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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.79
Holy WOW.  This show has no problem taking it to the next level.  However tonight they took somewhere I never thought they would go.  Walt poisoning the kid last season was bad.  What happened tonight was shocking!

I'm moving into loving the show but hating the man that Walt is evolving into.  Despite Walt's evolution, there seemed to be a bit of innocence in his ways (even with poisoning the kid...he knew the kid would be alright).  The innocence was lost when debating the approach to the heist. He was all in until Jesse spoke up with plan B. The writing and acting is coming off as brilliant once again.  

I love that when Walt gains more power he is becoming less in control of things. Unlike previous seasons when he had no power and was able to take control of things.  This is nothing new for this type of character.  However this crew is pulling it off perfectly.  Kudos to the team.

I'll save the write up for someone else. I'm just floored with tonight's episode. Jaw dropping floored.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.76
    Originally posted by The Guinness.
    I'm moving into loving the show but hating the man that Walt is evolving into.  Despite Walt's evolution, there seemed to be a bit of innocence in his ways (even with poisoning the kid...he knew the kid would be alright).  


Yeah, they are not really holding back this season. I just didn't see that coming...

None of the recent episodes feel like a full hour to me. Every time the show ends, I keep thinking that only a half hour has passed. They are just really great episodes.

They've already had several allusions to how Walt may come tumbling down. They've referenced Scarface, Heat, The Caine Mutiny... all of which have some connection with deception and betrayal, or at least perceived betrayal.

I think the big, wait-for-it, be-all moment will be the moment when Hank FINALLY realizes that Walt is Heisenberg. And my hunch is that the bug Walt planted in Hank's office will get found, and Hank, who really is no dummy, will remember Walt clutching that picture and the watch (and the cars), and then it will FINALLY hit him. That's the moment I am looking forward to this season.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
What I love is that this season it is JESSE that is the idea man had has really evolved from that jackass from season 1.

Considering that it has been 1 full year since S1E1, (and the flash-forward from S5E1 is another year in the future) Walt, Sky, and Jesse have come along way in a short time.

Walt went from being someone with no control in his life and just trying to provide for his family after his impending death to beating cancer (for now) and becoming a drug kingpin who needs total control of everyone and everything.

Jesse was an impulsive punk, "Cap'n Cook", and now is someone that Walt has been sort of grooming into his image. Kind of like the son he really wanted. Every time he tries to go it alone, pull away from Walt, or just tries to have a life outside of cooking, Walt pulls the strings until he comes back to the fold. There will be hell to pay if Jesse ever finds out what Walt has been doing.

Sky went from a loving wife and mother trying to deal with her dying husband to finding out that she doesn't even know who Walter is any more and right now is just trying to do the best she can to make sure her kids get out of this safe and unharmed. I have a feeling that her fear of Walt will end up being his downfall.

Only 3 more episodes for this half of the season and then we have to wait until NEXT SUMMER to get the conclusion. I can not wait for next week. I second the observation that the episodes move so quick. All this season I was shocked that episodes "ended" when they did because it didn't feel like an hour, that's for sure.

Hands down, my favorite series ever. The acting, writing, and pacing are top notch.

EDIT: Oh, in case no one has noticed, Lydia was Kate the Blacksmith from "A Knight's Tale"

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
    Originally posted by Leroy
    I think the big, wait-for-it, be-all moment will be the moment when Hank FINALLY realizes that Walt is Heisenberg. And my hunch is that the bug Walt planted in Hank's office will get found, and Hank, who really is no dummy, will remember Walt clutching that picture and the watch (and the cars), and then it will FINALLY hit him. That's the moment I am looking forward to this season.


I think Hank might ratchet up obfuscating stupidity a bit, and later on we proceed to find out he knew the bugs were there the whole time and laid a trap for Walt.

Or Walt comes to a difficult decision, and has Hank killed.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

I might be in the minority, but last night's episode was the first of this season that didn't drag ...

Landry Jones FTW.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
This season has been great. I didn't think there would be much juice left after Gus got blown away, but the darker that Walter White gets the more this show amazes. He's getting greedy now and that's not a good thing for everyone around him.

I really thought Todd was going to be an undercover operative who was working on the house burglaries and got mixed up into something bigger, but it shows what I know. I still think Walt Jr get hooked on the Blue stuff.

Only three more episodes until the extended hiatus. That's going to be the worst part of this season.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
Every character seems to be doing a 180.

Walt was a henpecked husband with no control. Now he's a ruthless kingpin.

Hank was a boorish oaf of a cop, but has become a more disciplined person.

Jesse was a scumbag loser, but is becoming the conscience of the show. Shooting the kid is not gonna sit well with him.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.79
    Originally posted by Zeruel

    Only 3 more episodes for this half of the season and then we have to wait until NEXT SUMMER to get the conclusion.




Wait! We get eight episodes then we have to wait 10 months for the last eight? I knew about the split season.... But really next summer??? What the hell? That gap makes the gap in season 2 of "The Walking Dead" seem like nothing.

I'll still watch, but damn!
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
Well, Hank knows. And now we gotta wait until next year...
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
For seven and a half episodes I have grown to hate Walter White, then in that last scene with the family you knew something was going to happen to change the game.

I suddenly felt panicked knowing Hank was going to put it together, but I hate Walter White ... and yet for some reason Hank's moment of clarity made me realize that I don't think I want Walt to get caught at all.

What an amazing show.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.27
I just started watching and breezed through most of the series mainly for the fast forward button on Skylar scenes. The real question is if Hank confronts Walt will he deny it or just point out the fact it was the meth money that got him to walk again. The other dynamic is if Walt goes down, you know he will take Skylar with him.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.95
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I just started watching and breezed through most of the series mainly for the fast forward button on Skylar scenes. The real question is if Hank confronts Walt will he deny it or just point out the fact it was the meth money that got him to walk again. The other dynamic is if Walt goes down you know he will take Skylar with him.


I have gone back on 100 different scenarios on how this show will end. Does Walt live and become a drug kingpin in New Hampshire? Who dies? Walt? Skylar? Jesse? Hank? all of them? I tried to look for hints in episodes but i can not find anyhting that would tell me how it ends.

And part of me wants to see Walt kill Hank and get away with it while the other part wants Hank to kill Walt and let Skylar live and stay with the kids.

Either way, I have never flip flopped on a character in terms of like and dislike as much as I have with Walter White. That is a testament to the outstanding writing, directing and acting in this show. I loook forward to watching all five seasons again prior to the final 8 next year.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.27
I think Jesse kills Walt. Walt has screwed him over so many times from his goth girlfriend to his now gf's son to not wanting to get out, Jesse would be justified in doing it. Yet, without Walt, Jesse would be doing 10-15 years for cooking meth if he rated him out in the first episode. Now, Jesse has probably a better life thanks to Walt. The more I think about it, the more Walt killing Jesse or Jesse killing Walt is inevitable.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.23
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think Jesse kills Walt.


If he does, it has to be in self defense. Don't forget, Walt has a M60 machine gun now. Since the end of season 3, Half Measures and Full Measures, Jesse has been slowly turning from the darkness and the light and Walt has been going down the other path towards full on Heisenberg.

Yes, Jesse killed Gale. That was 1) on Walt's orders and 2) out of self-preservation. It literally was Gale or Jesse (and Walt too). He regretted it fully ("Problem Dog") and with Todd killing the kid on the bike, he has had enough. Between his little brother, his GFs little brother, and this kid, he REALLY doesn't want to see kids harmed. He sees them truly as innocent and doesn't want them down his path (his brother) or just harmed in general. The more people had to die, the more Jesse pulled away from Walt. He would try to manipulate Jesse into coming back, but that kid was the last straw.

Jesse knows he is the only loose end left, as shown in the last episode as he had a gun when Walt visited, and I half expect it is Lydia that turns on Walt when cornered. Then the dominoes start to fall into place and Walt's old pot dealing buddy Pinkman is cornered by Hank with a mountain of evidence and he turns on Walt, maybe with a promise that while he can't keep his drug money (or it is stashed with Saul) that his brother can get it when he turns 18 or graduates college.

Between season 4 and 5, I read an online article about how how Cranston thought it was cool that they were filming a scene where he and Paul were having a running firefight down the streets of ABQ. Is it with each other vs the Cartel? Vs the DEA? Vs each other? I don't know but I can not wait. No matter how much I think I know where the show is going, they ALWAYS surprise me (except Mike dying, when they showed that gun, I knew it was all over).

I rewatched the whole series before Season 5 started and like Wpob, I'm going to rewatch it all again before the 2nd half of the season starts up next year.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.81
    Originally posted by Wpob
    I tried to look for hints in episodes but i can not find anyhting that would tell me how it ends.


According to Vince Gilligan (artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com), they haven't totally worked it out yet. They have an *idea* as to the ending, but it's not done.

I have some major complaints about these last 8 episodes. The high points were really great (and they were generally very entertaining episodes) - but I think there were way too many coincidences for the sake of plot. We had 7.5 episodes of Walt's empire building, 'all or nothing at all costs' bravado that simply fades away in a half episode montage. I think the setup for Mike's death was really poorly handled, as he behaved in precisely the careless and reckless way that was so counter to his standard modus operandi.

As to the remaining episodes, I think Walter either goes out as a form of redemption for the Hell and manipulation he has put Jesse and his family through - or he goes out in a Scarface-esque path of self-destruction.

And I don't get the Skylar hate at all. Sure, early on she was a total hypocrite, but I think this last season was the absolute best this character has come off. Who knew Seth Bullock's wife had those acting chops?



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.23
    Originally posted by Leroy


    I have some major complaints about these last 8 episodes. The high points were really great (and they were generally very entertaining episodes) - but I think there were way too many coincidences for the sake of plot. We had 7.5 episodes of Walt's empire building, 'all or nothing at all costs' bravado that simply fades away in a half episode montage.


3 things: 1) Remember in the flash forward, just after he makes the exchange, Walt coughs and takes a pill. 2) In the last episode, he is just cooking out of habit. He looks like there is no pleasure in it anymore. Jesse, arguably his only REAL friend, quit. Sky shows him this big pile of cash that he can't even spend in his lifetime. 3) After Sky shows him the money, he has another scan and he reflected on the paper towel dispenser.

I think the cancer is back. In the flash forward, he could have a hair piece or just stopped chemo. I think he reflected on the dispenser he trashed because he punched it out for his cancer NOT getting worse and I think now that it is getting worse, he reflected on his earlier reaction. The money, with the cancer, he decides that he is done. The quest to be on top was more thrilling than being on top.

If he had a cook, like Gus had with him, it would be different, but he IS the business and there is no need to go further. He VOWED that Jesse would see none of the money and after his latest scan, he gave Jesse all he was owed. I think he was trying to make peace.



    I think the setup for Mike's death was really poorly handled, as he behaved in precisely the careless and reckless way that was so counter to his standard modus operandi.


It was Walt's pride. He is Heisenberg, the man who killed Gus Fring. He had a moment of rage. Mike has punched him, kicked him, held a gun to his head at various times, and wouldn't give Walt the names of the people who could hang him. Like with Gale, he felt his back was against the wall. What if he let Mike go and "dealt" with the 10, Mike would just come back and get him. There was no way he was going to pay them off since they were already being watched for payoffs from the lawyer. They had to go, so Mike had to go.

Yes, Lydia could have given him the names but like she said, they could only be dealt with with Mike out of the picture. I believe he took the gun to off Mike after he got the names, just like he was going to off Lydia with the ricin.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.81
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    3 things: 1) Remember in the flash forward, just after he makes the exchange, Walt coughs and takes a pill. 2) In the last episode, he is just cooking out of habit. He looks like there is no pleasure in it anymore. Jesse, arguably his only REAL friend, quit. Sky shows him this big pile of cash that he can't even spend in his lifetime. 3) After Sky shows him the money, he has another scan and he reflected on the paper towel dispenser.


I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. I'm just saying that it was a huge jump from 7 episodes of "I'm in the empire business" to his disenchantment and retirement - at least in "viewer time". It was the entire season of Walt being an unbearably arrogant jerkoff - and the last 15 minutes of the episode he was back to being an everyday family man.

    Originally posted by Zeruel
    It was Walt's pride. He is Heisenberg, the man who killed Gus Fring. He had a moment of rage. Mike has punched him, kicked him, held a gun to his head at various times, and wouldn't give Walt the names of the people who could hang him. Like with Gale, he felt his back was against the wall. What if he let Mike go and "dealt" with the 10, Mike would just come back and get him. There was no way he was going to pay them off since they were already being watched for payoffs from the lawyer. They had to go, so Mike had to go.


I agree - but again, up until the final showdown between the two, Mike was the character that saw through Walt (and I would even make the case that the only reason Walt was able to kill Gus was due to Mike being incapacitated). So why have the guy you trust the absolute least be the guy to bring you your "go bag" (ensuring he's armed in the process)? I just felt that was done for the sake of getting them alone together. It felt really out of character for Mike.

I guess my biggest complaint is that this wasn't really a half of season, with was a short full season - and it suffered for it. I may very well eat those words come next summer, but right now, I feel it was lacking.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
    Originally posted by Leroy
    So why have the guy you trust the absolute least be the guy to bring you your "go bag" (ensuring he's armed in the process)? I just felt that was done for the sake of getting them alone together. It felt really out of character for Mike.
I might have just assumed this, but near the end of that episode when Mike was at the park with his granddaughter and the police appeared, I believe that he had to just up and leave here there alone. There didn't seem to be any feasible way for him to collect the girl, make a quick getaway, drop her off at her home, and go. THAT sure seemed like a very out of character thing for Mike to (have to) do. I always had the impression that while Mike was capable of extreme coldness and violence, he was also an extremely doting grandfather. If he did have to leave her there, that could have definitely led to the poor judgement of trusting Walt to get his "go bag".
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