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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by Snookum
    So TNA will be paying for the time they appear on Spike? I thought they may have finally struck a deal where it was the other way around.


According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings.

And to the last 2 morons, the ring is SIX SIDES, not 8. Get it right baka.




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
Esqueeze me?


Six sides, eight sides, it's still stupid and annoying to watch. As far as I've seen, it doesn't really add anything to the match quality either.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
"According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings."

The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.


Hey you could be right. I'm not totally sure if going to the channel that WWE is leaving is the best thing to do. But this is the option they chose so I hope they make the best of it.

Until then, TNA is still producing better wrestling shows than WWE.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    Esqueeze me?


    Six sides, eight sides, it's still stupid and annoying to watch. As far as I've seen, it doesn't really add anything to the match quality either.


Six sides, eight sides. As far as I've seen, it doesn't really subtract anything from the match quality either.



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#26 Posted on
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings."

    The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.


Yeah, because a promotion has never been able to have its flagship show on Saturday Nights and be successful

Just forget about Saturday Night's Main Event and WCW Saturday Night.

(edited by Fro on 23.7.05 1827)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.86
    Originally posted by Fro
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      "According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings."

      The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.


    Yeah, because a promotion has never been able to have its flagship show on Saturday Nights and be successful

    Just forget about Saturday Night's Main Event and WCW Saturday Night.

    (edited by Fro on 23.7.05 1827)


Well, SNME wasn't WWF's "flagship show". It may have been their most important shows in some ways, but it wasn't a weekly show. Syndication and Prime Time Wrestling (is that the right one?) were more important because they were weekly.

As for whatever was airing on TBS at the time, there's a difference between an early Saturday evening timeslot and what TNA is going to get (rumoured to be the Velocity slot). Plus, it wasn't like WCW/NWA/Georgia were little known promotions trying to make their mark on the national wrestling audience.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.


    Hey you could be right. I'm not totally sure if going to the channel that WWE is leaving is the best thing to do. But this is the option they chose so I hope they make the best of it.

    Until then, TNA is still producing better wrestling shows than WWE.


I'm not really contract savy, but if Impact were to get serious ratings and could a draw for networks. What stops them from jumping ship, or demanding to get compensated for their ratings?



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.60
    Originally posted by BigSteve
      Originally posted by Fro
        Originally posted by oldschoolhero
        "According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings."

        The exposure brought in by going head-to-head with Raw-and thereby opening up Uncle Eric's box o' dirty tricks to use against them-could well hve beenw orth the trade-off of having to continue to pay if they became successful. Now they're stuck in a death slot traditionally abandone dby modern wrestling fans and face with the mountainous task of mking that into a ratings success. I'd say that this hole is a worse one to crawl out of than that of having to carry on paying once you start bringing in the dough. Just MODO, tho.


      Yeah, because a promotion has never been able to have its flagship show on Saturday Nights and be successful

      Just forget about Saturday Night's Main Event and WCW Saturday Night.

      (edited by Fro on 23.7.05 1827)


    Well, SNME wasn't WWF's "flagship show". It may have been their most important shows in some ways, but it wasn't a weekly show. Syndication and Prime Time Wrestling (is that the right one?) were more important because they were weekly.

    As for whatever was airing on TBS at the time, there's a difference between an early Saturday evening timeslot and what TNA is going to get (rumoured to be the Velocity slot). Plus, it wasn't like WCW/NWA/Georgia were little known promotions trying to make their mark on the national wrestling audience.


Yeah, speaking as a 22-to-30-year-old male, ostensibly a major wrestling demographic, 11:00 PM on a Saturday night is probably the worst time possible for a TV show to be on.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
    Originally posted by Fro
    Yeah, because a promotion has never been able to have its flagship show on Saturday Nights and be successful

    Just forget about Saturday Night's Main Event and WCW Saturday Night.


As someone who grew up watching NWA/WCW Saturday Night, let me add that it was a two-hour show broadcast right at dinnertime.

It also, in this area any ways, was just one of THREE NWA/WCW shows available on Saturday -- a hour of taped house-show footage on Saturday morning on TBS, a syndicated Mid-Atlantic hourlong show that eventually was replaced by the syndicated WCW hour show featuring the Brickhouse commentary, and the 6-8 Saturday night show on TBS. That doesn't count the late '90s Florida studio syndicated show that came on at 11:30. That's three separate channels showing WCW material in one day.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.24
    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by Snookum
      So TNA will be paying for the time they appear on Spike? I thought they may have finally struck a deal where it was the other way around.


    According to the deal Spike TV will eventually start paying for the show if they bring in the ratings and possibly give them a second hour. Eventually paying for the show was not something WGN was willing to do even if they brought in ratings.

    And to the last 2 morons, the ring is SIX SIDES, not 8. Get it right baka.


Still ridiculous. It's not correct.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
It's six-sided.

FROM TNA's Spike-TV Press Release:

TNA iMPACT! TO TELECAST ON SPIKE TV!

New York, NY (July 21, 2005) – TNA Entertainment, LLC has signed a deal with Spike TV to telecast TNA (Total Nonstop Action) Wrestling’s weekly action athletic entertainment series “iMPACT!” The weekly one-hour show will join Spike TV’s popular “Slammin’ Saturday Night” programming block starting this Fall, taping at Soundstage 21 at Universal Studios in Orlando, FL.

“We are thrilled to be coming to Spike TV,” said Dixie Carter, President, TNA Entertainment, LLC. “We look forward to bringing our exciting style of Total Non-stop Action and entertainment to their male viewers.”

The new wrestling alternative, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling’s iMPACT! delivers a distinct brand of high-risk, live-action athletic entertainment. TNA’s roster includes some of the most exciting and recognizable stars in wrestling today such as, Jeff Jarrett, Raven, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles, Abyss, Sean Waltman, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown and others. TNA features the high-flying “X Division,” the “Six-Sided Ring,” and concept matches such as “Ultimate X,” “King of the Mountain,” and “Six Sides of Steel.”

TNA Entertainment, LLC is a privately held company headquartered in Nashville, TN. TNA programming is currently available in 118 countries. TNA is also available on monthly pay-per-view on iN DEMAND, DIRECTV, Dish Network and TVN as well as Viewer’s Choice, Bell ExpressVu and Shaw PPV in Canada. The names of all Total Nonstop Action Wrestling televised programming, talent names, images, likenesses, slogans and all TNA Wrestling logos and trademarks are exclusive property of TNA Entertainment, LLC. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. For more information, visit www.tnawrestling.com.

Spike TV, the first network for men, is available in 88 million homes and is a division of MTV Networks. MTV Networks, a division of Viacom International Inc. (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B).


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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.72
If people don't like the six-sided ring, they don't have to watch and probably won't. Actually, they probably will and then come on here to complain about it.

Seriously though, I've watched TNA when I've been able to this year, and the six-sided ring seems to be a good evolution for wrestling. The purists will stick to their guns and cry foul anytime changes are made to what they're used to. It happened in NFL with instant replay, it's happening right now with the NHL removing its center-line to allow two-line passes, and I suppose we might start hearing more of it once TNA hits its national audience on a broader scale than they've ever had.

Like someone already said, the six-sided ring doesn't take ANYTHING away from the wrestling. Some might say it doesn't add anything. Fine, that's their opinion.

I'd argue that these people haven't really seen much of TNA, if anything, and rather they've only looked at photos on the net. That's speculation on my part. But I'll make it anyway because I've watched enough of TNA to know that the six-sides allow the wrestlers to be more innovative and even brings wrestling back to its amateur roots.

Amateur wrestling is done in a circle. Is that stupid also? What makes a square the perfect shape for a ring? The six-sided ring is actually pretty close to a circle. Is UFC stupid for using an octagon? I fail to see how six sides is the magical number at which point the wrestling inside those ropes suffers.

We'll have to see how the viewers take to TNA. With so many channels out there, any wrestling company or sport or anything is going to have a harder time getting viewers. But I'll be watching or at least setting my VCR to record.

TNA's production values are drastically improved from what they were six months ago, nevermind during the first couple years. The shows are heavily driven by wrestling, not soap opera segments. So for all those fans who complain about WWE not having enough wrestling, I bet you'll like what you see on Spike TV this fall. The X-Division is the best thing to happen to North American wrestling in the past few years.






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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
    Originally posted by chill
    The purists will stick to their guns and cry foul anytime changes are made to what they're used to. It happened in NFL with instant replay, it's happening right now with the NHL removing its center-line to allow two-line passes



I have no problem with change. I love instant replay and I love that the NHL is removing its center-line. But there's just something about the 6-sided ring that's kinda of a annoying distraction to me.....just like the glowing puck was in the NHL.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
    Originally posted by chill
    A's production values are drastically improved from what they were six months ago, nevermind during the first couple years. The shows are heavily driven by wrestling, not soap opera segments. So for all those fans who complain about WWE not having enough wrestling, I bet you'll like what you see on Spike TV this fall. The X-Division is the best thing to happen to North American wrestling in the past few years.





The wrestling driven product and the X division is the main reason I've switched to TNA and stopped watching WWE.

And even with a six sided ring, this year alone I've seen better matches and MOTYC's on TNA wrestling as compared to WWE. So its obviously NOT hurting the product.

(edited by The Vile1 on 27.7.05 1029)



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.75
The way I see it:

-More wrestling on TV, whatever night it's on, is a good thing for wrestling fans in general.

-More variety in the wrestling that gets on TV (i.e. more than one company, one than one roster) is a good thing for wrestling fans in general.

I don't think the Saturday night slot is doomed to failure. If Spike offers a solid lead-in show in the precdeding time slot, and something to wait up for after, they will retain viewers. Also, not everyone has a social engagement EVERY Saturday, and occasional viewers will become repeart veiwers if they like product. It's an ideal timeslot for kids and young teenagers, especially if it's MORE like the kind of wrestling WE grew up watching, hexagonal ring notwithstanding.


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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
Adult Swim shows do fine in the Saturday timeslot.




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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
"If Spike offers a solid lead-in show in the precdeding time slot, and something to wait up for after, they will retain viewers."

The lead-in is going to be the (hit, though not proven on Saturdays either) Ultimate Fighter show. So that goes in their favor.

You figure much like the ECW PPV, the first episode of Impact is something that a giant chunk of the internet audience is going to tune in for when they might not normally [buy an off-month PPV/watch an episode of TNA].

That plus significant (or not?) promotion from Spike* should let them do an above-average-for-TNA number their first night in. But what's above-average for TNA? The first ECW on TNN did a .9, and without exaggerating its mythos, ECW had significantly more popularity, recognizability, and breadth than TNA ever has. TNA on FSN peaked around I think a .25. Velocity does between .5 and .7.

* If I were Doug Herzog, I would sell it as CSI: Orlando. They can investigate Candido's death.

What I'm getting at, through mathematics, is that if you've got a lot invested in TNA, as I can tell that the Vile One does, then you should probably temper your expectations for what this show is going to do when it gets on Spike. For them to match Velocity at .5 would mean that they doubled their biggest ever audience. For them to match ECW on TNN would mean they quadrupled it.

Even with TNA paying Spike for the timeslot, I wouldn't argue that this isn't a huge step for them, because I never thought they'd be able to get on Spike on Sundays at 5 a.m., let alone Saturday nights. I just wanted to put into perspective where they're at in terms of audience and how much they need to grow (i.e. just because you're putting on a monthly PPV like the big kids do doesn't mean you're still not relatively tiny).

Getting their foot in the door of a major cable network is, well, major. Next goal: putting on a nuclear hot first show so that they retain the first night audience with an atypically large amount of eyeballs on them, so that the ratings don't turn out like the XFL first week on 1/200th the scale.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
    Originally posted by Shapiro
    The lead-in is going to be the (hit, though not proven on Saturdays either) Ultimate Fighter show. So that goes in their favor.


Wasn't TUF basically doing a one-point-something on Monday nights? And that was with Raw leading into it (which itself is doing at least double that rating). Don't get me wrong, TUF did a nice little rating for its timeslot and has to be considered a success story, but I really don't see that bringing any new eyeballs to Impact considering that TUF lost half the viewers of a good, similar lead-in on Mondays.

I don't think that this is an impossible timeslot for TNA. However, they have to actively give people a reason to watch or at least Tivo. Lots of people do go out on the weekends that might make an effort to catch a good show but not an OK show. Like I've said before, I hope that TNA is successful, but if it turns into Jeff Jarrett's Funhouse then it won't last too long.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.90
My expectations for TNA's ratings on Spike TV are NOT that high. I'm just happy they got some sort of TV deal and I hope they can do well in this new environment. If TNA's fucked, I'll still watch it as long as they are delivering the superior to WWE quality matches and PPV's they are now.




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