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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
Since I watched most of it, I guess I will comment. Kong should have stayed as an independent if this was the best WWE can come up for her. Her character is now dead. Punk is all class and I am sure he begged Bret to throw him in the Sharpshooter just for fun or Bret offered it to him since they are twitter pals to keep some heat on Punk. Big Show/Kane was like watching some weird man going into labor thing, it went on to long. Miz/Riley was ok, but the wrong person turned face even though Riley's beatdown of Miz was epic. Kofi/Drew was a nice match and I like Kofi's ending for it. Swagger/Bourne was a squash with a twist. It was a very confusing Raw from Cole's apology to the sudden turn of A-Ri to Kharma breaking down to the Obama dream thing. Capital Punishment and I thought Extreme Rules was dumb ass name for a PPV.

(edited by lotjx on 24.5.11 0725)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Since I watched most of it, I guess I will comment. Kong should have stayed as an independent if this was the best WWE can come up for her. Her character is now dead.
    (edited by lotjx on 24.5.11 0725)


If she comes out to the crowd booing her next week and off of our screen the following week, I'll agree. Until then, PLEASE, PLEASE stop.

I also loved everything about Punk last night, too.

I just updated my Netflix que and "That's What I Am" is already available instant streaming. I'll watch this one with the kids this week.

Between Thome's two two-run homers last night, (now up to 593), and Savage's video, it was a good night.


Until the Twin's bullpen showed up. But, that's for another thread.

-edit- Oh, and God Bless the dude yelling out "GIVE HER A HUG~!" to the divas.

(edited by JimBob Skeeter on 24.5.11 0754)
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
The Kharma thing is weird, but I'm not sure why people suddenly think her entire character is dead and she'll never be interesting ever again. She's spent three weeks killing people with nothing stopping her, they're obviously not going to simply throw all that out.

Punk and Bret interacting/Punk seemingly being primed for a run at Cena: sign that he's staying, or WWE squeezing the maximum amount of juice from a departing star?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
I applaud Punk for the tribute outfit, but I can't help thinking Rey shoulda worn it, a face should have worn it. But I'm glad to see it. Great, great Savage video.

Riley needed a finisher to put Miz down. That was the only thing missing from that segment.

Until we see here Kharma's head was at, I'll hold off judgment. I hope this makes her out to be bug-nuts daffy instead of a cliched sad bully.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Capital Punishment and I thought Extreme Rules was dumb ass name for a PPV.

    (edited by lotjx on 24.5.11 0725)


They're calling it Capitol Punishment, which is even dumber, unless they're setting up the ring under the rotunda of the actual Capitol Building. If I remember from school, CAPITOL is the building and CAPITAL is the city.

So with Michael Cole, after week in week out heelness with the Cole Mine, royalty, Swagger beatdowns, we're supposed to forget all that and everything is back to normal and he's just a regular announcer again? Okay?

I love the R-Truth heel turn because it actually makes sense. He was getting nowhere with the rapping and dancing. He's like a lunatic who has a point. Rooster from Brewster? He's like the new Roddy Piper, you never know what non-sequitir is coming out of his mouth next.

Yay Dolph's blond again.

The Miz should have listened to Bill Simmons, who warned him that Alex Riley would turn on him. (Kayfabe Miz: "What are you talking about? He's totally loyal to me")

CM Punk just gets more entertaining each time. Love the tribute trunks.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I applaud Punk for the tribute outfit, but I can't help thinking Rey shoulda worn it, a face should have worn it. But I'm glad to see it.


Punk wore it because he loved Randy Savage. It wasn't a case where there was a meeting in the back, someone pulled out a pair of Savage's trunks and asked, "Who's wearing this?" and Punk was the only one who raised his hand. "No, no, it should be a babyface!"

Remember when Yokozuna died? Undertaker wrestled on RAW wearing a Yokozuna shirt. When someone dies, kayfabe goes out the window.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Punk wore it because he loved Randy Savage. It wasn't a case where there was a meeting in the back, someone pulled out a pair of Savage's trunks and asked, "Who's wearing this?" and Punk was the only one who raised his hand. "No, no, it should be a babyface!"

    Remember when Yokozuna died? Undertaker wrestled on RAW wearing a Yokozuna shirt. When someone dies, kayfabe goes out the window.


I admit this is the picking of nits, but I'd rather see the Savage tribute-draped wrestler win the match. Or at least hit the elbow.

We got an extended tribute video and a Savage outfit in the main event, and I won't poo-poo that 1-2 punch.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
"I WANT MY SON BACK!" out of nowhere was amazingly close to "I just want my kids back" and equally awesome. Ron Killings as R-Truth as Thomas Jane as Tom Jane as Homeless Dad? I give that segment 800 stars on that alone, even without the Eusta, the Rooster from Brewster. And maybe even better than the rooster thing (but not as good as I WANT MY SON BACK) was Truth asking Bret to guess how many title (shots?) he'd had, and when Bret wasn't sure, answering him by drawing a gigantic Air Zero while saying, and I quote, "Zzzznnnnnrrrrrrrrrrr-WOOOOOOOOOP!"

With Miz and Del Rio presumably having something to do for the next month, it looks like there's at least an outside chance they run a little more with Cena vs. Truth, which looks like it has the potential to be as crazy as we'd all hoped. Having a suddenly, wildly entertaining guy like Truth line up so perfectly with Cena as former friends, former hip hop enthusiasts and Cena as the symbol of Truth's conspiracy theories is just too good to pass up.

And of course, they had the added tragic weight of Cena, Truth and Bret as all former members of the Alliance To Destroy The Nexus. Wade Barrett's mysterious, long-running plans continue to unfold.

Best part of the Show car assault - even above the previously mentioned cadre of identical bald guys and the revelation of Kane's emotional connection to his partner - was Ricardo just sitting calmly in the car as it continued to crush Show's leg. His non-reaction was either that of genuine shock that this terrible accident had happened, or the cold-blooded affect of a truly depraved mind, and Ricardo's character is so complex that either take is valid at this point, naturally. Also loved Del Rio immediately putting the blame totally on Ricardo. I kind of wish they'd spent one more week teasing Del Rio/Ricardo vs. Miz/Riley, if only to see whether Del Rio and Rodriguez would get a pseudo-face reaction from the crowd like I think they would.

Quick diversion to the negative: yeah, it's early yet and all that, but that Kharma segment bombed. There's still a chance it could be going somewhere, but being this close to the Nexus Anniversary, it's also hard to ignore this last year of great ideas followed by terrible conclusions. The Straight Edge Society, Bret's return, the Nexus invasion, Cena's servitude, the Cole/Lawler feud and many more: we're in the middle of a curious run of excellent story ideas that quickly and brutally fizzle out, to the point that it seems like they have a talented team who generate cool ideas and a less-talented team that barges in to finish them.

Anyway, that's not always the case, as we saw last night with the triumphant payoffs of two angles from earlier in the year.

First, finally, at last, to begin with, in summation, which is...starting now, if I can, in the first case and last case, from then to now...which, now to then...what we bore witness to was, in seeing, finally, as an end-point, the CULMINATION OF THE GENESIS OF MCGILLICUTTY! Michael McGillicutty: WWE Title Holder. YES. Everything that started then, ended last night, to begin now, once and for always, going forward into the future, just as he eventually sort of predicted!

Also: RILEY! RILEY! RILEY! RILEY! Did that happen? Yes, that happened, Alex Riley received a major face chant from the crowd. The only way that could have been better is if, after he beat the hell out of Miz, Riley had then proudly picked the Miz back up and raised his arm in celebration to bask in the crowd's love for him. Or if, during the beatdown, Riley just started attacking himself out of nowhere, unable to distinguish himself from Miz.

If you add the excellent work by Punk and Cole to what Truth, Ricardo, Caped Bellas, McGillicutty and Riley accomplished, it's inarguable that NXT was the most important thing to happen to WWE in a decade, and the NXT2 Finale remains the single most important episode of wrestling ever aired on TV.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    during the beatdown, Riley just started attacking himself out of nowhere, unable to distinguish himself from Miz.




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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
Punk's outfit was the best. He even got the lettering on the butt in the right font.

The Capitol Punishment dream sequence ad is embarrassing. WWE needs to hire Weird Al to teach them how to splice together a fake interview properly.

That Kharma thing was awful. Nobody wants to see a monster heel cry. I'd like to pretend this is the start of some well planned storyline, but history doesn't leave me hopeful.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Randy Savage was originally a Chicago (suburban Downers Grove) guy, Punk's a Chicago guy. And Savage was as much a heel as he was a face through the years. It would be a pity for WWE to lose such an entertainer. And King calling Macho a Hall of Famer almost came off like an ad-lib, because it's so bleeding obvious how can you blame a guy for making that slip?

Any chance that Riley getting such a pop is a reflection on Miz being such an effective heel? Piper certainly had the knack for drawing heat for a long time without being much of a physical threat to the top faces. But they have to give Miz something of prominence now that the GM has said "no more Cena for you". Is it worth going for the IC belt after you're a World Champion? Or maybe you play it that Miz has to cost Cena the title to get a shot against a new champion?

Big Show crying out in pain sounded 90% like a Wookiee.

The Kharma thing was weird all right.. but so was Cole just sitting back down to the mic after a brief apology for the last six months of obnoxiousness. I don't keep up with the newz sheets, but there was hinting here that Cole was going to be behind a war on the Divas.. could these be related? Maybe Kharma having a breakdown leaves her vulnerable to someone putting thoughts in her head? Maybe this is Cole's opening to get revenge? Maybe his one week 'humble pie' act was just a swerve? Possibly, maybe it's Devil Cole vs Angel Kelly Kelly vying for Kharma's soul?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
It's almost official that Miz has reached Million Dollar Man level as a heel. A sustained feud with Riley could cement this. Or maybe have him fight Rey? Either way they need to keep his momentum going.

Accordingly to some of the "newz" sites Punk was given another contract offer over the weekend, take that for what it's worth. But his baiting of the Hitman was superb.





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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

    Also: RILEY! RILEY! RILEY! RILEY! Did that happen? Yes, that happened, Alex Riley received a major face chant from the crowd. The only way that could have been better is if, after he beat the hell out of Miz, Riley had then proudly picked the Miz back up and raised his arm in celebration to bask in the crowd's love for him.


Hell, I was thinking they SHOULD have had Riley get the mic while Miz was lying there after the beatdown and said:

"You can't fire me. I'm going to quote your words: I quit." drop the mic and walk out.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
The Kharma thing: This has killed her unless they are going in a direction none of us are thinking. This is booking out of TNA. Just throw something out that makes no sense because it is unexpected. Why would she come down to the ring just to cry? It would have at least made sense (but still been dumb) if she'd come out during a 1-on-1 match and the rest of the Divas came out and surrounded her. Also, no way in hell Beth should have been out there. The first Beth/Kharma face off should have been a BIG deal.

The Truth is great. Someone compared him to the crazy homeless guy who would stab you for no reason and that is a good comparison. I half expect him to yell out "Somebody better call my mama!"

They did the Savage tribute because the HAD to. No way in hell they could've gotten away with a graphic without huge backlash. Wouldn't be surprised if they were discouraged from doing Savage tributes. Punk is the one guy who wouldn't give a shit about pissing Vince off, so that's why you didn't see a face doing it.
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    Originally posted by geemoney


    (3) The Bella Twins & Maryse & Melina vs. Kelly Kelly & Gail Kim & Eve Torres & Beth Phoenix
    Cole first said Miz may have deserved what he got in the last segment, then heaped compliments onto the Divas. Kelly with a Thesz Press on one of the Bellas, then she rubbed her face into the match. 26 seconds into the match, Kharma’s music hit and she walked out onto the stage. All of the Divas gathered into the ring in a show of solidarity. Let’s say…

    Winners: No contest (no bell), about :26.

    Kharma went to ringside and surveyed the landscape, then entered the ring. The Divas circled Kharma, who turned to look at each of them. Kharma seemed to summoning some power, then…fell to her knees and broke down crying in the middle of the ring. Uh…what? Crowd wasn’t sure how to react. Her lips were quivering and she appeared to be talking to herself in a trance. Then they went to break. Well…there are going to be some strong opinions on that segment!



This is what kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Seriously, they built her as that anti diva. Promos of her laughing & knocking the Barbie doll head off. She's almost been built as a monster & you have her just suddenly have her just break down in the middle of a majority of the diva roster?!? Really, I think Scottyflamigo might be on my wave length.

    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    The Kharma thing: This has killed her unless they are going in a direction none of us are thinking. This is booking out of TNA.



I was ready for here to leave ALL six of they laying. As for "solidarity" the diva it was very loose. Though, liked who ever compared it the Nexus starting last year.

Finally, I like wussy Kane over maniacal Kane. Yeah, he used to shock Shane McMahons balls with car batteries & cut some epic promos last summer. Yet, I can relate to the not so tough mental guy. Go figure.

Everything else, yeah. I agree with almost everyone on here, who said, just oddly laid show.






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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.03
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    They did the Savage tribute because the HAD to. No way in hell they could've gotten away with a graphic without huge backlash. Wouldn't be surprised if they were discouraged from doing Savage tributes. Punk is the one guy who wouldn't give a shit about pissing Vince off, so that's why you didn't see a face doing it.


Absolutely nothing happens in that company without either Vince's awareness, knowledge or approval. Especially if it's something that appears on one of his television shows. Still, you have to give C.M. Punk credit for effectively creating an idea in the minds of the fan-base that he is so indifferent (hipster?) he doesn't care at all about nationwide exposure and a steady, sizable paycheck.

But hey, I'm sure Punk really could take or leave WWE and could command all of that and more in the indies or TNA or Japan (I wonder if he'd have to cover his tats?), right? He seems like the type who's more about the music than anything else.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by KJames199
    The Capitol Punishment dream sequence ad is embarrassing.
And yet, not as embarrassing as their "cartoon" of President Obama... which comes with its own disclaimer (wwe.com).



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
I figured the cartoon was trying to trick people into buying the PPV in hopes of seeing Justin King ref the main event.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
Regarding that poster, I'm glad to see some variance in official WWE promotion. It's goofy and fun.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      They did the Savage tribute because the HAD to. No way in hell they could've gotten away with a graphic without huge backlash. Wouldn't be surprised if they were discouraged from doing Savage tributes. Punk is the one guy who wouldn't give a shit about pissing Vince off, so that's why you didn't see a face doing it.


    Absolutely nothing happens in that company without either Vince's awareness, knowledge or approval. Especially if it's something that appears on one of his television shows. Still, you have to give C.M. Punk credit for effectively creating an idea in the minds of the fan-base that he is so indifferent (hipster?) he doesn't care at all about nationwide exposure and a steady, sizable paycheck.

    But hey, I'm sure Punk really could take or leave WWE and could command all of that and more in the indies or TNA or Japan (I wonder if he'd have to cover his tats?), right? He seems like the type who's more about the music than anything else.

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"- Former WWE Creative team member Chris DeJoseph made several comments on the WWE and Randy Savage relationship. He noted that when he wanted to pitch something involving Savage, he was to never do it because "It was personal." He then mentioned that Vince McMahon was likely steaming while watching the video play, and then added the following: "Only in death #MachoMan was allowed back on WWE TV. Such a shame. Such Hypocrisy makes me sick."

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Like I said, I'm sure Vince ok'd it, but he had to.

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