cards are due to have a new stadium in Phoenix in 2006, in spite of the low crowds they've been getting. Although I attribute a LOT of the low crowds to those horrible metal benches they have as seats, which don't mix well in the hot Arizona sun.

      Ironically, Tagliabue wants the NFL back in L.A. by 2008, the year the Cardinals are hosting the Super Bowl.


    I would attribute the low crowds to the fact that they are being asked to watch the Cardinals! But perhaps that is just me.


Being a bad team doesn't help attendance, but most of the time, a bad team in the NFL draws in the 40,000 to 50,000 range. The Cardinals quite often have had lower than 25,000 people, which is lower than CFL crowds. I attribute those level of crowds to: Bad team + Stadium with seats that make your ass burn.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Colts. "Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay, who is involved in discussions with community and state leaders about improvements in the Colts' situation, said he was confident of working out a new deal to remain in Indiana." said ESPN.com.
Gee, where I have heard that before...

If Irsay the younger said that, they're leaving.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      Colts. "Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay, who is involved in discussions with community and state leaders about improvements in the Colts' situation, said he was confident of working out a new deal to remain in Indiana." said ESPN.com.
    Gee, where I have heard that before...

    If Irsay the younger said that, they're leaving.


It was Irsay the Younger. He said that since he's like 40 something, he's not signing a 30 year lease if he doesn't think it's perfect.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ nfl/news/story?id=1809392

(edited by Zeruel on 26.5.04 1331)



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Cards. Really low attendence, but every team there has their own new stadium except them @ Sun Devil Stadium.

    Saints. There is a big to-do about the superdome. If the Saints can't get a new stadium, or the terms that they want, I can't see why they shouldn't move to L.A.

    Colts. "Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay, who is involved in discussions with community and state leaders about improvements in the Colts' situation, said he was confident of working out a new deal to remain in Indiana." said ESPN.com.

    Chargers. I vaguely remember reading that they were suing or the city were suing them over a stadium flap.

Perhaps I'm getting overly cynical in my old age, but it's possible that Paul Tagliabue really doesn't want to put a team in Los Angeles as much as he wants the ability to keep using the threat of moving a team to Los Angeles as a blackmail device (i.e. "Meet our demands New Orleans/Phoenix/Indianapolis/Etc., or face the prospect of having your team moved to Los Angeles."). Tagliabue may just be giving the various municipalities mentioned above (along with a few others) a little extra incentive to cave in to the demands of their local NFL franchise by letting Los Angeles hang like a hammer over any negotiations regarding stadium deals and the like. Now of course this is just my opinion, but I don't think that the NFL gains nearly as much by putting a team in L.A. as it does by milking the threat of moving an existing franchise to Los Angeles, proving that the threat is stronger than the execution (thank you Nimzowitsch). Think about it; where would a Los Angeles team play? Each of the existing stadia in the L.A. area are inadequate for one reason or another. 2008 is only three years away, barely enough time to get a new stadium project started, let alone completed (and that's presuming the SoCal taxpayers would be willing to shell out the big bucks for a new sports facility). Again, this is just my opinion, but I think Tagliabue understands that Los Angeles serves him better as a negotiating tool rather than as an actually home.



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It just isn't a profootball town. Showtime and football just don't go together and he knows it.



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L.A. does not deserve a team. L.A. is Raider Nation. Any other team? Don't even bother coming!



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It's all about money. There's an assload of revenue to be made with TV advertisements with an L.A. based team.




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There is a catch with the Chargers going to LA - it won't be until 2009, unless the story below means 2007-2008 as the 2008 season.

http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=19831

He did say before 2008, right?



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To throw a darkhorse team into the mix: If NYC doesn't get the 2012 Olympics or the West Side Stadium just doesn't get built (and its generous to say its 50-50 it gets built), the Jets are done with their lease in the Meadowlands by the 2008 season. That would make NY an all NFC market, and LA an all AFC market. Put the Colts back in the AFC East, move the Jets to the AFC West and have the Chiefs move to the AFC South, and that is the re-alignment.



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Moving the Chiefs out of the rivalries they've had with the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers since the AFL days would be an incredible mistake of gigantic proportions.




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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    To throw a darkhorse team into the mix: If NYC doesn't get the 2012 Olympics or the West Side Stadium just doesn't get built (and its generous to say its 50-50 it gets built), the Jets are done with their lease in the Meadowlands by the 2008 season. That would make NY an all NFC market, and LA an all AFC market. Put the Colts back in the AFC East, move the Jets to the AFC West and have the Chiefs move to the AFC South, and that is the re-alignment.


One problem with that theory RSN, I remember reading somewhere that the Jets are going to be building a stadium on the West side of Manhattan. I believe thats the area George wanted for a new Yankee ballpark.





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