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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
At least one of the suspensions is considered as medical leave and doesn't count as a strike.

(Doesn't seem clear to me either.)



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    This sucks.

      Originally posted by spf
      Bingo. Especially if somehow the rug was pulled out, or even if he thinks it was pulled out, that's the sort of thing that can send a recovering addict back to their addiction. Now for all I know he might have been doing this for months and just finally got dinged. Just seems like odd timing. Guy is riding high, but then when things start to cycle back down (and FWLIW I don't think he was ever booked to win the MitB match. That briefcase has been Kennedy's to win since the day he got injured last year.) he pops back up on the suspended list. It makes a certain amount of sense.


    I agree and disagree. I can see him getting frustrated that his program with Orton ended the way it did, crisp and clean with no caffeine, when he probably thought he had a real chance of winning. I wouldn't blame him. But it's not like his push disappeared and he turned into a pumpkin. He beat Shawn Michaels clean without reciprocity, he beat everyone's ass in the Elimination Chamber, and he was positioned as the featured player in and I think almost certain winner of the Money in the Bank match. His second loss to Jericho never would've happened if he hadn't failed a drug test. So that's not exactly going from being John Cena to Matt Hardy.

    Fact of the matter is that Jeff Hardy is 30, has put his body through hell, is probably in a lot of pain, and has been suspended once before. WWE didn't drive Jeff to drugs by putting Randy Orton over at the Royal Rumble.

I guess I disagree on the MitB thing. Obviously we'll never know now, but I just have the sense that Hardy's push was something to fill time until they were ready to begin HHH's push to WM. And at no point am I saying if it was any sort of relapse into rec. drug use that it makes sense in any framework most of us would ever use for decision making. But Jeff Hardy doesn't strike me as the most tethered and grounded guy walking around. I could easily envision him saying "fuck it, being clean isn't going to get me where I want to go, I hurt like hell, and whoosh, HHH and Cena just blew right past me." It's not like we're dealing with the most rational guy here.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by spf
    Guy is riding high, but then when things start to cycle back down (and FWLIW I don't think he was ever booked to win the MitB match. That briefcase has been Kennedy's to win since the day he got injured last year.) he pops back up on the suspended list. It makes a certain amount of sense.

Freudian posting? Or did you intentionally phrase your post like that?



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#24 Posted on
I don't think questioning whether his push/depush has anything to do with it has any value. Check out any of his shoot interviews from a couple of years ago and he readily admits wrestling isn't his first love anymore. While I'm sure he's very happy with being so popular and receiving such a push I don't think he really cares all that much whether he stays or goes. A lot like RVD for the last few years of his WWE run.

Put it this way, he either failed for painkillers/steroids which are pretty difficult to get busted for in the first place or something more serious (lets not forget he was a meth head just a few years ago) that he would have known he'd get busted for anyway. When someone gets suspended and returns to receive the biggest push of his career only then to get suspended again it doesn't really paint a picture of someone who's first priority is wrestling.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
So does he just sit home for 60 days ? Or does Vince make him go to rehab ?



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.20
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    At least one of the suspensions is considered as medical leave and doesn't count as a strike.

    (Doesn't seem clear to me either.)

After Mania a few years ago, wasn't he suspended for being a douchebag as opposed to failing a test? That's when he went to anger management or whatever. So I wouldn't think that one counts. Or is there another one I'm forgetting?

    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So does he just sit home for 60 days ? Or does Vince make him go to rehab ?

Rehab?!


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
What a bummer. Hopefully Jeff can get his life back on track in the wake of this latest problem. In the wake of all this, you can't blame WWE for not giving him the world title. When Randy Orton is more reliable than you, that's not exactly champion material.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
On another aspect of this story, I think it's interesting to note that this is currently front page news on ESPN.com.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
Can CM Punk be squeezed in here or is he tied up in some ECW sheenanigans? I actually wouldn't mind seeing Elijah Burke take his spot.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      This sucks.

        Originally posted by spf
        Bingo. Especially if somehow the rug was pulled out, or even if he thinks it was pulled out, that's the sort of thing that can send a recovering addict back to their addiction. Now for all I know he might have been doing this for months and just finally got dinged. Just seems like odd timing. Guy is riding high, but then when things start to cycle back down (and FWLIW I don't think he was ever booked to win the MitB match. That briefcase has been Kennedy's to win since the day he got injured last year.) he pops back up on the suspended list. It makes a certain amount of sense.


      I agree and disagree. I can see him getting frustrated that his program with Orton ended the way it did, crisp and clean with no caffeine, when he probably thought he had a real chance of winning. I wouldn't blame him. But it's not like his push disappeared and he turned into a pumpkin. He beat Shawn Michaels clean without reciprocity, he beat everyone's ass in the Elimination Chamber, and he was positioned as the featured player in and I think almost certain winner of the Money in the Bank match. His second loss to Jericho never would've happened if he hadn't failed a drug test. So that's not exactly going from being John Cena to Matt Hardy.

      Fact of the matter is that Jeff Hardy is 30, has put his body through hell, is probably in a lot of pain, and has been suspended once before. WWE didn't drive Jeff to drugs by putting Randy Orton over at the Royal Rumble.

    I guess I disagree on the MitB thing. Obviously we'll never know now, but I just have the sense that Hardy's push was something to fill time until they were ready to begin HHH's push to WM. And at no point am I saying if it was any sort of relapse into rec. drug use that it makes sense in any framework most of us would ever use for decision making. But Jeff Hardy doesn't strike me as the most tethered and grounded guy walking around. I could easily envision him saying "fuck it, being clean isn't going to get me where I want to go, I hurt like hell, and whoosh, HHH and Cena just blew right past me." It's not like we're dealing with the most rational guy here.




To look at it from a 180 degree different angle: Vince brings Hardy into his office a few weeks ago and tells him he is going to be the guy they build up until he gets to the top at the end of the summer, and he will get the ball and run with it as they build their television show on a new network around him. The pressure of being on top got to Eddie, perhaps no longer just being able to glide through life but having all the pressures of the responsibility of how the company performs got to Hardy. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I play one on the internet.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.41
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Can CM Punk be squeezed in here or is he tied up in some ECW sheenanigans? I actually wouldn't mind seeing Elijah Burke take his spot.


Punk is taking on Big Daddy V tonight for a spot, so I believe the proper phrase is "God I hope so".

I should probably clarify what I meant about fudging the results. I meant more fudging the timing than making a false positive. (See spf's comments on his repeated losses.) I also should clarify in that I was facetious, and I absolute believe they would do that.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
I would believe more that the test results came back a month or so ago, and WWE decided to begin to de-push him and subsequently have him lose the IC Title, THEN announce the suspension moreso than "the pressure of being on top got to him" or "his de-push made him turn back to drugs."
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    At least one of the suspensions is considered as medical leave and doesn't count as a strike.

    (Doesn't seem clear to me either.)


I believe he spent four weeks in an anger management clinic during one of the suspensions, implying that was for an act (or acts) of tosser-dom rather than drug related.

Thankfully for Randy, their three strikes and your out rule applies to drug related offences. As far as I know, in theory one can be granted forgiveness even after multiple suspensions on counts of being tool.

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
The deal with Orton has always been a little cloudy. Wasn't he exempt from the last batch of suspensions due to turning himself in early before the results came back, or some BS like that? And if you look at footage of him from around a year ago, he has REALLY slimmed down.




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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
I'm still surprised not one you has even mentioned the IC title switch point I'm about to make.

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For the love of God don't let Jericho be on anything and all still not going well in WWE land.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
    Originally posted by kentish
    The deal with Orton has always been a little cloudy. Wasn't he exempt from the last batch of suspensions due to turning himself in early before the results came back, or some BS like that?


I think the stuff relating to him in the SI story predtaed the introduction of the wellness policy (although the story broke long after it). They may have been on slightly dodgy legal ground counting that as a strike as he could have claimed it wasn't in the terms of employment at the time.

Equally though, I don't imagine they were too keen to push the matter and give him the strike.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
    Originally posted by geemoney
    I would believe more that the test results came back a month or so ago, and WWE decided to begin to de-push him and subsequently have him lose the IC Title, THEN announce the suspension moreso than "the pressure of being on top got to him" or "his de-push made him turn back to drugs."


Or - and this might just be me talking crazy - it's just another case of Jeff Hardy screwing up at the wrong time. Because yes, I'm as cynical as the next guy when it comes to WWE and its implementation/enforcement (sometimes in sacastic quotes and sometimes not) of its Wellness Policy, but let's not forget that Hardy himself has a history of being a screw-up, specifically when it comes to this sort of thing.

Also, let's not go crazy here. Hardy was slightly de-pushed, but he wasn't completely buried. And the reason for that decrease in attention is nothing more than the fact that while they were positioning Hardy to be the top face, suddenly their money guy for the past two years who has a proven track record in terms of drawing money and keeping his nose clean (Cena) was able to come back early and start headlining for them again.

When Jeff Hardy was brought back not too long ago, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt as a guy who had legitimately turned his life around and cleaned himself up. However, demons can be a Hell of a thing to shake, and while people are pointing out anger management therapy and suspensions not counting towards drugs, this IS his second drug offense (hence the 60-day suspension) and dude's a drug addict.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
Hahaha... what a dumbass.

It was only a matter of time.





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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
What I'd like to know is how this all works. By that, I mean...what was the time frame between when the results were found, and when Jeff was told. Was it all the same day? Was he informed beforehand?

I'd love to read up on all the details.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.91
If the wellness policy was around back in the day, Shawn never woulda been Champ---so hey, I'd still like to see Jeff be on top someday. He's one of the only reasons I watch at this point in time.

Far be it for me to suggest Jeff isn't a drug addict, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as many seem to take it. For starters, the banned substances list for the wellness policy is extensive to the point of being almost comical. Stuff you can get at GNC over the counter is on the list and it's always being expanded upon. It would be easy enough for someone careless to ingest something relatively harmless and get suspended. Twice? Probably not, but hey, this is WWE we're talking about. Let's call a spade a spade. They aren't discouraging Jeff from super-bumps and stunt leaps; they aren't decreasing the workload for any of their talent, they're just taking away every conceivable coping mechanism the boys have to deal with the demands of their profession and then publicly humiliating them for not being able to deal with it. Gee, what heroes. If they cared about talent they'd give them time off, so yeah, sue me, but I'm in the talent's corner on this one. I mean, I'm not saying yay steroids or pills or anything, but there's something to be said for use versus abuse. Many have speculated, RVD most recently, that all the policy is going to do in the long-run is create alchoholics, because that's the only means left to them to deal with the life.

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