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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.99
JBL was being attacked by Balls Mahoney, J.T.Smith, Tracey Smothers, Mikey Whipwreck, and The Sandman when Bubba Ray pulled him out of the ring. The blood on his sleeve most likely came from Sandman, who was to JBL's left side (where the blood on the sleeve appeared) choking him with a kendo stick.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    As a non-ECW fan, I thought I could come in and rate the show objectively. I didn't pay for it, but a friend was getting it and taped it. I watched it and a lot of it was really no good for someone who isn't an ECW mark. A lot of the retrospectives, for example, were lost on me since I had never seen that stuff before. The only two matches I really liked were the opener and the Masato/Awesome match, which was so incredibly destructive you had to love it. I realize his limitations but Awesome really looked like a star. Joey Styles sounded like a retard during that match going off on Awesome like that. No one dresses down Ric Flair for doing the same thing in '91. The rest was just okay, though honourable mention must go to the Super Crazy insanity spot of the night. The RVD "shoot" was fine, but you still have to take points off for the fact that he was given permission to do the shoot on a show that made Vince McMahon money. Heyman's stuff was less impressive, but I'm glad he made an appearance. The last match with all those guest shots and the added Austin factor was just annoying to me. I may not have been an ECW hardcore, seeing only a little of it here and there, but I know for a fact Austin just passed through there and yet they made him the star of the show.

    I dunno, a good show but for anyone objective not nearly what you guys are making it out to be. I would put it behind wrestlemania for sure, and not even its best matches came within a mile of Michaels/Angle. I personally enjoyed the Cena/JBL brawl from Judgment Day more than most of the matches on this show, as well, as well as the Eddie/Rey match from that show. I thought the incredible storylines for those feuds really added to those matches, and that was one thing about this ECW show...there were no stories to uphold it, so ultimately there isn't an incentive for any emotional investment in what you're seeing, as spectacular as that might be.

    I also hate ECW crowds. Something about chanting she's a crack whore at a pregnant woman just seems wrong.

    Still, a good and interesting experiment overall.


Interestingly enough, I thought the "crack whore" chant was actually like an homage to Dawn, given that was her trademark chant during ECW days. I know it's hard for you to see that, but an ECW fan would recognize the significance. It was like an old time chant for nostalgia's sake.

Joey Styles always sounds like an idiot, that's his deal. Awesome did ditch the company, so Joey is expected to flip on it. Flair never ditched ECW, so he never got ripped on like this. ECW fans and members always took things a LOT more personal. That was part of the cult-like atmosphere.

You can't "rate" the matches and judge the PPV by that factor. Not being an ECW fan, you wouldn't get the same joy out of it that I, or may of us did. We wouldn't expect you to rate the show higher than us. Sure WrestleMania was "better", but for the true ECW following, this was the one we'll never forget. I truly felt like a young wrestling fan again, actually marking out for the first time since I was a pimply faced 15 year old.

That said, having the show end with Austin's music doing the beer bash thing...that just felt too WWE for me. It's one of those cases though, where how can you really complain? We got run in after run in, surprises up the wazoo, and the classic ECW atmosphere. I'll look past a Stunner or two.

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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    Awesome did ditch the company, so Joey is expected to flip on it. Flair never ditched ECW, so he never got ripped on like this. ECW fans and members always took things a LOT more personal. That was part of the cult-like atmosphere.


There's that, and there's the following:

* When you're leaving a company and you're the champ, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.

For example, how did Awesome get the belt in the first place? Because then-champ Taz stuck around for the PPV, jobbed cleanly, and sucked up the razzing from the crowd in the process. Taz got the belt before him because Shane Douglas was WCW-bound and did the job accordingly, and so on.

Awesome took the money and ran while still under contract and still holding the belt, by comparison, with no apparent intentions of helping ECW maintain its title lineage and save face. It took lawsuits to set up the gloriously goofy "WWF guy vs. WCW guy for an ECW title" resolution.

* Awesome left at a critical point in ECW's history, when he was one of the only established stars (so to speak) they had left. It says something that he was defending against the likes of Spike Dudley and Kid Kash before his defection. After he bailed, the belt went onto Justin Credible sort of by default, and _that_ subsequent summer of agony hastened the failure of the promotion dramatically.

Would ECW have survived if Awesome had remained as champ? Nope, but his defection was certainly a big turning point, and it's far from surprising that those closely identified with the promotion (like Styles) would hold a serious grudge.




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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Actually, there was one guy that I didn't recognize in the ECW Remembers segment. He was right before the Pitbull who died... they were using real names, so I wouldn't have recognized him from that. And as for Bubba Ray, didn't Mick Foley call himself a second-rate Terry Funk in the same sentence?

    It takes a LOT to get me to buy a PPV. They did not disappoint at fucking all. Let this be the beginning of something bigger. Just not TOO big.


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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.18
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    JBL probably didn't think it would stand out on that show of all shows. I mean, if you step back for a moment and think about it, it was a show that featured dives off balconies, powerbombs through tables, ten thousand unprotected chairshots, fire code violations among other atrocities. But a few legit punches and people are offended? It's absurd when you think about it. That's not to say that Bradshaw isn't a dick, only to point out that he was in the perfect environment to pull such a stunt, one where people don't look out for each other's safety in the least. Who in that dressing room could have the moral authority lecture him?

HMD, I usually agree with ya on most things, but not on this. There's a difference between putting someone thru a table in a match and shooting on a guy in a battle royal environment because you didn't like what he wrote about you on the internet. Just like the TE thing with Matt- it's about trusting your opponent.

It's not just that it's "a few legit punches," its that it was in a WORKED environment, with Meanie not expecting it.

I only wish Bubba hadn't pulled JBL out of the ring, and the ECW guys finished having their way with him.



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#66 Posted on
i thought this was a great PPV. i wasn't a watcher of ECW [although i followed it by word of mouth and such] and did catch it when i could.

saying that, i liked this even more then any other PPV because it felt real. not the 'wrestling' but the emotion in the room and the wrestlers. it felt like this was there last match [which it might of been for some], something you can't fake. the wrestling was great and it seemed everything had a purpose.

so with all that, do you see ECW coming back in anyway? as a invasion into the WWE? hell, i never liked Lance Storm that much [mainly cause i watched him on WWE] but after that, i think he could take on Benjamin for the belt. i just feel the WWE would be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't act upon this. they just showed what wrestling in the WWE could be.

here is to hoping!
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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    That said, having the show end with Austin's music doing the beer bash thing...that just felt too WWE for me.


Didn't Austin use "Jesus Christ Superstar" for his entrance in ECW? That would have been a pretty awesome throwback.
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.41
Geemoney, after a moment of reflection I actually retract my previous statement. I didn't realize JBL blindsided him, but after reading Meanie's comments on the incident (don't know how I missed them before), I actually would err on the side of JBL being a dick. I do stand by my belief, however, that the environment cotributed in a definite way to him being able to get away with it.



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.18
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Geemoney, after a moment of reflection I actually retract my previous statement. I didn't realize JBL blindsided him, but after reading Meanie's comments on the incident (don't know how I missed them before), I actually would err on the side of JBL being a dick. I do stand by my belief, however, that the environment cotributed in a definite way to him being able to get away with it.

Oh, absolutely. I think along with the environment, Keller mentioned in his audio update that when the sides squared off, the wrestlers were told to jaw back and forth, and he verbally went after JBL. JBL took it as to continue the "feud" that Meanie started on the 'net, and Meanie took it as, "hey, it's just a work, man. I'm doin' what I was told."

I'm sure JBL did it because he knew there'd be no reprucussions for him. I don't expect there to be any, anyway.



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
I enjoyed ECW as much as most, but guys, there's a reason it wasn't a moneymaker, it didn't appeal to the average fan enough. At first I was thinking a one hour show a week could last, if promoted by the WWE properly, but like some are pointing out, it would take away too much from their established stars.
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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.78
    Originally posted by vsp
      Originally posted by FurryHippie
      Awesome did ditch the company, so Joey is expected to flip on it. Flair never ditched ECW, so he never got ripped on like this. ECW fans and members always took things a LOT more personal. That was part of the cult-like atmosphere.


    There's that, and there's the following:

    * When you're leaving a company and you're the champ, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.

    For example, how did Awesome get the belt in the first place? Because then-champ Taz stuck around for the PPV, jobbed cleanly, and sucked up the razzing from the crowd in the process. Taz got the belt before him because Shane Douglas was WCW-bound and did the job accordingly, and so on.

    Awesome took the money and ran while still under contract and still holding the belt, by comparison, with no apparent intentions of helping ECW maintain its title lineage and save face. It took lawsuits to set up the gloriously goofy "WWF guy vs. WCW guy for an ECW title" resolution.

    * Awesome left at a critical point in ECW's history, when he was one of the only established stars (so to speak) they had left. It says something that he was defending against the likes of Spike Dudley and Kid Kash before his defection. After he bailed, the belt went onto Justin Credible sort of by default, and _that_ subsequent summer of agony hastened the failure of the promotion dramatically.

    Would ECW have survived if Awesome had remained as champ? Nope, but his defection was certainly a big turning point, and it's far from surprising that those closely identified with the promotion (like Styles) would hold a serious grudge.



But wasn't Awesome not getting paid at the time? I know that there were a lot of times that Heyman didn't have the money to pay guys what they were owed, and I believe that this was one of those times. If that was the case, he has to look out for number one, to hell with the guy that owes him money.

If that isn't the case, then you're absolutely right. I could be wrong on this so if you or anyone can clarify for me that would be much appreciated.
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
Few fans, no matter how well-read and devoted to the business, truly know what goes on behind the scenes. Except for a few instances I have trouble blaming the wrestlers for anything they do, legally.

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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by BigSteve
      Originally posted by vsp
        Originally posted by FurryHippie
        Awesome did ditch the company, so Joey is expected to flip on it. Flair never ditched ECW, so he never got ripped on like this. ECW fans and members always took things a LOT more personal. That was part of the cult-like atmosphere.


      There's that, and there's the following:

      * When you're leaving a company and you're the champ, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.

      For example, how did Awesome get the belt in the first place? Because then-champ Taz stuck around for the PPV, jobbed cleanly, and sucked up the razzing from the crowd in the process. Taz got the belt before him because Shane Douglas was WCW-bound and did the job accordingly, and so on.

      Awesome took the money and ran while still under contract and still holding the belt, by comparison, with no apparent intentions of helping ECW maintain its title lineage and save face. It took lawsuits to set up the gloriously goofy "WWF guy vs. WCW guy for an ECW title" resolution.

      * Awesome left at a critical point in ECW's history, when he was one of the only established stars (so to speak) they had left. It says something that he was defending against the likes of Spike Dudley and Kid Kash before his defection. After he bailed, the belt went onto Justin Credible sort of by default, and _that_ subsequent summer of agony hastened the failure of the promotion dramatically.

      Would ECW have survived if Awesome had remained as champ? Nope, but his defection was certainly a big turning point, and it's far from surprising that those closely identified with the promotion (like Styles) would hold a serious grudge.



    But wasn't Awesome not getting paid at the time? I know that there were a lot of times that Heyman didn't have the money to pay guys what they were owed, and I believe that this was one of those times. If that was the case, he has to look out for number one, to hell with the guy that owes him money.

    If that isn't the case, then you're absolutely right. I could be wrong on this so if you or anyone can clarify for me that would be much appreciated.


It all depends on the situation. Regardless of if he wasn't being paid, he was the champion of the company, and he at LEAST owed them the respect of dropping the title before he left. He decided instead to just jump without warning, creating that whole mess. I don't know the whole story about the payments and whatnot, but to ME it's irrelevant. Despite the money situation, he owed it to the company that made him a name in America to at least do the right thing on his way out.
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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.78

    It all depends on the situation. Regardless of if he wasn't being paid, he was the champion of the company, and he at LEAST owed them the respect of dropping the title before he left. He decided instead to just jump without warning, creating that whole mess. I don't know the whole story about the payments and whatnot, but to ME it's irrelevant. Despite the money situation, he owed it to the company that made him a name in America to at least do the right thing on his way out.


Do you really feel that way? Let's say you work for Company A. They hired you out of college and gave you your "break' in your chosen field. They haven't paid you in two months. Company B calls you. They are more reputable, offer you more money, and you're sure to be paid at specified intervals. What are you gonna do, give two weeks notice and finish up your work at Company A, or are you going to go to Company B right away because you've got bills to pay?

Like I said before, I don't know whether that was the case or not. I may well be wrong. But if I am right, and Awesome got stiffed on paychecks, I'm of the opinion that he owed Heyman nothing. If Heyman can't give him the money he's owed so that he can put food on his table, then Awesome certainly doesn't owe him the courtesy of losing a fake wrestling match for a fake wrestling title. If we're going to talk about people not losing titles on the way out we'd probably be better off rehashing Montreal. :-) (Now that's not to say that Awesome wouldn't have been a hell of a guy to do one job on his way out so Heyman wouldn't be up the creek, but I certainly don't think that that should be expected of anybody.)
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.49
    Originally posted by BigSteve

      It all depends on the situation. Regardless of if he wasn't being paid, he was the champion of the company, and he at LEAST owed them the respect of dropping the title before he left. He decided instead to just jump without warning, creating that whole mess. I don't know the whole story about the payments and whatnot, but to ME it's irrelevant. Despite the money situation, he owed it to the company that made him a name in America to at least do the right thing on his way out.


    Do you really feel that way? Let's say you work for Company A. They hired you out of college and gave you your "break' in your chosen field. They haven't paid you in two months. Company B calls you. They are more reputable, offer you more money, and you're sure to be paid at specified intervals. What are you gonna do, give two weeks notice and finish up your work at Company A, or are you going to go to Company B right away because you've got bills to pay?

    Like I said before, I don't know whether that was the case or not. I may well be wrong. But if I am right, and Awesome got stiffed on paychecks, I'm of the opinion that he owed Heyman nothing. If Heyman can't give him the money he's owed so that he can put food on his table, then Awesome certainly doesn't owe him the courtesy of losing a fake wrestling match for a fake wrestling title. If we're going to talk about people not losing titles on the way out we'd probably be better off rehashing Montreal. :-) (Now that's not to say that Awesome wouldn't have been a hell of a guy to do one job on his way out so Heyman wouldn't be up the creek, but I certainly don't think that that should be expected of anybody.)


That's not a valid comparison. Although wrestling is indeed FAKE, Awesome's choice to not drop the title (which isn't a two week notice deal, like in your example - it's just one quick match) - affected ECW publicly. If I needed more money and I was to leave the company, my departure wouldn't "harm" the company the same way somebody that is the centerpiece (arguably, as champion) of a public "sport" company would. My leaving a business for more money isn't comparable to Awesome devaluing a company's reputation, superstars, etc. by leaving the company without a top guy.

To relate to your example, however, I have no problem with Awesome leaving for more money. I don't disagree with Awesome's choice to leave at all. I never said he should stick around, did I? I understand why feeding your family is more important...BUT....there's also a standard human courtesy you extend to the company you're leaving: Just drop the title to the next guy before you go. The Awesome/Tazz/Dreamer solution was much messier because of Awesome's lack of general human courtesy to just do the job, wipe his hands clean, and go to WCW.

I do see your point...he doesn't owe Heyman anything from a business point. Man to man though - different story. It's not as if Heyman went out of his way to screw Awesome out of his money, ya know? Just drop the title. No need to harm the company the way he did. That's how people burn bridges.

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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
I finally saw it last night, and having read some of the reviews beforehand, I expected to be subsequently underwhelmed. Nope, not one bit.

A great show, a blast. The staple of ECW PPVs was that I always felt exhausted afterward, and this was the same.

The comment I remember the most was from Styles. He said that Eddy and Benoit were the most successful ECW alums because they went on to win the WWE title (and said he was being honest, not shilling for the new bosses). He then defered a bit to Mick, who also won the title. But I didn't hear him revise that when Austin came out. Granted Austin was briefly in the group, and he wasn't discovered by ECW fans first, but he was a Paul protege in NWA/WCW in the Dangerous Alliance. This is a small thing, I know. But there's no way Austin isn't the biggest guy to ever stroll through the Bingo Hall.

I give the Eddy/Benoit match a pass because Eddy was obviously screwed up early on. They both did some nice superplexes. But he did as weak a Crossface selling job as RVD's infamous no-sell.

While Awesome/Tanaka was incredible, I was just as into the Sabu/Rhino bout. Vicious stuff in both matches, and I hold out hope that a draft pick will go to an ECW guy.

I was never a fan of Psicosis, so I wasn't surprised he mailed it in last night. I would much rather Malenko took his spot.

The last match of the night was the weakest, I thought, even thought the three-way dance was inexcusably short. I would much rather give the bWo and Kash more time and cut out the "crusade" skits. That was much too heavyhanded. It made me like JBL all the more, however. And Foley was right; the WWE guys were getting into the matches.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Like I said before, I don't know whether that was the case or not. I may well be wrong. But if I am right, and Awesome got stiffed on paychecks, I'm of the opinion that he owed Heyman nothing. If Heyman can't give him the money he's owed so that he can put food on his table, then Awesome certainly doesn't owe him the courtesy of losing a fake wrestling match for a fake wrestling title. If we're going to talk about people not losing titles on the way out we'd probably be better off rehashing Montreal. :-) (Now that's not to say that Awesome wouldn't have been a hell of a guy to do one job on his way out so Heyman wouldn't be up the creek, but I certainly don't think that that should be expected of anybody.)


Only Heyman and Awesome know whether Awesome's checks were clearing.

That said, why was Awesome being offered a big-salary job with WCW in the first place? Because Heyman gave him the opportunity to get on American TV and look like an absolute stud manhandling Masato Tanaka and others. McMahon and Bischoff weren't exactly beating down Awesome's door before his second ECW stint, else he wouldn't have been bleeding for chicken feed in FMW for years.

Awesome was the guy actually busting his ass in the matches, not Heyman, obviously, but it is a two-way street. The courtesy of sticking around for _one match_, the way that Taz and Douglas and others had done, would not have required a lot of effort on Awesome's part, and he then could've gone off to WCW and raked in the big bucks. It wasn't as much of an obligation as a "don't be an asshole, this guy helped you get where you are" kind of thing.




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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
After reading all the recaps, I'm wondering if the reigning ECW tag champs Doring and Roadkill made an appearance - does anyone know what's happened to these guys?
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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by too-old-now
    After reading all the recaps, I'm wondering if the reigning ECW tag champs Doring and Roadkill made an appearance - does anyone know what's happened to these guys?


They started to cut a promo and were cut off by a "crusade" skit. They appeared later during the big cross-brand fight and beer bash. We didn't see them in a match, sadly.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.33
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by too-old-now
      After reading all the recaps, I'm wondering if the reigning ECW tag champs Doring and Roadkill made an appearance - does anyone know what's happened to these guys?


    They started to cut a promo and were cut off by a "crusade" skit. They appeared later during the big cross-brand fight and beer bash. We didn't see them in a match, sadly.


credit: PWBTS.com

During the ECW One Night Stand PPV, a promo featuring the last ECW Tag Team Champions,Danny Doring and Roadkill,was cut off in the middle. It appeared to be a technical glitch.

However, the real reason is that Doring and Roadkill were putting over that tag teams stick together through thick and thin forever then thanked Sabu for helping out Rob Van Dam as he was attacked by Rhyno.

Problem is, the match hadn't happened yet and the promos were out of sequence. The production crew realized this and pulled the plug quickly on the pre-taped promo.




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