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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65

You know what's occurred to me? I don't think WWE has even released any CM Punk DVD box sets in six years! (I certainly didn't see any on Amazon).

CM Punk has consistently been the greatest promo guy in the business for the last couple years, and has done excellent at every role WWE has put him in. Assuming they continue to book him this well, this has the potential to be the greatest phase of Punk's career since those all-too-brief few weeks after he cashed the Money in the Bank briefcase in on Jeff Hardy and went tweener.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Based on the mic cutting out right after he indirectly mentioned Steph and her husband, it seems more likely Triple H would come out to defend the company.



I thought he not only directly mentioned them, but insulted them pretty strongly in doing so.

They could go any way they want with who faces him really. All they need to do is put Austin/Cena/Triple H/Any Other Face up against him and give them a half-baked reason to defend Vince or the WWE. Punk has done such a good job with this promo that the face side of the equation needs little work or justification.
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Based on the mic cutting out right after he indirectly mentioned Steph and her husband, it seems more likely Triple H would come out to defend the company.



    I thought he not only directly mentioned them, but insulted them pretty strongly in doing so.

    They could go any way they want with who faces him really. All they need to do is put Austin/Cena/Triple H/Any Other Face up against him and give them a half-baked reason to defend Vince or the WWE. Punk has done such a good job with this promo that the face side of the equation needs little work or justification.


So they have two options:

1) Find someone new to take advantage of this.

2) Go for the "moment" and find someone who WILL gather the biggest face pop around, which will then be magnified.

A) Triple H.
B) Austin.
C) Undertaker.
D) JERICHO.



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Wow this kind of reminded me of the final weeks back in 97 I think when Bret Hart was a heel. Maybe CM Punk got wind Vince was gonna screw him?
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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    The Nexus analogy is a good one because I have only a shade more faith in this creative team than I do TNA's.


The important, hopeful differences are that
1) Punk will have a lot more input and savvy in what he does than the Nexus rookies did.

2) they, ostensibly, only have to avoid screwing it up for three weeks and one match, which is the basic shelf life of a WWE pumpkin carriage.
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      The Nexus analogy is a good one because I have only a shade more faith in this creative team than I do TNA's.


    The important, hopeful differences are that
    1) Punk will have a lot more input and savvy in what he does than the Nexus rookies did.

    2) they, ostensibly, only have to avoid screwing it up for three weeks and one match, which is the basic shelf life of a WWE pumpkin carriage.


So, we're saying it's 50/50?
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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by El Nastio


      A) Triple H.
      B) Austin.
      C) Undertaker.
      D) JERICHO.


    Triple H is currently the most logical, but how much of a face reaction would he get. I sure as hell wouldn't cheer for him, but I can't even see the current crop of fans getting behind the guy that runs the company because he screwed/married the millionaire's daughter. He would have to cut a hell of a good and logical face promo and can HHH do that? More likely he'd make some smarmy comments about Punk and the IWC.

    Undertaker doesn't work on any level. There are better choices.

    Jericho would be interesting as hell. They are VERY similar. Both came in as internet darlings who pissed off the lockerroom. Both were argueabley the best talents at the time and were wasted in spite of it. But like Austin, there is more of a reason for Jericho to defend Punk than Vince.

    Austin is the dream feud because the are both polar opposites. Straight Edge Vs Beer Drinking. Chicago City Boy Vs Texas Redneck. But the whole defending the McMahons thing isn't ideal. Of course Austin could come out and say he doesn't give a damn about the McMahons but is defending the BUSINESS and the old code of doing things the right way. But I would think that would go over the average fan's head.

    Also throw in The Rock. He's already booked, but there is a hell of a lot of fuel for that fire now.
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.83
They are going to make it Cena and no one else who stands up for the company. Everything is designed to make Cena look better than anyone else. Its a great moment, but the writing is on the wall that they will make Cena again the great defender of truth, justice and WWE PG.

Even if you did dream booked it, Austin and Jericho on twitter said Punk's promo was great. So, it runs into the social media gray area. HHH will shoot promo right back at Punk for being a mark for himself, how indy he is and the reason WWE never markets him is due to no one liking him. Of course, Punk has the greatest counter of them all, HHH marrying the boss' daughter to get to be the King of Kings instead of HBK's bag boy. If allowed to go all out which I doubt after last night, it would be a very awkward turtle moment. Rock since Punk said his name a few times you would think would get involved, but he seems more interested in talking about Team Bring It and taking shots at Cena then to lower himself to talk about someone like Punk.

I would love to see Austin wrestle Punk, but I just can't see Austin siding with Vince. If they do try to shoehorn him in there, it would just seem wrong. Taker is in no shape to wrestle last we heard and is saving himself for Mania, but he could surprise us.



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
I really thought the insults of HHH and Steph were mild and almost in a "oh yeah, I better insult them too" manner. "Idiotic daugher and doofus son-in-law" just didn't strike me that strongly, but I may be so full of indifference to the couple that I discounted it.



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

The NEXUS angle was so incredibly overrated. I don't care how good the the first few weeks were, it was a pack of green guys. Not one of whom could be depended upon to deliver in the ring. This Punk promo is in a completely separate stratosphere, a damn-near perfect promo which will be going in the trophycase among the best moments ever. My only gripe with it is when he referred to Vince's "imaginary" brass rings. Too Russo-esque and it undercuts the whole thrust of the angle, him taking the belt away. I also wonder, as great as it was, if he'll be shit on later for it.



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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.17
That ending Punk promo was just beautiful. I want to see how serious they are about pushing the whole "He went off the rails and we had to cut him off" sentiment. An angle like this loses any sense of realism if they show the angle in its entirety on Friday's SmackDown.

I do agree with some of the sentiments I've seen that the New Nexus is the elephant in the room. They don't fit anywhere in this angle, it's not logical that they'd stand behind a guy that's clearly on his way out, and they aren't really doing anything anyway, so why keep them around?

    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Read the spoilers for next week's show and like where this might be going.

I disagree. The spoilers nearly killed my enthusiasm for the Punk angle and where it's going, but that's a discussion for next week's Raw.

Good to see that the first airtime that Drew McIntyre's gotten in a month and he's comedy fodder. I'll be shocked if he isn't future endeavored by this time next year, which is really sad considering how much he's improved.

Morrison not getting thrown into the MitB match is a shocker. That injury must be worse than anyone thought.



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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
A young Punk meet Stone Cold--

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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.16
    Originally posted by lotjx
    They are going to make it Cena and no one else who stands up for the company. Everything is designed to make Cena look better than anyone else.


I don't think Cena (or whoever is in charge of Cena) is that insecure. Cena carries the flag; I don't think you're going to see C.M. Punk doing Subway commercials anytime soon.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    HHH will shoot promo right back at Punk for being a mark for himself...


And he'd be absolutely correct. Punk is a pro wrestling hipster.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Of course, Punk has the greatest counter of them all, HHH marrying the boss' daughter to get to be the King of Kings instead of HBK's bag boy.


An old comeback that becomes more irrelevant the longer HHH wrestles three times a year. Also, I wouldn't go shot-for-shot with HHH or HBK; they've been there too long and know too much about how the company and the people in it work. Within the context of this angle and Punk's promo, all either of them would have to say is, "Cool story, bro. Welp, see ya later."

Punk is Roddy Piper, not Steve Austin. That is to say, Punk is a jerk like Piper was a jerk. Piper really never changed his personality, he just kind of accepted that people (or at least wrestling fans) seem to really like cynical, sarcastic jerks. That's Punk's biggest strength: the fact that he is, seemingly, a jerk by nature. Winning titles and having prestige was never Piper's concern, just like it doesn't seem to be C.M. Punk's; all Piper really wanted to do was hurl rocks at the hornets nest as someone was walking by it and laugh.

Who is he rebelling against--The fans? WWE? The industry? What does Punk get if he "wins?"--Moral/philosophical high ground about what the industry should be? The world title of a company he doesn't necessarily respect because it doesn't necessarily respect him? I guess I'm a bit confused. Was his promo just meant to be the totality of the internet/IWC's rage since WWE became the only game in town? (What percentage of the fan-base do they make up nowadays?)

Who are you supposed to cheer for in this situation and what's the dynamic of the company/its talent when it's all over?



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#74 Posted on
That was a moment few wrestlers get in their careers and CM Punk was ready and lived up to it. That was the shot in the arm that WWE needs. CM Punk's been one of the most talented guys in WWE for a while now and I hope they continue this momentum. I loved that he was wearing a "Stone Cold" shirt.

Cena can be champion for as long as he wants over the next year if he keeps being a great jumping point for guys like R-Truth and CM Punk to play off against and take themselves to the next level. I'm thinking like how Bret Hart was for Austin.

Punk's already been a world champ, but last night he really seemed he had an "Austin 3:16" moment.

I can only hope that they learned from the Nexus stuff last year and make the most out of this. I'd love to see a one year WrestleMania chase angle for CM Punk starting with this.


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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Anybody been following Chris Jericho lately? I wonder what he thinks of all this.
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by CajunMan
    Anybody been following Chris Jericho lately? I wonder what he thinks of all this.


If only...if only there were some way for Chris Jericho to instantly communicate with his fans! Some sort of...well, like some kind of network...but more SOCIAL. Yes, if only...

    Originally posted by @IAmJericho
    Congrats to @cmpunk and Vince McMahon for doing something tonight that hasn't been done in awhile...make history.





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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.83
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by lotjx
      They are going to make it Cena and no one else who stands up for the company. Everything is designed to make Cena look better than anyone else.


    I don't think Cena (or whoever is in charge of Cena) is that insecure. Cena carries the flag; I don't think you're going to see C.M. Punk doing Subway commercials anytime soon.

      Originally posted by lotjx
      HHH will shoot promo right back at Punk for being a mark for himself...


    And he'd be absolutely correct. Punk is a pro wrestling hipster.

      Originally posted by lotjx
      Of course, Punk has the greatest counter of them all, HHH marrying the boss' daughter to get to be the King of Kings instead of HBK's bag boy.


    An old comeback that becomes more irrelevant the longer HHH wrestles three times a year. Also, I wouldn't go shot-for-shot with HHH or HBK; they've been there too long and know too much about how the company and the people in it work. Within the context of this angle and Punk's promo, all either of them would have to say is, "Cool story, bro. Welp, see ya later."

    Punk is Roddy Piper, not Steve Austin. That is to say, Punk is a jerk like Piper was a jerk. Piper really never changed his personality, he just kind of accepted that people (or at least wrestling fans) seem to really like cynical, sarcastic jerks. That's Punk's biggest strength: the fact that he is, seemingly, a jerk by nature. Winning titles and having prestige was never Piper's concern, just like it doesn't seem to be C.M. Punk's; all Piper really wanted to do was hurl rocks at the hornets nest as someone was walking by it and laugh.

    Who is he rebelling against--The fans? WWE? The industry? What does Punk get if he "wins?"--Moral/philosophical high ground about what the industry should be? The world title of a company he doesn't necessarily respect because it doesn't necessarily respect him? I guess I'm a bit confused. Was his promo just meant to be the totality of the internet/IWC's rage since WWE became the only game in town? (What percentage of the fan-base do they make up nowadays?)

    Who are you supposed to cheer for in this situation and what's the dynamic of the company/its talent when it's all over?


The spoilers pretty much confirm that Cena is that insecure. Its an old comment, doesn't mean its not a true comment. Do you really think we would have suffered through 2002 to 2006 on Raw if he wasn't marrried to Steph? I don't think so. I am not saying he wouldn't have been a world champ, I just don't think he would be the King of Kings of world champs.

I think its fairly obvious even before the spoilers, that Punk is the heel. He even told the fans to shut up when they were cheering him. Sometimes a tree is just a tree. Bret said it best on twitter, the promos that are from the heart are the best promos. He just tore the WWE a new one, the same way Austin tore Jake Roberts after KOTR or Flair and the Horsemen would do before WarGames. There is a hint of truth in those promos that people connect with. A lot of people seem to connect with the promos and they don't all live in IWC world.



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The spoilers pretty much confirm that Cena is that insecure. Its an old comment, doesn't mean its not a true comment. Do you really think we would have suffered through 2002 to 2006 on Raw if he wasn't marrried to Steph? I don't think so. I am not saying he wouldn't have been a world champ, I just don't think he would be the King of Kings of world champs.
1. Stop talking about spoilers

2. When you say "Cena" above, I have to think you probably meant "HHH," not that it makes this argument any more insightful/interesting so maybe let's just drop it ok thank you drive through please



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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
Should have made Cena/R Truth a pillow match. And, I haven't seen anyone work an arm like Bella since Arn Anderson.
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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
The WWE has sort have killed this angle in under 24 hours.

From: wwe.com (so it's not a spoiler)




    UPDATE: As of Tuesday, June 28, WWE and CM Punk have reached an agreement that Punk will fulfill his non-televised live event obligations for the remainder of his contract, through July 17. Furthermore, both sides have mutually agreed not to disparage one another.



I guess they "unsuspended" him because having no CM Punk to build up for the Chicago PPV would have killed it. Also having no CM Punk on the overseas tour later this week would be a disaster.

And Punk isn't allowed to bash McMahon anyone?????

Grrrr....I think the problem with this great promo is that they aired it with the next Raw being pre-taped, spoiling it. They should have done this a week earlier, said NOTHING, then followed up on this week's Raw.

Still, one of the greatest promos in years.
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