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Got to take a trip back to Middle Earth today and boy did it feel like a long one.  Other than the pacing, there's nothing particularly bad about the film, but it just isn't much fun beyond a handful of moments.  The 48fps is an interesting experiement that is clearly in experimental stages here.  It'll be interesting to see what may be done to make it a smoother experience for the future films. 

I've got my spoiler-free review up on my site (londonfilmfanatiq.com).  I've gone further out of my way to not reveal things than I probably should given the nature of this film, but oh well. 




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
Its good. A lot of D&D adventure stuff I appreciated and since this is where it came from, it was very understandable. It is long and there some things that are not needed. I also found the CGI very cartoonish to the point, no LOTR fan can bitch about that aspect of the prequels.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
It was very good and I loved the portrayal of younger Bilbo. Freeman was fantastic. The rest of it was similar to the other LOTR films, only a bit less exciting. Still, I enjoyed it a lot and it didn't drag for me like I thought it might.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42

Personally I thought it was great. The look worked for me and I thought that the 3d really made the action jump out at you. The story flowed just fine for me. It's been like 30 something years since I read the whole book but everything seemed consistent with the LOTR films. Can't wait to see the next chapter.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
Saw it today in Real-D HFR. Since I have already seen blu rays in the 120 hz mode it wasn't a huge visual shock for the 48fps. I thought it made the fast sweeping camera a lot smoother and the action was nice and smooth. Movie also looks super bright to compensate for the glasses which was great. I was entertained for the duration of the movie but at the end, it seems like they still have a LOOOOOONG ways to go to get to the Lonely Mountain.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
Yeah, but at least the worst is behind them.

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I enjoyed this. The Hobbit as it would have occured in World of Warcraft.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
Really wasn't expecting to enjoy it as much as I did. (backofthehead.com)



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    While the humans from Lord of the Rings like Boromir and Aragorn haven't been born yet...


Aragorn is alive at this point, he's 87 (and Jackson even included that bit in the extendeds).




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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      While the humans from Lord of the Rings like Boromir and Aragorn haven't been born yet...


    Aragorn is alive at this point, he's 87 (and Jackson even included that bit in the extendeds).

I know you're right, but I'm going to provide some background information because the layman might think you're saying he's 87 as of The Hobbit, which is not the case. He is 87 in the events of Lord of the Ring. He should be about 10 years old during the events of "The Hobbit" book. He should be living Elrond in Rivendell under the name Estel during this time. They could have shown a random human boy there, but there's not really a point; he does not find out his true heritage as the heir of Isildur until he turns 20. It may be a surprise to people to find out that he is 87 in LoTR. It may help you understand to know that he died at the age of 223. This is probably because he is a descendant of Elros Half-Elven. Elros was Elrond's brother who choose to live in the domain of men, and was given a great lifespan (by human standards). Elros lived for about 500 years.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
I was surprised how closely it followed the plot template of Fellowship of the Ring, almost setting for setting.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by oudom
    I was entertained for the duration of the movie but at the end, it seems like they still have a LOOOOOONG ways to go to get to the Lonely Mountain.


Or, Gandalf could just summon up those eagles to fly them the rest of the way and save them a lot of time. The "Gandalf never uses his powers except as a deus ex machina" trope is getting pretty old.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    Or, Gandalf could just summon up those eagles to fly them the rest of the way and save them a lot of time. The "Gandalf never uses his powers except as a deus ex machina" trope is getting pretty old.


My buddy and I wondered the same thing; especially in regards to how the eagles' help would've really been appreciated in LOTR. Found the following about the eagles on IMDB's FAQ and it's a satisfactory answer:



    The Council of Elrond decided that secrecy and stealth were the only viable means of getting into Mordor. A large eagle in the skies would have been quickly spotted by Sauron and intercepted. In addition, the Eagles are an intelligent, independent race who cannot simply be summoned like beasts of burden, but who rather make their own decisions. Ultimately, they do decide to enter the war. There is also a matter of the eagles possibly being corrupted during the trip and that they would have simply delivered the ring to Sauron.

Decent stuff on there. Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120737/faq

The independent race stuff works for "Hobbit". Then factor in that the eagles are their own army in "the Battle of the Five Armies".

As for Gandalf not using his powers all the time: I think back to playing D&D in the 80's. A wizard/spellcaster/etc couldn't perform their spells all the time. Even simple stuff took awhile to refresh. Endurance, effort, wear-and-tar, stamina and what-not play a part in casting a spell. So I chalk up Gandalf's limited use of his powers to a similar effect. With magic characters, you have to have limitations, otherwise the plots suck (see also: Dr. Strange).

Think of it like power-lifting. Just because you can squat a certain amount of inhuman weight, doesn't mean you go around doing it all the time.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
    Originally posted by dWs
      Originally posted by Big Bad

      Or, Gandalf could just summon up those eagles to fly them the rest of the way and save them a lot of time. The "Gandalf never uses his powers except as a deus ex machina" trope is getting pretty old.


    My buddy and I wondered the same thing; especially in regards to how the eagles' help would've really been appreciated in LOTR. Found the following about the eagles on IMDB's FAQ and it's a satisfactory answer:



      The Council of Elrond decided that secrecy and stealth were the only viable means of getting into Mordor. A large eagle in the skies would have been quickly spotted by Sauron and intercepted. In addition, the Eagles are an intelligent, independent race who cannot simply be summoned like beasts of burden, but who rather make their own decisions. Ultimately, they do decide to enter the war. There is also a matter of the eagles possibly being corrupted during the trip and that they would have simply delivered the ring to Sauron.

    Decent stuff on there. Source: http://www.imdb.com/​title/​tt0120737/​faq

    The independent race stuff works for "Hobbit". Then factor in that the eagles are their own army in "the Battle of the Five Armies".



That is something that always drives me nuts when people say "why didn't they just fly an eagle to Mount Doom?" Given that giant flying beasts with Nazgul atop them are a major plot point in the movies, you would think the answer would be self-evident.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    The "Gandalf never uses his powers except as a deus ex machina" trope is getting pretty old.

I didn't mind it much in LOTR. The way sometimes he could summon forth a blinding light of awesomeness and other times was reduced to merely twirling his staff around like an aging rhythmic gymnast was a bit odd, but it was a minor quibble in some excellent movies so I was happy to handwave it away.

The way they were again called forth as a last minute Get Out Of Jail Free card and then promptly dropped the group off a few yards down the road meant it was really jarring here though.

    Originally posted by dWs
    The independent race stuff works for "Hobbit".
Not so much for me. They're never presented as such in any of the films. Gandalf wants eagles, Gandalf not only gets eagles but gets as many eagles as he needs for whatever purpose he wants. Why he waits until after he's farted about setting pine cones on fire is a mystery.

Besides, they not only fail to take the group all the way to their destination, they drop them off hundreds of miles away at the top of the nearest precarious looking rocky outcrop. That's like you phoning me to say you've been attacked in a dodgy neighborhood, me rocking up to 'save' you, then taking you to another equally dodgy neighborhood on the other side of town and telling you to make your own way to the hospital. It's a dick move, is what I'm saying, and if the eagles are an independent race, they're an independent race of dicks.

    Originally posted by spf
    That is something that always drives me nuts when people say "why didn't they just fly an eagle to Mount Doom?" Given that giant flying beasts with Nazgul atop them are a major plot point in the movies, you would think the answer would be self-evident.


The Nazgul could be scared off by Aragorn waving around a small bit of burning wood and both they and a giant flying beast were seen to get pwned by a girl. The eagles would be fine. The stealth/possible corruption/independent race reasons dWs gave from IMDb make much more sense here.

Geekish quibbles notwithstanding, I did really like The Hobbit though.
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    Originally posted by dMr
    Gandalf wants eagles, Gandalf not only gets eagles but gets as many eagles as he needs for whatever purpose he wants. Why he waits until after he's farted about setting pine cones on fire is a mystery.


Wasn't the moth or butterfly the way Gandalf contacted the eagles? His request took awhile to get to Eagle Dispatch Central, I suppose. Thus, the flaming pine cone crap. So while Gandalf wasn't 100% surprised to see the eagles show up, he probably wished they had arrived sooner.

So I'd say the eagles are the Middle Earth version of taxis. Even after you call, there's no guarantee when they'll get there. Then when they do pick you up, there's a language barrier. So who knows where the hell they'll drop you off at. Either way, you're not going to complain about where a giant eagle and its massive talons just took you.







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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by dWs
    Wasn't the moth or butterfly the way Gandalf contacted the eagles?
I originally thought it was flaming cones first then he got on the phone to Eagle Xpress but in hindsight I think you're right - it was phone then cones.
    Originally posted by dWs
    Either way, you're not going to complain about where a giant eagle and its massive talons just took you.
In my own head I'd decided the eagles were insanely whiny bitches who would spend the next seven decades banging on to Gandalf about "that time they saved him from the Pale Orc" so he wasn't about to ask them to do anything he didn't absolutely need from them. Your "don't question anything with a 30m wingspan and talons bigger than you are" argument also has merit.

Similarly, I decided Bilbo didn't bother using his newfound Mysterious Ring (Sneak +99 except against giant flamey eyes) to stealth kill an orc or two when he went to save Thorin because he somehow sensed its dark energy and was loathe to use it despite the fact any sane hobbit would have had that thing on the second his letter opener started glowing blue.

The film was good enough to make me want to fill in the blanks myself afterwards but at the time these things did kind of jolt a bit.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by dMr
    I decided Bilbo didn't bother using his newfound Mysterious Ring (Sneak +99 except against giant flamey eyes) to stealth kill an orc or two when he went to save Thorin because he somehow sensed its dark energy and was loathe to use it despite the fact any sane hobbit would have had that thing on the second his letter opener started glowing blue.



There is also the issue that Bilbo wants to keep the ring's existence a secret from everyone but himself. Partly, that's because of the corruption of the ring, Ii.e. no sharing) but it is also because it makes him a much better thief thus allowing him to do things that he would never otherwise be able to do, thus impressing the dwarves and Gandalf.



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Did Bilbo even completely realize that the ring made him invisible at this point? Plus, it was kind of a new thing. He thought about it, right? didn't he finger it or something?

I mean, you come upon an awesome weapon that you used successfully more or less by chance, and not it is a stressful dangerous situation and your logical mind says - yeah, this sword is what works.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Did Bilbo even completely realize that the ring made him invisible at this point?


He figured it out after he realized that Gollum ran past him and at some point was basically staring at him but Gollum couldn't see him.

That and he was eavesdropping on the Company standing right next to them then Thorin was badmouthing him. He now needs the ring to prove he belongs and that he is the burger Gandalf made him out to be. It is helping build his confidence and parts of the main thread of the book was about the personal growth that Bilbo makes.



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