The W
Views: 97654702
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
24.7.14 2252
The W - Pro Wrestling - Let the Brock Speculation begin
This thread has 20 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Thread rated: 6.19
Pages: 1 2 Next
(1267 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (32 total)
odessasteps
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02
From: MD, USA

Since last post: 37 days
Last activity: 4 days
#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04

Given the recent string of injuries to his main event level workers, will Vince offer up a Beagle Boys size bag of money to Brock for Wrestlemania?

Meltzer can let him know where RAW is this week at the post-fight press conference.



Mark Coale
Odessa Steps Magazine presents


RUSSIAN FLAG BURIAL - an examination of 1984 mid-south


Promote this thread!
Hokienautic
Liverwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: Blacksburg VA

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 53 min.
#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
For a little bit of context to this post -- Brock got his ass kicked tonight and announced his retirement from mixed martial arts immediately after the fight.
CHAPLOW
Morcilla








Since: 14.5.04
From: right behind you

Since last post: 37 days
Last activity: 37 days
#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.64
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    For a little bit of context to this post -- Brock got his ass kicked tonight and announced his retirement from mixed martial arts immediately after the fight.


For me that's actually the first thing that came to mind.

Im a big fan of Brock the pro wrestler... but this puts a damper on the cred of his persona non?



Please take a minute to follow my graphic design/animation team :]
on Facebook www.facebook.com/teamrenegade
on Twitter @teamrenegadehq
Big Bad
Scrapple








Since: 4.1.02
From: Dorchester, Ontario

Since last post: 4 days
Last activity: 19 hours
#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
If it means we don't have to sit through another Undertaker/Triple H bout, I'm all for Lesnar returning to take a crack at the Streak.

The thing is, however, there's no way WWE and Taker sacrifice the Streak to a guy that walked out of the company and is just making a one-off appearance. And I'm not sure Lesnar would agree to return just to do the job to someone. So if Brock does come back, perhaps it wouldn't be against Undertaker.

So the clear answer is, Lesnar/Goldberg II! :)



"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." --- Bart Giamatti, on baseball
hansen9j
Andouille








Since: 7.11.02
From: Riderville, SK

Since last post: 8 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
Primary assumption:
Brock will never return as a full-timer. And even as far as part-timers go, he'll be much more like Rock than Undertaker.

Secondary assumption:
WWE wants to maximize Lesnar's return.

Tertiary assumption:
Rock vs Cena is going to be considered a full-throttle effort, with hardly any other crossover considerations being made, especially after the possibility of Shaq vs. Show. Thus, Triple H vs Undertaker is a sufficient match for WWE's purposes, and thus Lesnar could be maximized elsewhere.

Conclusion:
No chance of Lesnar at this year's Wrestlemania, but I fully expect him at next year's, or maybe even this year's Summerslam.



The Big Bossman raised the briefcase.

Go Pack Go! (14-1, 1st NFC North). Owner of one (1) share.
Let's Go Riders! (5-13. At least we got the #1 pick; can we draft Andrew Luck?). Owner of one (1) share.
ekedolphin
Scrapple








Since: 12.1.02
From: Indianapolis, IN; now residing in Suffolk, VA

Since last post: 36 days
Last activity: 9 hours
#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.10
I'll take one at a time.

    Originally posted by hansen9j
    Primary assumption:
    Brock will never return as a full-timer. And even as far as part-timers go, he'll be much more like Rock than Undertaker.


Why do you assume that? Maybe he'll come back to WWE full-time. Or at least work a Triple H-like schedule.



    Secondary assumption:
    WWE wants to maximize Lesnar's return.



Agreed.



    Tertiary assumption:
    Rock vs Cena is going to be considered a full-throttle effort, with hardly any other crossover considerations being made, especially after the possibility of Shaq vs. Show. Thus, Triple H vs Undertaker is a sufficient match for WWE's purposes, and thus Lesnar could be maximized elsewhere.


Rock and Cena obviously is what will induce many people to buy WrestleMania, probably myself included. Shaq vs. Show will be good for cross-marketing, but it will not be a good match. Triple H/Undertaker has been done twice before at WrestleMania, and despite the "Damn it, I almost had him!" storyline of WM26, I don't think we really need to see it again.

Lesnar would obviously lose to Undertaker if he faced him at WrestleMania. But Lesnar need not come back just for WM; he can debut at Royal Rumble maybe. He could even show up as a surprise entrant and win the Royal Rumble. No one has ever made a debut or return by winning the Royal Rumble, and that would set the world on fire. Maybe Lesnar vs. CM Punk at WrestleMania.





    Conclusion:
    No chance of Lesnar at this year's Wrestlemania, but I fully expect him at next year's, or maybe even this year's Summerslam.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. I don't think they'll actually do it, but it would be absolutely amazing if they did. And Money in the Bank '11 proved that WWE can make amazing things happen when they put their mind to it.

(edited by ekedolphin on 31.12.11 0402)

(edited by ekedolphin on 31.12.11 0402)

"You can't make an omelet without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boots and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as an example to others."
--General Tarquin, The Order of the Stick

Fan of the Indianapolis Colts (Super Bowl XLI Champions), Indiana Pacers and Washington Nationals

Certified RFMC Member-- Ask To See My Credentials!

Co-Winner of Time's Person of the Year Award, 2006

Tribal Prophet
Andouille








Since: 9.1.02
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada

Since last post: 8 days
Last activity: 22 hours
#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    I'll take one at a time.

      Originally posted by hansen9j
      Primary assumption:
      Brock will never return as a full-timer. And even as far as part-timers go, he'll be much more like Rock than Undertaker.


    Why do you assume that? Maybe he'll come back to WWE full-time. Or at least work a Triple H-like schedule.


I have a better chance of going to the WWE on a full-time schedule than Lesnar does.

The guy walked away from being the next Hulk Hogan because he hated the travel needed to keep a full-time schedule. That was when he needed the WWE for money and not now, when he doesn't have to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to.





      Tertiary assumption:
      Rock vs Cena is going to be considered a full-throttle effort, with hardly any other crossover considerations being made, especially after the possibility of Shaq vs. Show. Thus, Triple H vs Undertaker is a sufficient match for WWE's purposes, and thus Lesnar could be maximized elsewhere.


    Rock and Cena obviously is what will induce many people to buy WrestleMania, probably myself included. Shaq vs. Show will be good for cross-marketing, but it will not be a good match. Triple H/Undertaker has been done twice before at WrestleMania, and despite the "Damn it, I almost had him!" storyline of WM26, I don't think we really need to see it again.

    Lesnar would obviously lose to Undertaker if he faced him at WrestleMania. But Lesnar need not come back just for WM; he can debut at Royal Rumble maybe. He could even show up as a surprise entrant and win the Royal Rumble. No one has ever made a debut or return by winning the Royal Rumble, and that would set the world on fire. Maybe Lesnar vs. CM Punk at WrestleMania.



Anyone who's going to see Wrestlemania is going to see it because of Rock/Cena. If they're going to bump Steve Austin from the show because they think he won't bring enough people in that weren't already going to buy it, Lesnar isn't going to be added to the card.

Having Lesnar show up as a surprise at the Royal Rumble would be the Triple Crown of the WWE royally screwing up big name returns. First Bret Hart's return matchis built up terribly, then The Rock's return to wrestling is ruined, and now you're giving away the return to the WWE of Lesnar for free? It would be better to have him show up on TV where at least you would pop a good rating for that hour. Unannounced at a PPV would just be a waste.

At the end of the day, Lesnar would make more money by signing a one time deal with McMahon as "The Greatest Fighter In The World" than he would if he signed on as a regular wrestler. He's a star now, and he should sign a star contract for one day of work plus promotions.


(edited by Tribal Prophet on 31.12.11 0347)
Kevintripod
Andouille








Since: 11.5.03
From: Mount Pleasant, Pa.

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 17 min.
AIM:  
#8 Posted on
If Brock does come back, I just hope they don't cut his legs out by having wrestlers or Michael Cole saying things like:

"Well look who came crawling back after not being able to cut it in MMA."

"Hey Brock...you came to the wrong place if you were tired of constantly getting your ass kicked."

(edited by Kevintripod on 31.12.11 0150)




"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill
It's False
Scrapple








Since: 20.6.02
From: I am the Tag Team Champions!

Since last post: 3 days
Last activity: 10 hours
#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.51
From JR's blog on Tuesday:


    Also, speaking of the former WWE Champion, IF Brock ever returns to WWE it will be for one, big mega event ala a Wrestlemania. Lesnar will NEVER go back on the road on any thing that even remotely resembles a part time schedule.


CM Punk was also telling stories about how much Brock hated life on the road, noting that Brock would have nothing better to do than pick fights and steal girlfriends.

Brock/Undertaker for next year's Wrestlemania sounds like a possibility if Vince threw enough money Brock's way.



Spiraling_Shape
Bratwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: PA

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
Annnnd...what if Brock and Vince have been working on this behind the scenes for a while? So perhaps THIS could be happening?

@IAmJericho
So obvious the 1/2-02 mystery man is Brock Lesnar. That fight was a joke #ufcisfixed @speewee #memphis




"Ice cream bars! Ice cream bars!" - RAW crowd, Boston, 7/11/11
Matt Tracker
Scrapple








Since: 8.5.03
From: North Carolina

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
I hope Lesnar isn't the kid standing in the corner and lead about by his sister. Paul Burchill, yes. Brock? No no no.

He doesn't need a gimmick to return. Just a match and a lot of small guys to toss around.

A WM match with Taker works if Taker is packaged as the crafty old lion challenged by the monstrous alpha male wannabe. Taker goes into the match older, wounded, and creaky and manages a win with the strength of will alone and retires the following Monday on RAW. Lesnar loses but gets to be the guy who retires Taker. Win-win. And then face Brock wrestles heel Cena at Summerslam.

Now, does Sable come back too?



"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
graves9
Frankfurter








Since: 19.2.10
From: Brooklyn NY

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 26 min.
#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    If Brock does come back, I just hope they don't cut his legs out by having wrestlers or Michael Cole saying things like:

    "Well look who came crawling back after not being able to cut it in MMA."

    "Hey Brock...you came to the wrong place if you were tired of constantly getting your ass kicked."

    (edited by Kevintripod on 31.12.11 0150)
I could defintely see them tearing him down for leaving in the first place like they have with The Rock. I mean you would hope they would learn that they hurt Rock's drawing power by doing that but I kinda doubt it.
BigDaddyLoco
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 2 hours
#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.46
    Originally posted by It's False


    Brock/Undertaker for next year's Wrestlemania sounds like a possibility if Vince threw enough money Brock's way.


I'm a little worried about what Taker has left for this Mania. The guy doesn't have much in the tank and he's looking a little frail especially for the gimmick he has.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 31.12.11 1203)
hansen9j
Andouille








Since: 7.11.02
From: Riderville, SK

Since last post: 8 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
/tip of the hat to Tribal Prophet
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by It's False


      Brock/Undertaker for next year's Wrestlemania sounds like a possibility if Vince threw enough money Brock's way.


    I'm a little worried about what Taker has left for this Mania. The guy doesn't have much in the tank and he's looking a little frail especially for the gimmick he has.
That's my fear as well; if we assume Brock for Mania '13, we might not be able to assume Taker is still around. Which leaves who, exactly? Punk/Lesnar? Sheamus/Lesnar? Wade Barrett/Lesnar? Put me down for him taking on another outsider; Goldberg is the first name that comes to mind. (Goldberg will come back for the right paycheck, and I think this is a right-paycheck kind of scenario.) [EDIT: Oh shit, I didn't see Big Bad say the same thing.]

And don't take comments from Jericho about UFC being fixed at face value. And definitely don't take comments from Jericho about 01/02 at face value.

(edited by hansen9j on 31.12.11 1426)


The Big Bossman raised the briefcase.

Go Pack Go! (14-1, 1st NFC North). Owner of one (1) share.
Let's Go Riders! (5-13, dead last). Owner of one (1) share.
Spiraling_Shape
Bratwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: PA

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by hansen9j
    And don't take comments from Jericho about UFC being fixed at face value. And definitely don't take comments from Jericho about 01/02 at face value.


Oh definitely there was some snarkiness in that tweet from him, just no one else had mentioned the possibility that 1/2/12 was Brock yet so I figured I'd cite the person who I saw suggest it first...even if that person COULD be the actual 1/2/12 person himself!

Ah wrestling mystery videos...



"Ice cream bars! Ice cream bars!" - RAW crowd, Boston, 7/11/11
Hogan's My Dad
Andouille








Since: 8.6.02
From: Canada

Since last post: 8 hours
Last activity: 8 hours
#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

I think we're being premature about Brock. Just because he doesn't want to fight doesn't mean Dana will just let him out of his contract Scot free. It would require Brock forfeiting a ton of money, and Brock doesn't seem like the sort to do that. I also think it's a MAJOR stretch to say he never has to work for the rest of his life, Tribal; he only made 5.3 million in 2010. I know that's not peanuts, but people are acting like he makes Mayweather coin.

EDIT: Also, did anyone see how Brock crumpled when he took that liver kick? After his medical issues, who's to say he can even take a bump?



(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 31.12.11 1340)


Quiet, Or Papa Spank!
JustinShapiro
Scrapple
Moderator








Since: 12.12.01
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 9 hours
Last activity: 1 hour
#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.77
First thing's first things, I think Brock is going to want to take more than a couple weeks to heal up from broken ribs/getting kicked in the surgical area/training for a fight. I also think it's mutually beneficial to him and to WWE business to put some distance between his WWE angle and a one-sided loss.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Now, does Sable come back too?


I think so. Not to wrestle Michelle McCool or anything, but as part of the Lesnar presentation. More importantly I think Paul Heyman would play a big part, at least with creative input; his WWE political enemies might try to freeze him out of an on-screen role.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by It's False


      Brock/Undertaker for next year's Wrestlemania sounds like a possibility if Vince threw enough money Brock's way.


    I'm a little worried about what Taker has left for this Mania. The guy doesn't have much in the tank and he's looking a little frail especially for the gimmick he has.


I think his frailty and washed-upedness is going to be incorporated into the way he works and the psychology of his Mania matches now. The dying gunslinger trying to will his body into hanging on just a little longer to preserve the streak. Him getting stretchered out last year and HHH's statements at the Slammys seem to lay the groundwork for that. And while he might be physically broken down, it's easier to work a match and get the crowd if you just sell big and act punch-drunk, especially the novelty of the Undertaker doing that. And I think this year's match will have Michaels as referee and might even have Triple H's career on the line, so a big part of the match can be carried by human drama of gestures and facial expressions. Plus wouldn't it be appropriate for HHH's retirement celebration to be the warm-up act for the Rock?

    Originally posted by hansen9j
    That's my fear as well; if we assume Brock for Mania '13, we might not be able to assume Taker is still around. Which leaves who, exactly?


Austin and Lesnar both seem to really like the idea of that as the unfulfilled dream match. Independent of what it would mean politically and resource-wise to put two special guests in a Wrestlemania main event against each other, it certainly seems like the biggest possible match for one night, even if it's turning two huge matches into one. Punk would certainly be really disappointed.

No one wants to hear it but I think Cena/Lesnar would be huge and great -- in a perfect world. Unfortunately I would've said Rock vs. Cena was can't miss/can't screw up too. In WWE execution the concept of dangerous UFC outsider coming to beat up the pro wrestling hero would probably still result in Cena smirking, self-deprecating, and crying about Brock not wrestling on Raw every week.

There's also the big Mania match we talk about every year, Undertaker vs. Cena with the psychological subtext of Taker being near-retirement and the golden boy being undeservedly handed the streak. But that's a match they've got in their pocket for as long as Taker is willing to do one match a year.

Let's play salad bar, build your own Mania:
Austin vs. CM Punk with Punk turning heel and doing straight edge promos
Austin vs. Lesnar with the backstory of the match 10+ years in the making
Lesnar vs. Undertaker as first teased last October and their own backstory
Lesnar vs. Cena
Cena vs. Undertaker
elevated new sta haha j/k
SKLOKAZOID
Bratwurst








Since: 20.3.02
From: California

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 1 hour
AIM:  
#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I think the timing is too good not to give Lesnar a match at WrestleMania. Neutering WrestleMania because there's "too many high profile matches" is bunk. It's a megacard and I'm sure there'll be plenty of high profile matches post-WrestleMania.

Brock doesn't have to be back full time. Lesnar had his era on top and can wrestle here and there on a schedule like The Rock. He's still a name and there's a strong narrative in Brock's return from UFC.

That said, I think it'd be a little weird to bring Lesnar in only to lose to The Undertaker (he just had a high profile loss). They already tried setting up UT/Lesnar at a UFC event a year ago (http://www.youtube.com/​​watch?​​v=zjHtxPew5Os), so it's not like this wasn't ever thought of.

So my bet is that it's either against someone else or Brock is a special guest referee for a match in a Mike Tyson role.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 31.12.11 1404)
redsoxnation
Scrapple








Since: 24.7.02

Since last post: 389 days
Last activity: 389 days
#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.96
Regarding Brock still having a UFC contract: It isn't like Brock hasn't set precedent before that he is willing to breach his contract.
Cerebus
Knackwurst








Since: 17.11.02

Since last post: 6 days
Last activity: 2 hours
#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
Yeah, I'm crazy...

Wouldn't it be fucking insane, if Dixie Carter threw a couple million to Brock to come in for a year?

TNA's ratings would instantly top anything the WWE would attempt. Brock could easily handle TNA's work schedule, minus the house shows. Spike TV would probably foot the entire cost thanks to it's relationship with Dana White and his UFC programming.

As I was saying... Yeah, I'm crazy for seeing TNA potentially getting the biggest signing in it's lifetime.



Forget it Josh... it's Cerebustown.
Pages: 1 2 Next
Thread rated: 6.19
Pages: 1 2 Next
Thread ahead: 1/2/12 - What's your guess?
Next thread: SmackDown #645 12-30-11
Previous thread: WWE Superstars #143 12/29/11
(1267 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Well Russo didn't. But I did enjoy seeing Sabu, as bad as the match was. His opponent (Malice) sells bumps and landings as bad as Annie on Tough Enough 2.
- Mr Heel II, the big TNA surprise (spoilers) (2002)
Related threads: Randy Orton injured at 12/30/11 SD taping - Jack Swagger's wife does porn while Jack Swagger does a new internet show. - C.M. Punk interview from April 2004 - More...
The W - Pro Wrestling - Let the Brock Speculation beginRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.432 seconds.