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#101 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
        Originally posted by Swordsman Yen
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          I agree 100% that Pedro started the whole mess. He does have the right to protect himself from whoever comes after him. What is he supposed to do? Let Zim or anyone else have a free shot?


        The guy is 72 freakin' years old. All Pedro would have had to do is put his arms up and side-step if Zim went after him. Zim would've taken a spill on his own and made every blooper reel in the country.


      Looking at the replay of it a few times, that seems to me exactly what happened. But "Pedro beat up an old man" makes for a better story.


    Are you completely fucking stupid, or just the ultimate homer? He sidestepped him? With a hand on both sides of his head, rotating around as Zim went by, and rolling/twisting his head?

    Pedro didnt beat up an old man, he threw him to the ground. Either way, its just him being chicken shit, and taking things out on helpless people (you know, like batters standing there, waiting on a pitch). Granted, Zim should have known better, but still.

    (edited by StaggerLee on 13.10.03 1548)


Yes Zim should've known better but Pedro is in a no win situation there. Obviously with him defending himself he gets criticized for "beating on an old man" but if Zim got the shot in then Pedro "got his ass kicked by an old man".

And yes I'm a Sox fan but I, as many Red Sox fans are tired of Pedro's anticts over this past year or so. I'm just calling it as I see it as far as the Pedro/Zim situation is. And there is no reson to call me, or anyone else who disagrees with you "fucking stupid", especially when there seems to be a few other posters who aren't Sox fans who think Zim's actions and consequences of it were 100% his fault. Are they "fucking stupid" too?

EDIT: Nice win tonight Sox


(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 13.10.03 2328)




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#102 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Are you completely fucking stupid, or just the ultimate homer? Pedro didnt beat up an old man, he threw him to the ground. Either way, its just him being chicken shit, and taking things out on helpless people.

    (edited by StaggerLee on 13.10.03 1548)


Right.

I think you're the one who's completely fucking stupid. Pedro put Zim on the ground in the quickest, most efficient manner, as well as the most humane. He could have broken his fucking nose, but instead he just directed his momentum at the ground. Wow, that sure is chickenshit. What kind of moron would take the chance that anyone, even an old man, would fall on his ass rather than surprising you with a jab, instead of taking charge of the situation and taking the son of a bitch out?

It's amusing to me how you can sit back and criticize him, after you've had all the time in the world to watch replays and bitch about it. The facts are these:

Stupid old fuck comes after Pedro. Pedro has to make a split-second decision about what to do about said stupid old fuck. Pedro, instead of chopping him in the throat or spreading his nose halfway across his face, rolls him onto the ground.

He didn't have time to weigh the fact that Zim is 72 years old. Stop being such pussies about it, for Christ's sake. If you try to take someone down, expect them to try to take you down instead. It's common sense, people. Bloomberg, especially, is a big pussy. What a fucking moron.

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#103 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Pedro didnt beat up an old man, he threw him to the ground. Either way, its just him being chicken shit, and taking things out on helpless people (you know, like batters standing there, waiting on a pitch). Granted, Zim should have known better, but still.

    (edited by StaggerLee on 13.10.03 1548)

So what would you have rather seen Pedro do in that situation? Run from the old bastard? Laugh at him? Cower in the corner of the dugout?
I also don't understand what you're trying to say in your parenthetical statement. Do you mean that the batters Pedro faces are helpless? Or are you saying that he should have grabbed one of them instead of the old man? Either way, you're wrong. The batters are far from helpless and no Yankee player charged him. Only a mascot.

Passing the whole thing off on Pedro by saying "Zim should have known better, but still." is a huge copout. Just pat the old crazy bastard on the head (but not too hard, don't want to dent that METAL plate in his head) and say "Bad Zim. Bad. You should never do that again. Bad." Fuck that shit. The old bastard attacked Pedro. Regardless of the fact that he's old, he still attacked him. In fact, it was a premeditated attack because he had to traverse half the field to get to Pedro. He had time to think about it and judging from the way he mouthed off after Garcia got hit, he wanted a piece of Pedro from the very beginning. It seems like he got that plus a little more.

Bloomberg is a fucking jackass for opening his mouth. This part should really go into the politics forum but while we're here, might as well touch on it. First of all, Bloomberg has no right to do anything to Pedro in terms of arresting him. No charges were pressed. It was a videotaped incident and seen by thousands of spectators. The majority of which will attest to the fact that Pedro acted in self defense. He obviously knows this but is trying to get on the good side of the NYC voters. He saw how Rudy was such a big Yankee fan. Since his hope is to emulate Rudy in some way, he figures to continue the trend in supporting the Yanks. Politically motivated drivel is still drivel.



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#104 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
If, for example, Jorge Posada had run at Pedro and been thrown aside, you would've heard NOTHING about how it was "Pedro's fault," and Posada would've been fined heftier chunk than the $5000 that Zimmer had to pay up.

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#105 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Well you know something, Mean Gene...
Lost in the ballad of Zim and Pedro is...why the f*ck were there no suspensions dealt out? Did baseball become hockey overnight and I didn't notice? The last thing I am is a Yankee sympathzier, but no matter how you slice it, Pedro's premeditated unsportsmanlike acts should've netted him at the very least a supension from pitching the rest of this series, if not the entire postseason. Either the MLB execs are playing off this for ratings, or they have no balls.



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#106 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
    Originally posted by Swordsman Yen
    Lost in the ballad of Zim and Pedro is...why the f*ck were there no suspensions dealt out? Did baseball become hockey overnight and I didn't notice? The last thing I am is a Yankee sympathzier, but no matter how you slice it, Pedro's premeditated unsportsmanlike acts should've netted him at the very least a supension from pitching the rest of this series, if not the entire postseason. Either the MLB execs are playing off this for ratings, or they have no balls.


Both. If Pedro gets suspended, then Karim Garcia, Jorge Posada, Jeff Nelson, Manny Ramirez and Roger Clemens should be suspended. I think this will be dealt with (probably some asinine statement, but dealt with) after the postseason. The Red Sox and Yankees should not come down to Lou Merloni vs. Gabe White or Gabe Kapler vs. Gil Heredia. It should be Manny Ramirez vs. Marioano Rivera, or Pedro Martinez vs. Derek Jeter. Let the players decide the games.

On another note, I am literally begging Foz to pull their announce team. Please get those biased fucks off of ym screen. When Jerry Remy, a Red Sox commentator, was on the national game with the Sox vs. whoever, he was more fair than these guys. They're supposed to be unbiased. As in not taking sides. Even Bret Boone's biased because his Mariners would have been in the playoffs if not for the Sox (and their total suckiness down the stretch). I never thought I'd say this, but I want Jon Miller, dammit! Or Bob Costas! Bring me Bob Costas!



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#107 Posted on
" In fact, it was a premeditated attack because he had to traverse half the field to get to Pedro. He had time to think about it and judging from the way he mouthed off after Garcia got hit, he wanted a piece of Pedro from the very beginning. It seems like he got that plus a little more."

... And somewhere, Bill Lee is smiling.

For it was Lee who said, "Zimmer HATES pitchers. He's got a metal plate in his head, hell ... you think it was put there by a first baseman?"

It was also Lee, along with Ferguson Jenkins, who formed the "Loyal Order of the Buffalo Heads" in honor of Zimmer -- as Jenkins felt that the Buffalo was the dumbest creature on Earth.

It was Lee who was unceremoniously dumped by Zimmer from the Red Sox starting rotation in 1978, despite Lee's impressive record against the Yankees. Instead, Zimmer used some of the sorriest starting pitchers in History (like Bobby Sprowl) in Lee's place.

It was Lee who vehemently protested the selling of heroic Sox sub Bernie Carbo to Cleveland. Lee recalled a moment where Zimmer had said Bernie was "like a son to him" -- and Lee said, "You don't sell your son to Cleveland!!"

As the Sox tumbled in the second half of 1978, Carl Yastrzemski begged Zimmer to re-insert Lee into the rotation, to no avail. Zimmer's personal feelings overshadowed the team's best interests.

Lee was traded to Montreal after the 1978 season, presumably at Zimmer's request, for a backup infielder named Stan Papi.

Lee and the other Red Sox in the 1970's hated the Yankees more than any other team in the league. The two teams fought repeatedly -- with Lee injuring his shoulder in one of the melees.

Where is Zimmer now? The hated Yankees, and he's picking fights with Red Sox pitchers.

What Pedro Martinez did to Zimmer, as minor as it was, might be termed "Lee's revenge".

Yes, indeed, Bill Lee is smiling. Chuckling, even.

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#108 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by gugs

    On another note, I am literally begging Foz to pull their announce team. Please get those biased fucks off of ym screen. When Jerry Remy, a Red Sox commentator, was on the national game with the Sox vs. whoever, he was more fair than these guys. They're supposed to be unbiased. As in not taking sides. Even Bret Boone's biased because his Mariners would have been in the playoffs if not for the Sox (and their total suckiness down the stretch). I never thought I'd say this, but I want Jon Miller, dammit! Or Bob Costas! Bring me Bob Costas!






Forget biased, because I expect it from McCarver and the Yankees third baseman's brother. But incompetant is the best word to describe McCarver at this time (when he is able to see around Joe Torre's colon of course). Five times he called Jason Varitek Kevin Millar. And his inability with replay to describe a pitch until his third guess was absolutely pathetic. Joe Buck doesn't know baseball if he can't figure out an 0-2 2 out attempt at a double steal from 1st and 3rd. To say perhaps Varitek was wandering proves that the only reason he is allowed to be in the booth is because he makes the senile performance his father displayed in the early 90's on CBS look good. If FOX insists on a 3 man booth for this series, this is who it should have been: Dick Stockton as play by play man (of course, if they could get Curt Gowdy out of the stands to call the game, I doubt anyone would complain). Jerry Remy as the color analyst giving detail regarding why the Red Sox would attempt certain manuevering, as he watched the team all year. And Ken Singleton (or Bobby Murcer, hell, roll out of the Scooter if you want for the Yankee Stadium games), to provide the color analysis for why the Yankees would attempt certain manuevers, as he has followed the Yankees all year. This would provide a solid booth that would have an understanding for the teams that are playing, rather than a senile man who can only state: 'I used to catch Bob Gibson you know.'
If that is to complex for FOX, then bring in Uecker as the former catcher/analyst, and if a current player has to be used, use a Baltimore Oriole or Tampa Bay Devil Ray. Those teams combined to play 76 games against the Red Sox and Yankees, while Boone's Mariners played a combined 16 against the Red Sox and Yankees. Which would provide better knowledge of who actually is on the team and any tendencies they may have?

(edited by redsoxnation on 14.10.03 1113)


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#109 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
Notes from last night's game (OK, a little off topic)...

    Originally posted by Yahoo
    Notes: Singer Michael Bolton had a long pause during the national anthem when he apparently lost his place after "ramparts we watched." He resumed, and the fans sang the last few lines with him. When he concluded, some fans booed


What, was Richard Marx unavailable? Perhaps Yanni or Kenny G is doing an instrumental version tonight. Sheesh.

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(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 14.10.03 1245)
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#110 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.21
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by gugs

      On another note, I am literally begging Foz to pull their announce team. Please get those biased fucks off of ym screen. When Jerry Remy, a Red Sox commentator, was on the national game with the Sox vs. whoever, he was more fair than these guys. They're supposed to be unbiased. As in not taking sides. Even Bret Boone's biased because his Mariners would have been in the playoffs if not for the Sox (and their total suckiness down the stretch). I never thought I'd say this, but I want Jon Miller, dammit! Or Bob Costas! Bring me Bob Costas!






    Forget biased, because I expect it from McCarver and the Yankees third baseman's brother. But incompetant is the best word to describe McCarver at this time (when he is able to see around Joe Torre's colon of course).



I've got nothing good to say about Buck or Boone. Al Leiter is doing a much better job than Boone for NL games. And Bobby Valentine would be a great color guy.

You've gotta lay off McCarver. He has more baseball knowledge then anyone else around. He is the best at overanalyzing baseball. He calls the pitches right off the catcher's signs. He gives the tells like when Varitek stands for the high fastball. He also called out the play when Sheffield passed the runner on the bases that the umpires missed. He trashes the guys that don't run hard on the bases.

He doesn't have the pro-Yankee bias you think. In the 2000 Series, he was dogging Clemens the entire time, including the games he wasn't pitching. He had harsh criticism for Torre defending Clemens as well. He calls it the way he sees it. In Game 3 he saw Pedro and Manny started all the trouble and I agree with that.
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#111 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    < He also called out the play when Sheffield passed the runner on the bases that the umpires missed.








He also for 2 innings interpreted the rule wrong on that play, stating Sheffield should be out and the runner in front of him could be doubled up at second base because of a force play being in effect. If the back runner is out, it wipes out a potential force as the baserunner would have the option to return to first base. Now, if he had stated this once, it could be understandable. But to mistakenly beat the point into the ground for a subsequent two innings is a joke.



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#112 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
JAKEGNOSIS chimed in with "I think you're the one who's completely fucking stupid. Pedro put Zim on the ground in the quickest, most efficient manner, as well as the most humane. "


Going back to my original comment, I asked if the BOSsportsfan34 was completely fucking stupid, because he had said that Pedro SIDESTEPPED Zim (acutally, he was agreeing with Swordsman Yen).

KID BROOKLYN said (1)"I also don't understand what you're trying to say in your parenthetical statement. Do you mean that the batters Pedro faces are helpless? Or are you saying that he should have grabbed one of them instead of the old man? Either way, you're wrong." and (2)"Passing the whole thing off on Pedro by saying "Zim should have known better, but still." is a huge copout."

What I was saying is, (1)the batters that Pedro seems to be throwing at whenever he decides he is upset, have no real choice but to stand in the batters box. If the pitch that hit Garcia was simply "inside" that is one thing, but to throw directly AT a batter, as Pedro is KNOWN to do is just chickenshit. And (2)I dont think Pedro should have grabbed anybody, I also dont think he should have thrown at Garcia to begin with, and start this whole shitstorm.

All I was saying about the Zim was, he should have sat his dumb fat ass on the bench, or mingled around with the others instead of rushing at Pedro. Regardless, Pedro throwing him to the ground is chickenshit. Sorta like when a guy kicks his girlfriends ass but says "she hit me first" either way, you are still a dick for what you did.

GUGS said "If Pedro gets suspended, then Karim Garcia, Jorge Posada, Jeff Nelson, Manny Ramirez and Roger Clemens should be suspended."

No suspensions should be handed out related to the bench clearing, none at all. This was just a simple bench clearing, but no real BRAWL. If Nelson and Garcia get something for the bull pen situation, I am cool with that, since beating on a fan, or non uniformed employee is bullshit. To suggest Clemens be suspended for throwing high, but NOT INSIDE and Manny for getting mad at nothing, is sorta rediculous. Tempers flared, but, no injuries occurred, so everybody should be allowed to play.



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#113 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.



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#114 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by gugs
    I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.







Time to break out that minor stat that will prevent Pedro from going on 3 days rest: He's NEVER pitched on 3 days in his career. Considering how sometimes he can't recover on 4 days rest, throwing him on 3 days is just inviting the floodgates to open. Tonite is all hands on deck though. That means McCarty at first, I'm from Framingham at either Short or 3rd, and Wakefield either starting or warming up in the bullpen in the first inning. I'm taking a similar philosophy with this elimination game as I had in Game 4 against Oakland: Get me to the top of the second inning down less than 1 run, and I really think a Game 7 is likely. Also, Grady has to learn his lesson from Games 4 and 5 against Oakland, and Games 2 and 5 against the Yankees and get his starter out at the end of the inning they appear to be tiring, rather than try to push them through another and have them leave with runners on base and no outs.



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#115 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
After witnessing that debacle in person yesterday, I passed on my trip to the Bronx today. Driving 200 miles to get punched in the stomach for 9 innings just doesn't sound like a good time. Time to retire Sweet Caroline for the season.



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    Originally posted by gugs
    I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.


I respectfully disagree, gugs. The Sox have to win TWO games. Pedro is best saved for Thursday. What Grady should do today is get as many innings as possible from Burkett/Suppan/bullpen as possible. They need to win them both and putting Pedro out there today at less than effective puts the Sox at a disadvantage for both games.



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#117 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by gugs
      I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.







    Time to break out that minor stat that will prevent Pedro from going on 3 days rest: He's NEVER pitched on 3 days in his career. Considering how sometimes he can't recover on 4 days rest, throwing him on 3 days is just inviting the floodgates to open. Tonite is all hands on deck though. That means McCarty at first, I'm from Framingham at either Short or 3rd, and Wakefield either starting or warming up in the bullpen in the first inning. I'm taking a similar philosophy with this elimination game as I had in Game 4 against Oakland: Get me to the top of the second inning down less than 1 run, and I really think a Game 7 is likely. Also, Grady has to learn his lesson from Games 4 and 5 against Oakland, and Games 2 and 5 against the Yankees and get his starter out at the end of the inning they appear to be tiring, rather than try to push them through another and have them leave with runners on base and no outs.


I can see the logic there. Maybe what we need to do is get three innings each out of Suppan, Burkett and Arroyo, in that order. The 1st inning is trouble for Burkett, so he won't start. Everybody but Lowe and Pedro should be ready, though.



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#118 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
        Originally posted by gugs
        I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.







      Time to break out that minor stat that will prevent Pedro from going on 3 days rest: He's NEVER pitched on 3 days in his career. Considering how sometimes he can't recover on 4 days rest, throwing him on 3 days is just inviting the floodgates to open. Tonite is all hands on deck though. That means McCarty at first, I'm from Framingham at either Short or 3rd, and Wakefield either starting or warming up in the bullpen in the first inning. I'm taking a similar philosophy with this elimination game as I had in Game 4 against Oakland: Get me to the top of the second inning down less than 1 run, and I really think a Game 7 is likely. Also, Grady has to learn his lesson from Games 4 and 5 against Oakland, and Games 2 and 5 against the Yankees and get his starter out at the end of the inning they appear to be tiring, rather than try to push them through another and have them leave with runners on base and no outs.


    I can see the logic there. Maybe what we need to do is get three innings each out of Suppan, Burkett and Arroyo, in that order. The 1st inning is trouble for Burkett, so he won't start. Everybody but Lowe and Pedro should be ready, though.

Burkett STARTING isn't his problem though; I think it's a mental lapse the first inning he pitches. It doesn't matter if it's the first inning of the game or the 7th, the first inning he's in there is going to be touch and go. If he's going to throw today, I say put him on first. That way if he messes up, the offense has 8 innings to try and make up for it. Whether they do or not is a whole different story...
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#119 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
    Originally posted by timdrake
      Originally posted by gugs
        Originally posted by redsoxnation
          Originally posted by gugs
          I cannot believe that Grady Little is even considering starting John Burkett in this game. Against Andy Petitte, at Yankee Stadium, with the season on the line. Pedro needs to go out there. We need Pedro to go today. I have nothing abd to say about the Yankees today; they outplayed us, plain and simple. Rivera did a great job to bounce back from Walker's triple, and I am getting progressively more and more pissed with Nomar. John Burkett can't start this game. Not if Grady wants us to win.







        Time to break out that minor stat that will prevent Pedro from going on 3 days rest: He's NEVER pitched on 3 days in his career. Considering how sometimes he can't recover on 4 days rest, throwing him on 3 days is just inviting the floodgates to open. Tonite is all hands on deck though. That means McCarty at first, I'm from Framingham at either Short or 3rd, and Wakefield either starting or warming up in the bullpen in the first inning. I'm taking a similar philosophy with this elimination game as I had in Game 4 against Oakland: Get me to the top of the second inning down less than 1 run, and I really think a Game 7 is likely. Also, Grady has to learn his lesson from Games 4 and 5 against Oakland, and Games 2 and 5 against the Yankees and get his starter out at the end of the inning they appear to be tiring, rather than try to push them through another and have them leave with runners on base and no outs.


      I can see the logic there. Maybe what we need to do is get three innings each out of Suppan, Burkett and Arroyo, in that order. The 1st inning is trouble for Burkett, so he won't start. Everybody but Lowe and Pedro should be ready, though.

    Burkett STARTING isn't his problem though; I think it's a mental lapse the first inning he pitches. It doesn't matter if it's the first inning of the game or the 7th, the first inning he's in there is going to be touch and go. If he's going to throw today, I say put him on first. That way if he messes up, the offense has 8 innings to try and make up for it. Whether they do or not is a whole different story...


I think it's more of an anxiety thing for Burkett. Whenever he was going out there for the first inning, he either had the crowd on him at Fenway or on him on the road. However, if you're right, then it would be best to put Burkett in for the 4th because that would give the offense 5 innings as opposed to two if he were to pitch the 7th.



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I personally think Major League Baseball should lighten the f*ck up, or at least get their acts together. Remember a few weeks ago, at the end of the regular season? Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay, a Cy Young contender, was pitching well and looking for his team record 22nd win against the Tigers. He let a pitch get away from him and hit a batter...and he was IMMEDIATELY TOSSED. This is a guy with no history of throwing at batters intentionally. He got tossed with no explanation at all.

And then you have Roger Clemens & Pedro Martinez, two Cy Young winners, throwing at batters...and what happens? Do they get tossed? NO. The umpires let a Donneybrook kick off because they don't want to get involved in the outcome of a League Championship Game. If the umpires had some sack, we wouldn't be arguing about whether or not Pedro was justified tossing Zimmer to the ground (he was, by the way).



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