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#1 Posted on
So I stopped watching WWE around the time of the Brand Split (WWE Championship on one show, World Championship on the other). Both belts were more or less equally prestigious.

Tuning in for a bit now, it's looking like both belts are on both shows pretty consistently. Are they still considered equal? Or is the World Championship kind of secondary now?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
They never have been.

WWE Title is the top belt and the World Title is the 80's-90's version of the IC Title. Maybe more so now than when the brand split first happened, but that's pretty much where we are at.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
I would argue, it depends on who is holding it. I still feel that Batista's reign while marginalized by terrible opponents minus Eddie, was a much bigger deal than Cena's first run. Even Brock was a bigger deal than HHH's god awful almost fatal to the company run in 2002 to 2005. After Batista, I think after the trading of champions on the last draft is when they moved the Smackdown belt as number two.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
At least thru Jeff Hardy & CM Punk's feud, the World championship seemed like it was meant to be the equal of the WWE title. It wasn't - the main title has been whichever one John Cena has been going after since Cena was moved to RAW - but the pretense was pretty strong.

Now, the last time champion vs champion was brought up, the bit ended with Punk telling Sheamus he wasn't on his level, and WWE not being concerned about giving him a comeback. They've given up the pretense.

The drop off point is pretty obvious when you look at a title history list

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    Edge [5] 09/04/26 Providence, RI
    Defeats Cena in a Last Man Standing Match.
    Jeff Hardy 09/06/07 New Orleans, LA
    C.M. Punk [2] 09/06/07 New Orleans, LA
    Cashes in his "Money in the Bank", which allows him to challenge for any title any time, right after Hardy wins the title.
    Jeff Hardy [2] 09/07/26 Philadelphia, PA
    C.M. Punk [3] 09/08/23 Los Angeles, CA
    The Undertaker [3] 09/10/04 Newark, NJ
    Chris Jericho [3] 10/02/21 St. Louis, MO
    Wins an Elimination Chamber match against The Undertaker, John Morrison, R-Truth, C.M. Punk, and Rey Mysterio Jr..
    Jack Swagger 10/03/30 Las Vegas, NV
    Cashes in his "Money in the Bank", which allows him to challenge for any title any time, right after Edge attacks Jericho.
    Rey Mysterio Jr. [2] 10/06/20 Uniondale, NY
    Defeats Swagger, C.M. Punk, and the Big Show in a 4-way match.
    Kane (Glen Jacobs) 10/07/18 Kansas City, MO
    Wins the "Money in the Bank" match earlier on the card and cashes it in to defeat Mysterio right afer Mysterio defends the title against Jack Swagger.
    Edge [6] 10/12/19 Houston, TX
    Defeats Kane, Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio in a 4-way match.
    Dolph Ziggler 11/02/15 San Diego, CA
    Awarded by the Smackdown! interim general manager Vickie Guerrero due to Edge being disqualified for using the spear in their championship match the previous week.
    Edge [7] 11/02/15 San Diego, CA
    Vacates on 11/04/12 upon retirement.



Jack Swagger didn't neccesarily have to be that bad, but he was treated like he was joke TV champion. Everything after it just kept digging the hole deeper.

Unifying it would not be a big deal now, which is the easy sign it's a secondary title. People would feel better if there weren't two championship, but they really don't have two right now.

(edited by thecubsfan on 28.9.12 2110)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.17
As much the WCW mark as I am, and thus I enjoy every remnant of WCW that I see on contemporary WWE television (including the design of the World Heavyweight Title), I wouldn't be too upset by a title unification match anymore. I mean, it's not as if we actually have a brand extension, for all intents and purposes.

When the World Title was held by people like Triple H, Goldberg, Chris Benoit, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, John Cena, et cetera, it was very much the equal of the WWE Title. Hell, one could argue that at WrestleMania 20, the World Title was much, MUCH more important than the WWE Title. It does very much matter who holds it. Sheamus isn't a joke, exactly, and he's a former WWE Champion, but Punk is correct when he says that he's not on Punk's level. Sheamus is still in algebra while Punk is on to advanced quantum physics, nawmean?

There are still a handful of people, however, who, if they held the World Title, would again make it the equal of the WWE Title.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.17
I don't think it matters exactly who has which belt, as much as which show the belts represent. There's the RAW title and the Smackdown title, and the RAW title is the more important one. As the brand split becomes increasingly less relevant, and the World Heavyweight belt appears more and more on RAW, it becomes increasingly the secondary title for the company, instead of the primary title for its show. At least they seem to be rebuilding the World Heavyweight title as a secondary title, which gives it some prestige back, but I think we can more or less agree that there's at least one singles title too many in the company right now.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.76
The biggest problem is that they don't treat any of the belts as prestigious anymore. A few of the champions seem to be improving upon that, as of late, but the company as a whole still isn't making them out to be as big a deal as they should.

While the idea of a title unification doesn't seem like that big of a deal at this point, they could still make it out to be a big deal with the proper storyline, probably with the World Heavyweight Champion vowing to prove he's the best by unifying the titles. I think everyone was fairly surprised when they gave the original unified title to Jericho, would the WWE be smart enough to do it again with Ziggler?

They unified the divas championship and the tag team championship again, I'd personally prefer to see them unify the top belts as well but relegate the IC and US titles to the specific shows, even if the brand split were to officially go away.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
If they did unify the belts they would have to put some serious work into rebuilding the credibility of the IC Title. A whole generation of fans have no idea that belt was hotly contested by the likes of Savage, Steamboat, Michaels and Jake Roberts. Warrior vs Hogan was champion vs champion.

The IC belt is just a prop for goofballs and middling midcarders who keep having their pushes stall out on them. If the WWE can get serious about the tag division for longer than a couple of months it's possible that the IC built can make a comeback. Having Ryback hold it last week would have been a nice start.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    If they did unify the belts they would have to put some serious work into rebuilding the credibility of the IC Title. A whole generation of fans have no idea that belt was hotly contested by the likes of Savage, Steamboat, Michaels and Jake Roberts. Warrior vs Hogan was champion vs champion.

    The IC belt is just a prop for goofballs and middling midcarders who keep having their pushes stall out on them. If the WWE can get serious about the tag division for longer than a couple of months it's possible that the IC built can make a comeback. Having Ryback hold it last week would have been a nice start.




They need a King of a Ring style tournament to make the IC title matter and it has to include people like Rey, Miz, Kofi and other workers. Putting the belt on Ryback is useless. If anything, its time to get rid of the US title that way the IC title has more meaning. I also agree unify the two belts. The brand split is all, but dead, so I say at Survivor Series have Punk/Sheamus. I mean Punk tweeted a picture of the new belt, just use it already.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
I think the last thing the IC title needs is a tournament filled with go-nowhere goofs having 30 second matches.

It needs what every title that's required building up has needed in the past. It needs a strong champion having a decently long feud with a guy who wants his belt. Outside of the odd time someone like Cody Rhodes tried to make the title a big deal, they haven't really had that in years.

ps. It's a title, not a belt! People can buy belts at Walmart! It's a title! /Vince
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I don't think it matters exactly who has which belt, as much as which show the belts represent. There's the RAW title and the Smackdown title, and the RAW title is the more important one.


Yup. I would say the WWE title on Smackdown started as the #1 belt during Lesnar's run, but ever since JBL got that title, the Raw championship has been bigger, whichever one happened to be on it at the time. Except for the strange period in 2008 when Triple H was SD champion and nascent babyface CM Punk was Raw champion.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

I think the WWE Title is more prestigious mostly because that's the title that has the lineage back to Buddy Rogers. The WHC was just invented to give Triple H something to do and even though it looks like the old WCW belt it actually has no heritage prior to 2002. And the WCW title only appeared prestigious anyway because it could pretend to be the old NWA Title (and physically it was), but hell, even that title was only created in the 90s when WCW dropped out of the NWA. It was..1992? I can't recall...Ekedolphin would know! So really the WWE Title has the longest uninterrupted lineage, other than the actual aforementioned NWA WHC which is currently held by someone named Scrap Iron. Which made me very sad actually.

I felt my virginity grow back writing all of that out like a huge nerd, but that's how I feel about it. *Blush*





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
It would make sense to have Sheamus and Del Rio feuding over the old IC belt of yesteryear, but I could never see them feuding over the top title unless this were mid 90's when Diesel held the belt.

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