i was disappointed with smackdown yesterday, but not because it was a bad show, there were three pretty good matches and brock beat hogan... but the disappointment stemmed from this:
THE TAG TEAM FORMULA
1] tag teams brawl or start the match with a lockup. 2] teams go back and forth, normally with the face in charge for the first minute, and the heels and faces trading the advantage for a minute. 3] the face makes a "mistake", or the heels cheat to gain the advantage. 4] the heels beat down the face for a few minutes, trying to gain sympathy heat for the face, and slowing the match down. this could also involve "false tags". 5] face makes a hot tag to his partner, who proceeds to clean out the heels who were so strong about 10 seconds ago. 6] proceed to whatever finish sees fit, or possibly restart the cycle in a longer match.
i think we all know how it works, but am i the only one getting absolutely SICKENED by this formula?
take the six man match last night. i love six mans, but that one could have been so much more. they stuck to the formula, and that ruined the match. that match involved 5 awesome guys and john cena, and they resorted to that kind of formulaic garbage. they could have just paired everyone off in little go-arounds with quick tags and kept the pace up and the crowd hot until the heels cheat, edge takes exception and he and rey hop in the ring, and we have ourselves a 6-man brawl. there was no need for that extended cena beatdown which involved 2 restholds, from angle and guerrero, no less. the match was 10 minutes long, and knowing that everyone in the aforementioned match has worked over 10 minutes RECENTLY, in tag matches or singles matches, you know that they can go out there and have a 10 minute match non-stop with 5 other guys. coming into the match, i was stoked because i had heard awesome things about it, but i was sorely let down.
Originally posted by DMCAren't *all* matches somewhat forumlaic?
i think that most of them have a certain formula to them, especially in the wwe, but in tag matches you know exactly what's going to happen as soon as you hear about the match happening. there are always the matches where each guy goes on offense for awhile, or the matches where nobody is in definate control for the entire match and it's just move after move or they're vying for submissions.
in singles matches, there can be many formulas used. in the wwe, they usually stick to "heels control the bulk". but the tag matches are always relegated to the same one. shake it up a bit! the formula still works sometimes, and firecracker's point about the formula working comes into play here. they could stick to it for certain matches and it wouldn't be so bad. BUT, when you have more than one tag match per show, it's basically just carbon copies of one another, so shaking it up then would definately be a good thing.
and i thought the match was pretty good, good ending and good beginning, but i was so annoyed with the middle portion outside of a few good moves, that it almost ruined the match for me.
I personally would love to see Tag matches similar to All Japan in the early 90s. People who get beat-up in the match are still selling on the apron.
Often, it breaks down to the point where one team does a big move to eliminate the other guy's partners, so the team losing has less of a chance to come back. This way, cut-play (interrupting the count) has more meaning, if that's about all the partner can do at the time...
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I can remember one match where they broke "the formula" - it was the Brothers of Destruction vs. DDP and Kanyon in the steel cage. There weren't any face-in-peril moments...just one looooong heels-getting-killed moment.
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Originally posted by Parts UnknownI can remember one match where they broke "the formula" - it was the Brothers of Destruction vs. DDP and Kanyon in the steel cage. There weren't any face-in-peril moments...just one looooong heels-getting-killed moment.
hm... and we all know how well that went over. maybe there are certain times when a formula would be very well to do, huh.
i think it would be amusing to have the heels do their 10 minute beatdown on the face, the face teammate gets into the ring to break up a two count, but the other heel grabs him and tosses him over the top. the beaten face takes the heel teams finisher and the heels win, with the pinfall just beating out the diving faces save. it's somewhat formulaic but still messing with the formula. i don't know how well it would go over though. maybe have the faces control a larger portion at the beginning so it doesn't seem like a total squash, or lots of heel cheating. i duno, there are so many ways to keep the same formula and screw with it so it's not so much the same. maybe they should try that.
Maybe that's why I loved that match at SummerSlam... It was different from the norm and served its purpose. DDP's heat with Taker was dead at that point - going over would have prolonged it. His time to go over was passed.
Formulatic tag-team matches wouldn't be a problem if we saw something different from the formula. This is where jobbers come in. I remember back in WCW, when they were building a team up, we'd see them on Nitro or Thunder facing a jobber team. So you'd get Rey and Kidman dismantle Silver King and La Parka - hitting all their spots, showcasing their work - and getting a HUGE pop. So come game day, when they're facing a real team like Raven and Saturn, NOW we get to run through the formula and it doesn't feel like something you'd see everyday because it's NOT.
I know this goes back to the jobber argument and I'm gonna hear "I don't EVER want to see Barry Horowitz on TV again" but jobbers really DO serve a larger purpose than "guys who hang around".
well you can make an argument that there are jobbers that populate the wwe right now, including funaki, crash holly, justin credible, mike awesome (since his return), rob conway (only because he hasn't won a match yet), and spike dudley (when not paired with bubba... hell, even WITH him). yet when a match features any of these guys they are still on offense for a good chunk of the match, even if you know that there is no way in hell that they will win. so my basic guess (just a GUESS) is that if they brought back full fledged job guys, they'd STILL be on offense for a good portion of the match and it would still be worked as the normal style.
this GUESS also takes into account the "jobber matches" that punctuated metal before the split, where some no-name guy with no entrance controlled a good portion of a match before the superstar made the classic comeback. it was not always the case, though, but more often than not, it was definately something that happened.
I realize Booker didn't actually feud with the nWo way back when. Booker's heat with nWo is really along the lines of him getting held back in WCW while all the big pushes and storylines revolved around Hogan/Bischoff/Nash.