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If they don't play this on WWE TV they hate money:

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ELEVEN MINUTES?!

I'll watch it when I have eleven minutes. Or maybe someone will hit the high points for me...."recap" it, if you will?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
He debuted at Survivor Series '96 at MSG. Survivor Series is once again at MSG this year. So that's what he's eluding to, huh?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.20
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I'll watch it when I have eleven minutes. Or maybe someone will hit the high points for me...."recap" it, if you will?


I made it nearly a minute in before I got bored. It started with a clip of Cena talking trash about The Rock during the Australian tour, pointing out that Rocky said he wasn't going to leave again. Then The Rock bitches about Cena talking trash about him when he wasn't even there. So, basically, The Rock was saying that you're not allowed to bitch about him not being around unless he's around. I'm going to try that logic if I ever get fired for not coming to work. "You can't fire me, I'm not there! Now you can't fire me for not showing up because I'm obviously here!"
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
The Rock never should have said he was never leaving. Even when he initially said it, I took it more in the spiritual sense (also in the contractual sense as he had no contract before and now he does), but of course, "never leaving" was taken literally. Even though The Rock "never leaving" is an impossibility - he has a much better, higher-paying, higher-profile full time job.

Of course, John Cena is running with the "never leaving" line. Because, as John Cena constantly stumps it, the Greatest Thing One Can Ever Do is be a WWE Superstar and appear on RAW every week to entertain the Greatest People in the World, the WWE Universe. Never mind that The Rock, as Dwayne Johnson, primarily exists in a universe outside the WWE Universe - call it the real world - and entertains millions and millions of people both inside and outside the WWE Universe.

Cena harping on The Rock "not being around" is really all he has as a talking point. In most every other aspect, The Rock equals and/or exceeds Cena and his accomplishments in WWE. The Rock has done everything Cena's so proud to do and is (co-)starring (to be fair) in Hollywood mega-blockbusters that Cena will never do. But to do that, The Rock can't be around every week. The nerve of him.



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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    He debuted at Survivor Series '96 at MSG. Survivor Series is once again at MSG this year. So that's what he's eluding to, huh?


Is Rock conveniently forgetting the whole "Rocky sucks" era? He and Cena share more than a few things in common about getting a mixed reaction from the fans.



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I thought it was great and I howled at a couple of the Rock's lines, but the bottom-line is that CM Punk has been doing it better (and live) the last three weeks.



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This is bullet points so you miss some Rockisms:

-Cena trashes Rock for saying he's back for good.

-Rock says being back for good doesn't mean back at every show. There's no reasons to do that because he's done it all. Cena still has to do that or he'd get fired.

-Rock says that when Cena was in college majoring in "Douchenomics" he and the boys were part of the greatest era in wrestling history.

-Rock says that he IS back. That he DOES care. If he didn't care he wouldn't come back, because he sure doesn't need the money. He says that as much as Cena claims to wrestle out of love he's doing it for money.

-Cena clip of him saying that he's not an actor, he's a professional wrestler.

-Rock says that Cena begs and grovels for all the fans to like him, but no matter how much he does he will ALWAYS get a "Cena Sucks" echo on every "Cena" chant.

-Rock says Cena puts on his wrist bands every night like a "Transvestite Wonder Woman" to fight crime and prays that the men in the crowd will finally like him. Rock says the real men will never like him because he's a phony. He graduated Boston Private School and now talks about Thuganomics and Hustle Loyalty and Respect.

-Rock says he's pissed off and ain't waiting for Mania, he's gonna whip Cena's ass "Where it all started, where Rock's dreams came true, that historic arena."


So yeah, sounds like MSG. It can be argued that the fans weren't exactly chanting his name, but maybe he's leaving Cena some ammo for a rebuttal.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
Punk got Rock here:

@CMPunk CM Punk
“@TheRock: WWE Universe/Team Bring It - John Cena runs his mouth (again). I answer. bit.ly/nItAt7” VIA SATELLITE.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
I saw that. Speaking of, Punk is currently getting roughly one tweet a SECOND. To compare, Charlie Sheen gets 2-3 a MINUTE.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
Another weak part of Cena's rebuttal on Monday was his defense of Rock. Punk took shots at Dwayne, and Cena repeated Rock's line about finally coming back home. Punk said "don't go there." But Cena's comment only proved Punk right: for a guy who celebrated coming back home, he hasn't been on WWE TV since April.

They don't need to repeat the pre-WM rhetoric, and they can't add any more to it.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.15
Survivor Series would be the 15th anniversary of Rock's debut too. That's pretty convenient and a good selling point for a PPV that hasn't had a good selling point in years.

I don't think factcheck.orging their promos is really necessary since they're being done to sell their match and 'real' issue, not be crowned king rhetorician. Although part of the fun of the match is people choosing sides. I'm just glad they've gone back to strong personal dislike after the panic handshake stuff after Mania.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Another weak part of Cena's rebuttal on Monday was his defense of Rock.


Well, that wasn't a defense. He was conflating Rock and Punk lying to the fans, which Punk found insulting.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 13.7.11 1531)
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I used to defend Cena on this very board but Rock has really encapsulated better than anyone why after all these years John still gets booed out of every building. The most salient point the Rock makes is that Cena is a phony. When Cena says he's a "professional wrestler", he seems to be forgetting that he tried to make movies, he tried to release a rap album, and if these outside project hadn't completely bombed he'd have happily left. Everything about his gimmick is completely contrived. That lack of authenticity really hurts him. When he goes on and on about not being "edgy" but being proud that he's for the kids in constant press interviews it's annoying for those of us that remember when he was rapping about lesbian threeways and going on Howard Stern talking about nailing obese chicks. And back then, it was entertaining, because it seemed like it was the real him.

Now granted, a lot of that isn't his fault. WWE are the ones not letting him rap, etc. But it's not the Rock's fault he isn't wrestling every week. And anyone with a brain knows, especially after that horrid "Happy Birthday Rock" episode of RAW, that each additional appearance Rock makes renders him less and less special as an attraction and can only serve to diminish his value as time goes on. Add to that the fact that anyone who thought a 38-year-old movie star was going on the road full-time for WWE was an idiot. And as was pointed out, the very first time anyone makes a comeback; Foley, Hogan, Austin, etc., it means a lot. And each subsequent time it means less. That match may already mean less than it could have, so there's no point in Rock making even more superfluous appearances.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
While the idea of the Rock coming back full time was totally ludicrous, and nobody should have taken him at his word when he said he was back forever, the fact is that he gave Cena that talking point. While everybody on here is totally right when they say keeping him off television adds gravity to when the Rock does show up, the issue is that Rock said he was back. He now says he didn't mean back for every show, but Cena's right when he calls him out for not being at any shows. Ideally, we'd all go back in time and the Rock wouldn't make stupid promises in the first place.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
In the interest of fairness, the John Cena response:

@JohnCena John Cena
CeNation. Just saw Dwayne's statement. Via satellite of course. Sad, really. It was like an episode of mad money

@JohnCena John Cena
I wonder if GLAAD will be offended by Dwayne's comments.

@JohnCena John Cena
Either way..looks like I have really made him mad. But, certainly not mad enough to show up and do anything. Maybe he can send a stuntman.

@JohnCena John Cena
Dwayne. I am a WWE employee, and a proud one. The difference between us is you left for 'greener pastures'. For me...this is what I love.

@JohnCena John Cena
I have never begged for anyones admiration or acceptance, u don't believe me..watch MITB. Its not about that. Its about showing up.

@JohnCena John Cena
Id rather wrestle a thousand 'punks' than one 'rock'. Because I can see his passion. Wish I could see yours...yer just never there.

@JohnCena John Cena
Until april 1st. Keep on bringing it my man. You're doing great. Your friend John Cena

My goodness, is he bland and boring. Where the hell is this guy? (youtu.be)

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71


I instead wonder why they're doing this now, right before the apex of the Punk angle. They're not trying to make us think Rock will get involved are they?



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
The Rock did say, "I'm back to stay". He didn't say, "I'm back but will only be popping in every now and then sporadically".

I think it is funny how Cena is constantly getting mocked for wearing the "fruity pebble" colored hat, shirt and wristbands, even mocking himself, yet he still wears it week in and week out.

EDIT: The timing is kinda odd, combined with Punk's name-dropping of Dwayne in almost all of his recent promos. Something may be up here.....

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
Isn't it obvious?

Rock is winning MITB, but then refusing to cash in so that his nemesis Cena gets fired. He'll give his old friend Steve Austin the briefcase so that he can cash in on Punk at Wrestlemania, since Punk was lured back by the promise of a lifetime supply of ice cream bars. Cena will have avoided being fired by beating everyone who was ever in Nexus in a handicap match decided by the shocking return of Michael Tarver.

(all kidding aside, Chicago IS where Rock made his first Mania appearance...)

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.98
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    it's annoying for those of us that remember when he was rapping about lesbian threeways and going on Howard Stern talking about nailing obese chicks. And back then, it was entertaining, because it seemed like it was the real him.


You and I usually agree on a lot of points, and although I try to keep my nose out of the topic of this conversation, I kind of take issue with this point.

Like many of you, I recall what preceded "Austin 3:16" and remember fondly the Attitude Era, but is this what "the audience" (whoever that may be--either the IWC or whoever is chanting, "Cena sucks!" at shows) wants in their heroes/face characters? A stereotypical frat-boy douchebag?*

I'm not speaking of you specifically, HMD, but so many (older) fans today complain about WWE's desire to appeal to a younger demographic but then want personalities who speak/act as if they're fresh out of middle school. Unless, again, I am missing something and it's not so much about what is being said so much as it is about authenticity. But even if that's the case, I don't get how someone like Punk is any different than Cena; he's just appealing to the other end of the spectrum--the indy/hipster end. (Even has the mustache and tats for it, all he needs now is a fixed-gears bike.)

Whether it's wearing Macho-styled tights (yes, it was a tribute, but humor me...), mentioning randomly Dick Murdoch or ice cream bars in promos, or any of the other myriad things he says and does (Oh, look, he's tweeting about his passionate discussion of the Bruno vs. Macho feud!), he's just as disingenuous as Cena in his appeal to disenfranchised fans wanting a "purer" product. And he knows this and has made it work for him his entire career.

*Morals and taste are subjective, and I'm not a prude. I'm just saying...



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.15
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      He debuted at Survivor Series '96 at MSG. Survivor Series is once again at MSG this year. So that's what he's eluding to, huh?


    Is Rock conveniently forgetting the whole "Rocky sucks" era? He and Cena share more than a few things in common about getting a mixed reaction from the fans.


The funny part of that is that because of the nature of his success as a draw, the Cena act never got to benefit from being the big heel to become the big face, which has been this longtime truism in wrestling (obv not 100% applicable to everyone, but a conventional wisdom). He first caught on as a heel, but he was turned really quickly and went through his entire push to the top as a face. Whereas Rock was rejected by the fans as a face, became a major heel and then an accepted major face.

Orton was rejected by the fans the first time they tried him as a top face, became an even stronger heel and then an accepted top face. Punk is about to become a much bigger face than he ever was before by being such a strong heel. Austin became the top face by being the strong heel. Hogan turned heel when he was played out as a face and was then able to go face later without the backlash. Even Vince became the Omnipotent God of Wrestling he/his character is basically seen as now (acts like a heel for funsies but is more or less a face to be in awe of when he's not feuding with anyone) by playing the big heel for so long.


    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    But even if that's the case, I don't get how someone like Punk is any different than Cena; he's just appealing to the other end of the spectrum--the indy/hipster end. ... he's just as disingenuous as Cena in his appeal to disenfranchised fans wanting a "purer" product. And he knows this and has made it work for him his entire career.


I might go the opposite. CM Punk is probably my favorite act (left), but from what we 'know' about him, he seems so obnoxiously 'authentic' that I would probably personally dislike him a good bit. I agree with you that to some degree it's his 'gimmick' or the extension of himself he's decided to use for wrestling, but I don't doubt those are his real values and personality. (Listen to Maria K. fawn over him as the most compelling man ever, and that's after he supposedly dumped her in a text message.)

At the same time, it's not hard at all to see what a pain in the ass he must be to be around. I don't think that's disingenuity so much as it is vanity. But I think that attitude and self-confidence have been one of the biggest reasons for the success he's had in wrestling, and for me it can be kind of refreshingly different for wrestling, even if I'd roll my eyes hard at the dude quoting Rancid or whatever IRL.

I feel kind of dumb psychoanalyzing a guy who I know from TV, twitter, and one Colt Cabana podcast but hey. Don't get me started on what's happened to Jericho and his midlife crisis of pomposity.
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