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RYDER FAKIN
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#361 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
Obviously she doesn't know a wristlock from a wristwatch.

I saw one report that mentioned that the cable news people were increasing coverage based on all the hits the story was getting on their websites. That said, from what little I've seen channel surfing - Nancy Grace is all about finding the killer/kidnapper of some young white girl, or ensuring the death penalty for whatever juicy trial is going on at the time. Talking about a crime that has no defendant to crucify is totally going against her gimmick.

I have a feeling that the story's closer to started than getting dumped from cable news "rotation".


You were right on in your first paragraph. These are the people in charge of this story, which is already almost yesterday's news. Paris is trying to look and sound like Streep and she's headlining again. Benoit is back to the midcard

That's why it's *not* forgivable. She's trying to make up the news as she goes (again). She crammed on a couple facts and started trying to make up a side-story about how his whole life was crashing down because his WWE career was a disaster compared to how great WCW treated him.

Again - these are the types, as mentioned above, that are grasping for daily ratings - GOTCHA ratings! Michael Jackson has turned into a Vegas recluse - it's just matter of time for him, and when that one hits, under the radar we fly - just like an "I DID IT" t-shirt!

And suicide isn't "cowardly". A coward commits a crime and hires lawyers to get him off the hook. For some, suicide is the only control we really have. We are taught that suicide is evil, because parents don't want to have to bear the resposibility of having a child die. Same way we fear God - because we are taught to. Suicide, especially when dealing with a criminal, makes it easier on everyone looking at it from the outside. No Courts. Or Lawyers. And if anyone wants to go out, on their own terms, so be it. Beats dying of a heart attack after 52 years of living good

But you lie there and moan
Where to hide, suicide is the only way out
Donít you know what itís really about


Ozzy said that and got sued. Now Ozzy is a circus clown. Think he made the right choice?

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(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 27.6.07 2225)

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Since: 25.4.03
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#362 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11

Did anyone catch Glenn Beck (right after Nancy Grace)? He went so far as to say that (some of) the blame for Daniel Benoit's death could be directed at Nancy ... yes, you read that right ... Nancy.

Not only that, he mentioned Chris's addiction to painkillers ... first time I heard of that one.

Where do they get the fucking people?
thecubsfan
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#363 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    And I'd have sold more if we had more.

    People are kinda fucked up.


But at least they have cash.



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#364 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    Not only that, he mentioned Chris's addiction to painkillers ... first time I heard of that one.


Expect to hear a lot more of that, although the media people's STUNNING FINDINGS on TV about steroids and painkillers in the Benoit home are pretty LOL to people who actually follow wrestling.

Two interesting Benoit/drug tidbits, not really shocking all things considered but still interesting to hear them actually come out, over the last two days are

1) Bryan Alvarez saying that Benoit did not cycle off steroids, ever, including the year he was out with the neck injury.

2) Bryan as well as Meltzer acknowledging that Benoit either/both greatly increased his painkiller consumption and possibly heavy recreational drug use after Eddie's death.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 27.6.07 2253)
Eddie Famous
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#365 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    And suicide isn't "cowardly". A coward commits a crime and hires lawyers to get him off the hook. For some, suicide is the only control we really have. We are taught that suicide is evil, because parents don't want to have to bear the resposibility of having a child die. Same way we fear God - because we are taught to. Suicide, especially when dealing with a criminal, makes it easier on everyone looking at it from the outside. No Courts. Or Lawyers. And if anyone wants to go out, on their own terms, so be it.


A suicide in where you have a life of unending pain, leaving no one to mourn you behind, where you affect no one, then maybe. This particular suicide after he takes two people with him, cowardly with a capital coward.

    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Beats dying of a heart attack after 52 years of living good.


Bull. Shit. If someone kills himself after 52 years of living good, it is nothing but selfish and cowardly.



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#366 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88

Someone told me earlier today that Amazon put in something where, every time you search for "WWE", it would bring up a blurb about the Benoit story and a link to his DVD. It is not doing that at the moment, though.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Mayhem
      Not only that, he mentioned Chris's addiction to painkillers ... first time I heard of that one.


    Expect to hear a lot more of that

I would put dollars on these Glen Beck type dweebs having no clue what they're talking about. It may come out that they were right, but nobody has reported anything about Benoit and painkillers to this point, have they? So I'm going to openly doubt that f'n Glen Beck or any of these a-holes has the scoop. They're just running with whatever BS they feel like saying and it is both amusing and sad.

The best thing I've seen, not counting the obvious Horsemen/Raw comment, was on Fox News earlier when they had some graphic going "BENOIT JUCING UP HIS OWN SON! HAS WWE FINALLY GONE TOO FAR?" Like it was an angle where Vince booked Benoit to give his kid injections.
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#367 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    I would put dollars on these Glen Beck type dweebs having no clue what they're talking about. ... They're just running with whatever BS they feel like saying and it is both amusing and sad.


It really is amazing. 'cause then you realize, if this is how clueless they are about something I know a lot about, that means they're winging it just as much about everything else.


    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    If someone kills himself after 52 years of living good, it is nothing but selfish and cowardly.


We're mandating people to live now? Under threat of being called a coward. It's like a reverse duel!
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#368 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    We're mandating people to live now? Under threat of being called a coward. It's like a reverse duel!


No, ducking out on responsibilites and loved ones is cowardly.
Committing that kind of mental anguish on people that care about you is selfish. And anyone who would actually do that wouldn't care if someone called them a selfish coward anyway.



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#369 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
I forgot, also good was motherfuckin' Geraldo on the case, trying to back Nightmare Ken Wayne into a corner.

"WHAT WAS BENOIT'S NICKNAME? HOW DID HE GET IT? BY DROPPING A MAN ONTO HIS HEAD AND BREAKING HIS NECK BECAUSE HE'S CLEARLY A DERANGED PSYCHOPATH?"
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#370 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
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#371 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    I forgot, also good was motherfuckin' Geraldo on the case, trying to back Nightmare Ken Wayne into a corner.

    "WHAT WAS BENOIT'S NICKNAME? HOW DID HE GET IT? BY DROPPING A MAN ONTO HIS HEAD AND BREAKING HIS NECK BECAUSE HE'S CLEARLY A DERANGED PSYCHOPATH?"


The media has no clue what they're talking about in regards to wrestling as a whole and honestly, they don't want to. They want the scandal, the controversy, the disgusting details. In the mainstream, wrestling is viewed as a fake ballet that a bunch of slack-jawed yokels watch.

I watched O'Reilly's segment on the whole thing and he went off on one of the guests (can't think of his name, he wrote "Wrestling Babylon") when they guy tried to explain WHY Daniel may have had needle marks on his arms because of his condition. O'Reilly doesn't care, he just wants the "Benoit was a raging psychopath and Nancy should've known better" angle. That makes for the better story.

They don't care about Benoit's career, or Nancy's or the sport in general. It's just a circle jerk.



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#372 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.32
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#373 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
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#374 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
After reading through the 19 plus pages, I have come to a conclusion that nobody, no not even you, actually knows what happened. Speculation is all we have, better get used to it because we will never know the truth.

It's unfortunate that this issue has turned into a mud slinging contest between mainstream media and the wrestling industry. The real issue here is, a man, killed both his son and his wife before taking his own life. That's a tragedy on its own.

We can sit here all day and say that Vince McMahon and the wrestling industry is what pushed Chris Benoit over the edge. The rampant drug use, the addiction problems, the dark mental state that he was in, those are the issues that should be addressed, not what Vince "could" have done.

Sure, Vince should have a better drug enforcement policy in effect, but Vince cannot control the inner demons of a person in Chris Benoit's state.

The WWE never once injected any wrestler with steriods, or forced them into an addiction of pain killers...thats a choice that Chris Benoit made.

Chris Benoit is a man....a human being like the rest of us. He made his choices. He lost control, HE, killed his family, HE did this. Not the wrestling industry.

Vince has an opportunity here to help his employees. He needs to have people on staff that are able to detect problems with his wrestlers and help them deal with whatever they are going through. And I bet, there is something in the works.

Look at it this way....my company is responsible for my well being WHEN I am at work. What I do in my own time....I am responsible for.





What is the speed of dark?!
oldschoolhero
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#375 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
One of the ugliest things that this tragedy has brought about is the venom from so many fans, on both sides of the divide. I feel like I won't be able to watch wrestling for a while, and I probably won't revisit any Chris Benoit matches for the foreseeable future. I think I'm entitled to my opinion that the way a man dies CAN influence how we view his life. Chris Benoit, whether under the influence of steroids or brain injuries or whatever, murdered his wife and child. Could he have been helped? There is a good chance of that, but again, Chris Benoit did not choose that path. He seemingly acted methodically, meaning that he had some control of his faculties. And he was mentally stable enough to still be on the road with a traveling company last week, with noone even remotely suspecting that he had serious problems. We can hem and haw all day about who should have done what, but the responability for these crimes ultimately rests with one man.

I certainly don't appreciate the wounded, holier-than-thou responses coming from some quarters. 411wrestling, for example, is littered with columns telling me that I'm wrong and a hypocrite for feeling disgusted with the man, and even go so far as to suggest that if we condemn Benoit, we must condemn people like Randy Orton, Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero for their failings. As if recreational drug use or being a douchebag somehow matches up to this. Such shortsightedness mmakes my head spin, and only reaffirms some of the bad things that are said about wrestling fans.

And I agree with those that don't see his suicide as a beneficial thing. It's possible that he did it out of remorse. It's also possible that he did to avoid the repercussions of his crime. We don't know. What makes me view it in such a negative light is the effect it will have on those he leaves behind. He's deprived his remaining children of their father, or at the very an explanation as to what drove him to this. He's left Nancy's family without any answers as to why their daughter/sister/whatever is dead. In that sense, he's taken the easy way out. Maybe you can excuse that if you're looking at the situation from his viewpoint, or taking the stance that it's a cleaner break to the story. But I think that those he's left behind deserved better.



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#376 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Vince was on the Today show. He managed to not yell at her, so kudos to him.

Meredith didn't press him on the transparent drug policy or really get to snippy.

It looks like the defensive press release the E sent out is really back-firing on them, though. It makes them look way guilty. I mean, they can't come out and admit that the locker room is on a ton of steroids and pills but to point out that Chris passed the last drug test when he's probably going to come out sky high for steroids makes them look incompetent.
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#377 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
Vince and CO. are screwed, they can easily see if Benoit was really clean in April at last Wellness Test. And if Meltzer and Alvarez are right about Benoit never off-cycling steroids its going to be REALLY obvious. Vince on Today seemed to be really wanting to distance himself and move on from this. Referring to Benoit multiple times as "this monster" and saying that the media is making a "Hysteria" around wrestling. Twice he said that the job of wwe performers is to put a smile on peoples faces, and it just sounded so FAKE, obviously the lawyers have taken over what comes out of everyones mouths. When asked about the 60 deaths, Vince replied that only 5 were under his employ when they died, and after Owen and Benoit, the other 3 were enlarged hearts.
I didn't notice if Vince was wearing boots, but he seemed obviously ready to waid through bullshit when it came to steroid questions.
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#378 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.47
Meltz mentined Victor Mar, who is this?

Also, it is a bit ironic that a guy as closed off and private as Benoit does something like this as his final act opening his whole life, choices and all the skeletons for EVERYBODY to pick through.





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#379 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Meltz mentioned Victor Mar, who is this?


    Originally posted by Dave Metzer
    1/28/2006 1:19:00 AM
    Third member of Gringos Locos passes away today

    by Dave Meltzer

    Dave@wrestlingobserver.com

    Victor Mar, best known as Black Cat and also Kuroneko (which is Japanese for Black Cat), passed away today in Japan from a massive heart attack at the age of 51.

    Mar retired as a wrestler in 2003 after 22 years and had been a referee for New Japan since. He helped train many of the biggest names in modern wrestling in Japan. Probably his biggest push as a wrestler took place in the early 90s in Mexico as part of a trio called Los Gringos Locos with Art "Love Machine" Barr and Eddy Guerrero. Others, including the late Louie Spicolli, were in later renditions of the group.


    Originally posted by Google
    Mike "Johnny Grunge" Durham of the Public Enemy 39 February 16, 2006 Complications from sleep apnea


I think Meltzer said something along the lines that one of the things that depressed Chris was that in quick succession, he lost his best friend (Eddy), his best friend in Japan (I assume Victor Mar) and the guy who could make him laugh (I'm guessing Grunge who he feuded memorably with in ECW.)



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#380 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.86
I went over to my mom and dad's place yesterday and they asked me about what I knew so after a long talk over Benoit
me and my brother both came to the agreement that after one last thing we will never speak of Benoit the person again.

I can say that throw all of this I still watch his past match's. I saw his match with taskmaster form his days in WCW( The one from Bash at the beach) I find this easer to deal with. In my mind Chris Benoit the man will go down as a lot of things..most are negative. Benoit the Wrestler will go down as a true Legend.

The real tragedy here is that a child will never get the chance to live.


That is the last time I will speak of Chris Benoit.
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