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The W - Pro Wrestling - RAW 15th Anniversary (#759) 12/10/07 (Page 3)
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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Since I'm Straight Edge...

    The main thing is no drinking, no smoking, no recreational drug use, and no conquestual sex. In other words, its abstaining from what seem to be the highest valued recreations of American youth culture, and in many ways American recreational culture in general.


I was also under the impression that it was not-so-coincidentally tied into a punk rock subculture - although, according to Wikipedia, that faded a bit as time went on - not so much with the college students with whom I work, but I'm so out of the loop with this stuff these days and I've learned to not ask certain kinds of questions.




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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Since I'm Straight Edge...

      The main thing is no drinking, no smoking, no recreational drug use, and no conquestual sex. In other words, its abstaining from what seem to be the highest valued recreations of American youth culture, and in many ways American recreational culture in general.


    I was also under the impression that it was not-so-coincidentally tied into a punk rock subculture - although, according to Wikipedia, that faded a bit as time went on - not so much with the college students with whom I work, but I'm so out of the loop with this stuff these days and I've learned to not ask certain kinds of questions.


Yeah, I didn't really want to go into a full blown lecture on the history and so forth when I should be talking wrestling, but yeah its inherently tied to punk rock, in all its many forms (hardcore, metalcore, whatever Fall Out Boy is, etc). I don't really think theres anyone who's Straight Edge who isn't connected to some form of it (punk).

The no conquestual sex thing is basically treated like the Straight Edge version of the WWE's wellness loophole, since "conquestual sex" is open to interpretation.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.98
Anvil looked bigger than Umaga. Like, he was having trouble walking. He looks awful. Same goes for IRS and Dibiase. Loved seeing them, though. I am a Marty mark, so it was sad to see him fed to the utterly useless Kennedy, but you take what you can get. Jericho's play on words got a tepid response, as noted, but the pop for the Walls was pretty damn huge. Too much Triple H. The last segment blew, it was just too obvious where it was going, and Austin stunning Vince probably had to be in the show but we've seen it ten times since Austin retired. In fact, he did it at Homecoming, which wasn't that long ago. Wait, didn't he do it at Wrestlemania too? Bah. Enough. I never ever want to see that again. It was a great show, but I just did not dig the last segment at all. Loved the ladder match. RVD looks great. Shawn is looking about as big as he did back in '97, much bigger than he's been since coming back in '02. Or maybe its just me.

This was sorta like Homecoming, only not shitty.

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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
Two things bothered me... well, three actually.

First, would it have killed them to do a flashback segment of everyone who has died since Raw went on the air? I feel it would have been a nice thing to do and it seemed like a nobrainer, but there wasn't anything of the sort.

Second, the 'Raw Weddings' segment was completely bogus all because they won't show Savage. The very first WWE wedding, and they completely skip over it like it never happened.

Lastly, where the hell was Barry Horrowitz? I'm sure he wasn't busy or anything.

Other then this, the show was top notch and extremely fun to watch. Gillberg made the night for me.

Did Helmsley really have a role to play in every half hour, it seemed, or was I just imagining it. Great way to show who's the main guy on the show.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Second, the 'Raw Weddings' segment was completely bogus all because they won't show Savage. The very first WWE wedding, and they completely skip over it like it never happened.

Well... you know... it was the 'Raw Weddings' segment. Featuring weddings that happened... on Raw.
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    First, would it have killed them to do a flashback segment of everyone who has died since Raw went on the air? I feel it would have been a nice thing to do and it seemed like a nobrainer, but there wasn't anything of the sort.


They would've needed another hour. I'm surprised Moolah got a mention, even if it was just used to explain Vince and Mae's "hookup". ("All I did was brush the cobwebs off......" I'll take "Images I REALLY didn't need in my head" for 2.5 billion, Alex.)

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Second, the 'Raw Weddings' segment was completely bogus all because they won't show Savage. The very first WWE wedding, and they completely skip over it like it never happened.


1. The first wedding they televized was between Uncle Elmer and some chick on Saturday Night's Main Event. Aside from Roddy Piper heckling, nothing much came of it. (Thus making it the only wedding in WWE history to go off without a hitch.)

2. Savage's wedding with Liz happened at a Summerslam, pre-Raw era.




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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.62
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Two things bothered me... well, three actually.

    First, would it have killed them to do a flashback segment of everyone who has died since Raw went on the air? I feel it would have been a nice thing to do and it seemed like a nobrainer, but there wasn't anything of the sort.

    Second, the 'Raw Weddings' segment was completely bogus all because they won't show Savage. The very first WWE wedding, and they completely skip over it like it never happened.

    Lastly, where the hell was Barry Horrowitz? I'm sure he wasn't busy or anything.

    Other then this, the show was top notch and extremely fun to watch. Gillberg made the night for me.

    Did Helmsley really have a role to play in every half hour, it seemed, or was I just imagining it. Great way to show who's the main guy on the show.


Deaths; buzz killer. Yes, many of us would appreciate it. But it was obviously a night of celebrating.

Weddings; like Seadawg said, only Raw weddings.

Horowitz; shrug

HHH every 30 minutes; Wait, you mean he *isn't* the main guy on the show? Also, having him pop up so often is probably a compromise so he didn't need to be included in the final 3 who kicked Vince's ass.



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#48 Posted on
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Two things bothered me... well, three actually.

    First, would it have killed them to do a flashback segment of everyone who has died since Raw went on the air? I feel it would have been a nice thing to do and it seemed like a nobrainer, but there wasn't anything of the sort.

    With the continued media and congressional attention over steriod use, and the Beniot situation still being relatively fresh on people's minds, I think the last thing Vince wants is to remind everyone just how many guys in the business have passed away over the last 15 years. Rightly or wrongly...

    (edited by Cactus Adam on 12.12.07 0759)


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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
Random thoughts:

I was kinda peeved there was no "in memory" feature to celebrate the lives of those who have passed on.

Having Vince talking about how he diddled Mae Young after Moolah's wedding doesn't qualify.

SUNNY!!! Man, she looked good. So did Molly, for that matter. Lita and Trish are still fresh in my memory, so I didn't miss them as much as the others.

I kinda wished they had Damien DeMento on the show. Wasn't he on the very first edition?

I was very, very pleased with this show...and who knows? I may pick this up on DVD.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
    Originally posted by Oliver
    I was kinda peeved there was no "in memory" feature to celebrate the lives of those who have passed on

Other people have said this too, and while I can understand where they're coming from, I don't think it would be wise for WWE to point out how many former employees have died, especially while they're apparently still under scrutiny from the government (and the media, for that matter).

    Originally posted by OliverI was very, very pleased with this show...and who knows? I may pick this up on DVD.

I read over the match listing for the RAW XV DVD, but is this show actually confirmed to be on it?




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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
Hamtaro misses you too!

Good to see Dibiase being Dibiase.

Great to see Molly and Trish. Though Trish needs a sammich in the worst way. And I wish Molly and Mickey had somehow (any combination tag or a 4 way) ended up in a match with Lita and Trish.

Kane and Lita's small talk was hilarious.

Two words: Knuckleball Schwartz.

Which led to Hunter asking "Who?" and a very vocal (and upset) fan crying "KNUCKLEBALL SCHWARTZ!" in a scream so full of anger and disgust it sounded like he was auditioning for Akira.

No Tajiri/Kai En Tai makes me sad, but it's understandable the show was packed.

Any Raw that has Jannety is a good Raw.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.55
I finally got a chance to watch this show (thank you p2p filesharing), and it was great fun.

A couple notes:

I was never a Trish fan, but she looked GOOD tonight. Better than I remember her.

Lita's hiding a belly behind black leather I think... but her mic work tonight (what there was of it) was 10x better than I remember her being. Maybe she practiced?

No Dwane Johnson is a shame... for whatever reason. His abscense was probably more apparent than any other "no-show".

I knew what was going to happen with Ted Dibiase and IRS as soon as the music hit, but it was still worth it.

There was lots of stuff I was expecting, some stuff I KNEW I was going to see, but none of it was tiring. Props to WWE for putting on a show like this. If only they could entertain like that every week.

I was even still amused by trips the third time he showed up.

Just about the only thing that made me frown inside was hogan plugging in the middle of the show. The E could have saved a lot of money in my eyes and gotten just as big of a pop out of me by sending out Paul Wight...



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