Originally posted by oudomMan, I bought 2 sets of Pint Glasses (House Targaryn, Baratheon, Lannister, and Stark) and was just thinking to myself... why does the Baratheons have a cup... there's only Stannis running around and Joffrey is Jaime's kid. Little did I realize the Starks would be an endangered species. Guess I can put my full support behind Daenerys now. When you play the game of thrones you win or you die.
By that "logic", why do the Targaryens have a cup? There's only Daenerys.
Come on, dude. You know Daenerys and her dragons outweigh all those other guys. :)
I think the hardest part of watching this episode - having read the books - was knowing that this was likely to happen *this* episode. Yeah yeah, John left the Wildlings. Great. Tyrion married Sansa. Uh huh. A cool fight to take Yunkai. Whatever. Just get to the wedding already!
And once they started the wedding - I think The Dan Band could have been in the background covering Candy Shop and I wouldn't have noticed in anticipation of the bloodshed.
I got to give credit to The hound this episode. If his ultimate goal was to deliver Arya to her brother Robb and mother for a reward, once he saw the chaos he should of booked it out of there and left her to save himself. He instead went back for her and forced her out of there. He must know his reward for delivering her just went up in smoke, I'm thinking maybe he's a decent guy after all and is only viewed as violent ugly knight who can't think for himself or a coward traumatized by fire.... The Clegane brothers are Got's versions of The Brother's of Destruction with The Hound playing the part of Kane!
I'm not going to comment on the wedding. That shit ruined my day. Is there a word for having such strong admiration for something and bubbling rage for the same thing?
Ok, is now a good time to start reading "A Feast for Crows"?
I read the first three books years ago.... Waited for forever (like everybody else) for Feast to be completed. Then got to a point where I didn't want to read it because I fealt that it was going to take another forever for the next book to be finished.
Once I got word that HBO was turning GOT into a series, I figured it get reacquainted through the TV show and get back to the books once the show caught up to where I left off. One comment in this thread suggested an intermingling of events from book three and book four for next season. Looks like that's an indicator to start moving forward and read the next couple of books. Right?
If your question is simply, are they caught up to the end of A Storm of Swords then the answer is no. There are still 30 more chapters of A Storm of Swords after the Red Wedding.
If your question is when will they get done with A Storm of Swords and start on a Feast for Crows it's hard to tell. From what I understand, when Martin wrote A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons they were originally one book. It was too long so he was told to split it into two books. When he split it up A Dance with Dragons ended up telling the story of our usual POV main characters (Snow, Bran, Daenerys, Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, etc) while A Feast for Crows' POV characters are mainly supporting characters in the TV show so far (Brienne, Sam) and a lot of new characters (Greyjoys and people in Dorne).
Because of this I don't think there is anyway that A Feast for Crows is going to be it's own season. There is no way they're going to air an entire season without Tyrion and Snow and very little Arya, Sansa, Jaime, Cersei. A Feast for Crows will have to be combined with another season but there is no telling if they'll combine it with the second half of A Storm of Swords in Season 4 (as I said in my last post, there is still enough material to do another season on it) or combine it with A Dance with Dragons in Season 5. My guess is that Season 4 will still be A Storm of Swords and Season 5 will be a combination of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons but that's just a guess.
(edited by Quezzy on 4.6.13 0300) Lance's Response:
Trying to do a Feast of Crows by itself would be show suicide. Minus most of the main characters missing nothing really happens. Its a place holder book. We still have 30 chapters to go, I thought it was less. Still you can do Joffery's wedding at least part of it. I really don't expect them to show the event at the wall.
The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
I'm in the rare minority that actually kind of liked A Feast of Crows. For one, it was a quick read compared to the 1000 pages of the other books. The Ironborn are terrible and every minute spent with them was misery, but I like the Dornish and found them interesting.
It was also pretty Cercei heavy, as I recall. I may be mistaken, but I believe it was the first time Cercei became a POV character in the books. You get inside her head and I was thinking initially, "Maybe she's like Jaime, and maybe if we just understood where she's coming from, she'd be sympathetic." Oh no. No no no. She's worse than you think. She's a horrible, horrible person at her core. It's just like Tyrion said in season 2: she loves her children, that's her only redeeming virtue. That and her cheekbones.
Having said that, pulling from later books into seasons has already been done on the show. For example, Jeyne Westerling, Robb's book wife, doesn't appear in the books until A Storm of Swords but the show did Robb's courtship and wedding to Talisa in season 2. If the show stuck to doing everything by the book, we wouldn't have met Talisa until season 3, and her name would be Jeyne.
Another example, at the end of season one, there's a pivotal exchange between an imprisoned Jaime and Catelyn that doesn't happen until the end of A Clash of Kings. Moved up an entire season to set up everything regarding Jaime for season 2 and 3.
(edited by John Orquiola on 4.6.13 0744) "Cody, I mustache you a question." - The Miz
I was always quite bored with Robb Stark and his stupid beard so I'm glad he's gone. He never seemed like much of a leader from the start, and I always had trouble picturing him as a major player. I'll miss Catelyn Stark a bit, but she's pretty much run her course by now anyway.
IMO the real winner of this episode is Bran, who is finally realizing what he can do. I am much more drawn to the supernatural elements of this show than to the political intrigue and whatnot. The fact that the supernatural elements get downplayed so much compared to other fantasy stories makes them that much cooler when they do pop up. BTW, some dragonfire next episode, please?
Do we know if Sam realized what his magic dagger did to the zombie monster and if he went back to retrieve it? Seems like an important point. (FYI I have never read the books and only casually watch the show so I probably miss a lot of obvious details!)
You have a point about Robb, because he never got a POV in the books. The reader witnessed the Red Wedding through Catelyn's POV.
I think Sam realized his dagger murderized that white walker (or was it a wight?) But, they were both so scared after the encounter, I don't think he went back for the dragon glass.
Sam most definitely left the dragon glass behind like an idiot when he and Gilly booked it after Sam killed the white walker.
Speaking of bladed weapons, I was racking my brain trying to remember ever since Arya told the Hound she was going to stab him in the eye: what happened to Needle, Arya's sword? Someone took it in season 2 when they were captured and went to Harrenhal. She never tried to get it back.
Originally posted by QuezzyIf your question is simply, are they caught up to the end of A Storm of Swords then the answer is no. There are still 30 more chapters of A Storm of Swords after the Red Wedding.
If your question is when will they get done with A Storm of Swords and start on a Feast for Crows it's hard to tell. From what I understand, when Martin wrote A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons they were originally one book. It was too long so he was told to split it into two books. When he split it up A Dance with Dragons ended up telling the story of our usual POV main characters (Snow, Bran, Daenerys, Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, etc) while A Feast for Crows' POV characters are mainly supporting characters in the TV show so far (Brienne, Sam) and a lot of new characters (Greyjoys and people in Dorne).
Because of this I don't think there is anyway that A Feast for Crows is going to be it's own season. There is no way they're going to air an entire season without Tyrion and Snow and very little Arya, Sansa, Jaime, Cersei. A Feast for Crows will have to be combined with another season but there is no telling if they'll combine it with the second half of A Storm of Swords in Season 4 (as I said in my last post, there is still enough material to do another season on it) or combine it with A Dance with Dragons in Season 5. My guess is that Season 4 will still be A Storm of Swords and Season 5 will be a combination of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons but that's just a guess.
(edited by Quezzy on 4.6.13 0300)
Good input, looks like I'll be dusting off the old book.
Originally posted by John Orquiola Speaking of bladed weapons, I was racking my brain trying to remember ever since Arya told the Hound she was going to stab him in the eye: what happened to Needle, Arya's sword? Someone took it in season 2 when they were captured and went to Harrenhal. She never tried to get it back.
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Polliver took Needle when Arya was first captured when she was with Yoren. Later, after the Red Wedding, Arya and the Hound run into Polliver, the Tickler, and an unnamed squire in an inn in some village. Arya gets Needle back.
(edited by Bizzle Izzle on 4.6.13 1539) 'But if one is struck by me only a little, that is far different, the stroke is a sharp thing and suddenly lays him lifeless, and that man's wife goes with cheeks torn in lamentation, and his children are fatherless, while he, staining the soil with his red blood, rots away, and there are more birds than women swarming about him.' Diomedes, The Iliad of Homer
You can read the Red Wedding chapter from A Storm of Swords here courtesy of Harper Collins UK. Interesting they tell Robb "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" before killing him.
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I liked this one. Not much else to say, really. The whole magic storyline, with the old magician and with the Criss Angel-dude stealing the bit, worked.
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