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Popular Mechanics mythbusting:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Although once you think about how many people would have to be involved in such a widespread conspiracy (both inside AND outside of government), the whole thing just falls apart anyway.



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    Originally posted by aftershock14520
    Now this topic might raise a lot of eyebrows and a lot of you just might not even believe a word you read here but this is the bottom line.
Seriously...you're just a troll, right? Is there any really compelling reason for me to continue to let you post here?



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I'm not sure what more less sense means.

Can you try to pull yourself together to make a coherent post next time?

I seriously doubt you are qualified to have an expert opinion on what you are talking about. There are a couple of give-aways

No offense, but you have done absolutely nothing to deter me from the thought that you are a guy simply talking out of his ass.



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Wow the US sold rebel huh? Or did you mean rubble since the two are completely different.
Sorry I can't stand these dumb ass conspiracy theories. Ges7184 (and his post) are right. It would take hundreds of people to pull this off and for what?
Also I really can't stand the even more dumbass attitude. They are accusing the US govt of mass murder of it's own citizens for some vague political reason. Not Bush (or someone working for him) but the US govt itself. Bush did not have the time and if he did do this someone would have noticed (stealing 4 airliners would be obvious). So the entire US govt is actually an evil dictatorship but only these few brave souls are standing up to it. Fucking bullshit.



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There are about a zillion conspiracy theorists out there regarding 9/11 and some of them also sound interesting.

For your post being interesting:
Your post (when I read it) was your post 9/11. To keep that true, I suggest not posting again.

Against your post being interesting.
Misspelled words, incorrect use of English (possessives have apostrophes, for example, unless it is its) and non-posting of sources for your wild assertions.

Where is the proof our government sold the "rebel" you claim they sold. Ditto for the secondary explosions. And the rest.

Yes, you are a troll.

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A former co-worker of mine is now at WTOP Washington, one of the top news radio stations in the country. She was in the White House and on her way to the Pentagon when the plane crashed.

She's a witness, you are witless.





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Go to google video and Search for "911 Loose Change". I watched that and it turned my thoughts around on what really went on that day

(I'd give a link but I'm at work and can't hit Google Video)



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Yeah I started to watch this documentary, but it lost all credibility when it claimed that the second plane fired a missile at the buildings.

A freaking missile? come on
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People doubt things too much sometimes. It looked like a missile, but it might of been some sort of explosive that was on the plane! Why doubt things if it was seen on video and just because that seem credible, the rest of it didn't Also during one of the shots that were taking of the buildings being hit, there was some sort of a missile shell that flew out of the other side of the building.

http://www.youtube.com/v/hIv7AQrhZe4

(edited by aftershock14520 on 9.4.06 0949)

Zeruel edit: Took out embeded videos. CRZ has been on record at least once before that he doesn't want embeded videos in posts. re: http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=25223

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So what exactly are you saying? Was the plane that hit the Pentagon a fighter? So then what did the US do with the airliner and the 150 or so people on the plane? If they had stolen the airliner then why use a fighter?
As far as the "missile shell" uhm I don't think missiles have shells. Also isn't it more probable that it was some type of debris from an 375,000lb plane hitting the tower at almost 300 mph?
And this brings me back to my main point. Why would the US do this? Either the US is a democracy (sort of) that is a decent country with flaws OR it's completely evil country that is ruled by a secret dictatorship and 99% of the country is unaware of the truth.



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    Originally posted by aftershock14520
    Also during one of the shots that were taking of the buildings being hit, there was some sort of a missile shell that flew out of the other side of the building.



I don't mean to tell you how to run your conspiricy theories, but when a 395,000 pound thingie traveling at aproximately 300 MPH slams into a relatively stable other thingie made of structural steel, some stuff a-gonna break. And some stuff gonna come though. Next time you play with your legos, try that out, and see if stuff doesn't fly put of the other side.

I suggest you read this article. It's instructive

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/skyscrapers.pdf





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    Originally posted by Dahak
    So what exactly are you saying? Was the plane that hit the Pentagon a fighter? So then what did the US do with the airliner and the 150 or so people on the plane? If they had stolen the airliner then why use a fighter?
    As far as the "missile shell" uhm I don't think missiles have shells. Also isn't it more probable that it was some type of debris from an 75,000lb plane hitting the tower at almost 300 mph?
    And this brings me back to my main point. Why would the US do this? Either the US is a democracy (sort of) that is a decent country with flaws OR it's completely evil country that is ruled by a secret dictatorship and 99% of the country is unaware of the truth.



The government lies, its obvious and whatever happened on September 11, 2001 was offly a big thing to pull off with just 12 people (suposivly) and box cutters. There was even a plane reported stolen that was never located that day! What about that plane that crashed in Harlem New York late 2001 out of no where? Why was there no body's foudn at the pentagon, and military plane parts were at the site! Why was world trade center 7 imploded, and yes it was because the owner of that building has admitted it, meanwhile the government says differently. Ya, the official reports of september 11, 2001 says, "2 planes crashed into the WTC's, 1 plane crashed into the pentagon (and military planes parts were found) and somehow a plane in Penn state went down and the parts of the plane were scattered miles away from each other, sure, bullshit, oh, and why would the US do this? Well, I'm sure they would do it to take away our freedom for safety so we would end up in the mess we are in now, in Iraq, which has nothing to do with 9/11, and let me ask you something, Where is the proof that proves the government right when they sold the evidense illegally to international countrys to dispose?

http://www.youtube.com/v/CDx1GLqvBO8

http://www.youtube.com/v/wJZlZP0vbCE

http://www.youtube.com/v/-J7ipvgBLGc






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Zeruel edit: Same as above, re: http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=25223

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OK, convince me.

What is it, specifically, in your background that makes you more qualified than all of the experts, all of the scientists, all of the members of government who say that one thing happened while you say the other?

Surely you don't think that merely disbelieving in something is enough to make it true?

Let me put it a different way. I am not a religious person. I don't choose to believe in any religion right now for the lack of information that I can see that backs up any of them. Every religion I have looked into has flaws in their creation story which do not match the scientific evidence that I can find. My evidence comes from peer reviewed scientific journals, eminent scientists. The basic tenets of evolution, one of the greatest nails in the coffin of traditional creation myths, are so accepted by science as to be practically declared a fact.

Still, as an intelligent guy with all of this highly credible evidence, it's almost impossible for me to convince people who want to believe in creationism that their story is a conspiracy. That conspiracy is so much more clear, with so many people lying or distorting facts in their own self interest, yet people want to believe it and refuse to look at the evidence, going so far as to say that the devil planted fossils as a way to mislead Christians, or to question the methodology of scientists, somehow implying that it isn't possible that scientists have it correct because there is always one experiment they can point to where a result was disproven.

Compare this with your situation. You are presumably a 19 year old guy who lives in or near New York. You've obviously searched the web a bit, but I'm not sure that you are really vetting your information for accuracy or objectivity.

For instance, I watched a little bit of that Loose Change documentary, but got tired of it. It's all circumstancial evidence, and not even that good. Here were some points they brought up: Two different reports had pictures of the twin towers on them prior to 9/11. I'm not disputing that evidence at all. BUT - you have to remember, prior to 9/11, the biggest terrorist attack on the US in recent history had been the World Trade Center bombing. The WTC was already identified as a terrorist risk because it had already been attacked. This is hardly evidence that the government was going to fly a plane into a building.

There are a number of scenarios planned out every year by the Center for Disease Control. One of them involved an airborne agent like Anthrax being released from an elevated freeway upwind of a major sporting facility. I lived in San Diego until this last year, and if you've ever been there this is a perfect description of the elevated 805 corridor to the West of Qualcomm stadium. Now, knowing this has been anticipated and they have made plans, does this mean the government is trying to kill everyone at Qualcomm during a football game?

No, it means they are trying to figure out what they would need to do to save them in case it ever happened.

The military has exercises every year in all of the theaters. Does this mean that we are going to actually invade every year? Of course not. We want them to be ready in case there is an attack or we need to attack.

Buerocrats write reports all the time. It's what paper pushers do instead of doing boots on the ground work. I wouldn't be surprised to find that every possible scenario had been gone through once for a New York disaster scenario. Just because they have looked at it doesn't mean they did it.

I'm not going to go into the sheer physics equations for Kinetic Energy, but just think about it a little. If you've ever watched a baseball game where Randy Johnson is pitching upwards of 100 miles per hour and your hear the pop in the catchers glove when the ball hits, you know there is a lot of force there. The towers were the catchers glove, and the pitch was 3 times faster... but the weight was over 900,000 times heavier. A baesball is at most 5.25 ounces where the plane most likely over 300,000 lbs. If that doesn't work for you, try to imagine what it would look like if 150 cars travelling 300 mph hit a semi full of fuel that was parked lengthwise across the freeway. Can you see how that would throw stuff out the other side of a building that was 90% air, 10% structure? You have to remember that people walk through buildings and work in them, they aren't solid things.

I'm not trying to dog you here. You just don't seem to be making the right choices for who to trust. There are always going to be nutballs on the fringe of society who try to tell you that its all a big lie. You are only 19 and haven't seen this many times, I'm guessing. There are people who think that we've never been to the moon, too. They are also easily proven wrong if someone is willing to be rational and look at the evidence, but it seems like for some people it is more important to believe the story than to look at the evidence.

I find it ironic that you say that "People doubt things too much somtimes". The person who is doubting the most is you. You refuse to stop, take a rational look at the evidence, and then think about it. You seem to accept everything that is naysaying as true and then ask people to think about it.



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I admit, I whole heartedly believe that what we have been told about the events on 9/11 are only 'a part' of what actually happened... but this guy's a complete nutcase.

If you want to sway people over to your thinking, start small THEN get into the bigger stuff.

...and NEVER use anything Pat Buchanan says or believes. He's worse then any of us. Shit, remember how he was selling those videos about Clinton being a murderer? You don't wanna go there.
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    OK, convince me.

    What is it, specifically, in your background that makes you more qualified than all of the experts, all of the scientists, all of the members of government who say that one thing happened while you say the other?

    Surely you don't think that merely disbelieving in something is enough to make it true?

    Let me put it a different way. I am not a religious person. I don't choose to believe in any religion right now for the lack of information that I can see that backs up any of them. Every religion I have looked into has flaws in their creation story which do not match the scientific evidence that I can find. My evidence comes from peer reviewed scientific journals, eminent scientists. The basic tenets of evolution, one of the greatest nails in the coffin of traditional creation myths, are so accepted by science as to be practically declared a fact.

    Still, as an intelligent guy with all of this highly credible evidence, it's almost impossible for me to convince people who want to believe in creationism that their story is a conspiracy. That conspiracy is so much more clear, with so many people lying or distorting facts in their own self interest, yet people want to believe it and refuse to look at the evidence, going so far as to say that the devil planted fossils as a way to mislead Christians, or to question the methodology of scientists, somehow implying that it isn't possible that scientists have it correct because there is always one experiment they can point to where a result was disproven.

    Compare this with your situation. You are presumably a 19 year old guy who lives in or near New York. You've obviously searched the web a bit, but I'm not sure that you are really vetting your information for accuracy or objectivity.

    For instance, I watched a little bit of that Loose Change documentary, but got tired of it. It's all circumstancial evidence, and not even that good. Here were some points they brought up: Two different reports had pictures of the twin towers on them prior to 9/11. I'm not disputing that evidence at all. BUT - you have to remember, prior to 9/11, the biggest terrorist attack on the US in recent history had been the World Trade Center bombing. The WTC was already identified as a terrorist risk because it had already been attacked. This is hardly evidence that the government was going to fly a plane into a building.

    There are a number of scenarios planned out every year by the Center for Disease Control. One of them involved an airborne agent like Anthrax being released from an elevated freeway upwind of a major sporting facility. I lived in San Diego until this last year, and if you've ever been there this is a perfect description of the elevated 805 corridor to the West of Qualcomm stadium. Now, knowing this has been anticipated and they have made plans, does this mean the government is trying to kill everyone at Qualcomm during a football game?

    No, it means they are trying to figure out what they would need to do to save them in case it ever happened.

    The military has exercises every year in all of the theaters. Does this mean that we are going to actually invade every year? Of course not. We want them to be ready in case there is an attack or we need to attack.

    Buerocrats write reports all the time. It's what paper pushers do instead of doing boots on the ground work. I wouldn't be surprised to find that every possible scenario had been gone through once for a New York disaster scenario. Just because they have looked at it doesn't mean they did it.

    I'm not going to go into the sheer physics equations for Kinetic Energy, but just think about it a little. If you've ever watched a baseball game where Randy Johnson is pitching upwards of 100 miles per hour and your hear the pop in the catchers glove when the ball hits, you know there is a lot of force there. The towers were the catchers glove, and the pitch was 3 times faster... but the weight was over 900,000 times heavier. A baesball is at most 5.25 ounces where the plane most likely over 300,000 lbs. If that doesn't work for you, try to imagine what it would look like if 150 cars travelling 300 mph hit a semi full of fuel that was parked lengthwise across the freeway. Can you see how that would throw stuff out the other side of a building that was 90% air, 10% structure? You have to remember that people walk through buildings and work in them, they aren't solid things.

    I'm not trying to dog you here. You just don't seem to be making the right choices for who to trust. There are always going to be nutballs on the fringe of society who try to tell you that its all a big lie. You are only 19 and haven't seen this many times, I'm guessing. There are people who think that we've never been to the moon, too. They are also easily proven wrong if someone is willing to be rational and look at the evidence, but it seems like for some people it is more important to believe the story than to look at the evidence.

    I find it ironic that you say that "People doubt things too much somtimes". The person who is doubting the most is you. You refuse to stop, take a rational look at the evidence, and then think about it. You seem to accept everything that is naysaying as true and then ask people to think about it.


First of all, don't you ever insult my intelligence. I have not doubted anything because when that shit happened I believed everything that the government said happened for atleast 4 years, and I joined the amry to help find bin laden, but guess what guys, we are not hunting bin laden at all! We are going into Iran next, very soon... and I knew that 6 months ago. Iran and Iraq have nothing to do with what happened on 9/11. Our government used 9/11 as a fucking excuse to send us there and you fucking know it! I happen to know it first hand. I live very close to New York City over in Connecticut, where I saw people that came out of new york city covered in dust in my city that day, and your opinion dosn't matter to me because there are so many facts proving the government's story wrong that its bullshit and if you want to argue that, then show me the facts that prove the government right. If you don't have that to provide, then don't even bother to comment because I used to believe and I have no reason to believe no more.
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    Originally posted by aftershock14520
    Our government used 9/11 as a fucking excuse to send us there and you fucking know it!


What does that prove? The government's willingness to politically exploit an event doesn't automatically mean that they manufacture every event they exploit.

    Originally posted by aftershock14520
    your opinion dosn't matter to me


Then why bring it up? If your belief is enough and you don't care who you can convince, why discuss it at all?

While I'm at it...

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Let me put it a different way. I am not a religious person. I don't choose to believe in any religion right now for the lack of information that I can see that backs up any of them. Every religion I have looked into has flaws in their creation story which do not match the scientific evidence that I can find. My evidence comes from peer reviewed scientific journals, eminent scientists. The basic tenets of evolution, one of the greatest nails in the coffin of traditional creation myths, are so accepted by science as to be practically declared a fact.


You're certainly entitled to your lack of faith, but I find this justification for it a little specious. Judging a religion by its creation myth is like buying a car based on its cupholders. No religion's creation story matches up perfectly with scientific evidence, but not all of them require a slavish adherence to those incongruent details. Religion certainly requires one to swallow a lot of stuff that aren't logically true or even plausible, but biblical literalism is not necessarily one of them.
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No Secondary Explosions, heh?

No Secondary Explosives? Heh?
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