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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.14
I think it is a little dishonest to say that President Obama has done nothing. The president's job is to set the tone for Congress - to express his goals. Do you feel that Obama has failed to do this?

Keep in mind that the president does not write legislation. Signing statements (invented by previous presidents) are not in the Constitution.

I believe that the Congress is currently working on the healthcare issue. I believe that as a country we are trying to get out of the recession. I believe that programs such as Cash for Clunkers exist, even though I'm not sure of the long term environmental or economic gains caused by them.

To say that Obama has done nothing is really to have unrealistic expectations of what the President can and cannot do.

I personally wish the President would strike down large portions of PATRIOT, strip immunity from Telecoms, and fix FISA. Do I believe that nothing has happened since my key issues are not yet addressed? Gitmo may not be closed, but it sure seems closer to closing than it did 4 years ago.

The Justice department is once again seemingly functioning for the best interests of the people of the US instead of for the protection of the president. Torture is once again not acceptable.

I dunno. I guess your definition of nothing and mine are different. I don't expect the president to do more than sign/veto legislation and to be the commander in chief of the military. I think the fact that Obama has not withdrawn immediately from Afghanistan and Iraq shows that he is listening to his advisors. I don't think he was secretly a war-hawk just waiting to advance his military agenda.

It's pretty early to say he hasn't done his job. It's a four year term. It takes some time to get momentum going, especially with a congress that takes long periods of time off.




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    It's pretty early to say he hasn't done his job. It's a four year term. It takes some time to get momentum going, especially with a congress that takes long periods of time off.
BUT BUT BUT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE BUT

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Keep in mind that the president does not write legislation.


Well then maybe the Nobel Peace Prize should go to someone who DOES write legislation.

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    The Justice department is once again seemingly functioning for the best interests of the people of the US instead of for the protection of the president.


Or the Justice Department.

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I think the fact that Obama has not withdrawn immediately from Afghanistan and Iraq shows that he is listening to his advisors.


Or his advisors.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.48
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    personally, I haven't seen much that he does, period. Just talk. But this thread wasn't even about Obama. It was about the Nobel folks. How they could choose someone who had (at the time of selection, and in fact, even now) has done nothing.


Here's the problem (Guru already said most of what I was thinking.), first the right is mad for what he IS doing or proposing and trying to do. Then this happens and he has done nothing. It can't be both.

I agree it was way too early for this award but he didn't apply for it, campaign for it, or in anyway seek it. I don't know what the committee was thinking but it says a hell of a lot about the second term of the Bush administration.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.14
The statement was made that Obama has done nothing and therefore is not eligible for the prize. I merely stated that I don't agree that he is ineligible based on doing nothing, as I believe that he has not "done nothing".

I don't agree with the choice of the prize, but that's me, an American, living in America. I don't hate the USA and I didn't fear the USA. My earlier statement was that the tone of the president, and the direction of the country, must be pretty drastically differently perceived than it was prior to his election for this to make sense.

I think I'm being pretty consistent in my arguments, but maybe I'm just babbling.




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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
All it says is that 5 guys in Norway really like the guy and/or are attempting to color his future decisions.

I think it just shows how arbitrary and political the Peace Prize is in relation to the other Nobel prizes.

I do not envy Obama in trying to pick an appropriate charity or charities to donate the prize money to. Do you go with a world based charity, a US based charity... children's charities, health and welfare, poverty, a charity focusing on war torn nations?

I mean I get pissed off and embarrassed when I donate $40 to a charity and then get $25 worth of mailings from them throughout the year... and no one is scrutinizing my choice in charities.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.48
    Originally posted by Lise
    I think it just shows how arbitrary and political the Peace Prize is in relation to the other Nobel prizes.


Lise, that is true of every human endeavour. If you look at the history of all the Nobel prizes, politics seeps into the decision from time to time.

Guru is correct IMO in that what Obama has done is steered the American "ship of state" in essentially a 180 on the world stage. SHould we always seek consensus and cave to other nations? No one including Obama thinks we should. But the last administration seemed to delight in intentionally alienating not just our adversaries but our allies. At least now we seem to want engagement with the world.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
    Originally posted by Lise
    I mean I get pissed off and embarrassed when I donate $40 to a charity and then get $25 worth of mailings from them throughout the year... and no one is scrutinizing my choice in charities.
After reading this I got the image in my mind of the President of the United States, the leader of the free world, sorting through all the important correspondence that has arrived that morning from the U.S. Post Office to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and going, "Junk Mail. Junk Mail. Junk Mail. Junk Mail...." Which I found quite humorous. Of course, your mileage may vary.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Lise
      I think it just shows how arbitrary and political the Peace Prize is in relation to the other Nobel prizes.


    Lise, that is true of every human endeavour. If you look at the history of all the Nobel prizes, politics seeps into the decision from time to time.

    Guru is correct IMO in that what Obama has done is steered the American "ship of state" in essentially a 180 on the world stage. SHould we always seek consensus and cave to other nations? No one including Obama thinks we should. But the last administration seemed to delight in intentionally alienating not just our adversaries but our allies. At least now we seem to want engagement with the world.


My point is more that the Nobel Peace Prize committee is made up of 5 former Norwegian politicians... whereas the rest of the Nobel Prizes are selected by peers in their various fields. It's a little weird, non?
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.48
Lise, not really, as typically a politician wins the award but not always. And peace is a political thing in our world. Even Mother Teresa was a pretty astute politician.
I just read an article regarding 4 of the 5 panelists and why they selected him. They are rather puzzled by the turmoil regarding their decision. Their feeling is that he has done alot.



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