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Of all the things I expected to see today in the news, this story wasn't it:


    (CNN) -- Authorities have arrested a "possible suspect" in the decade-old JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation, law enforcement sources told CNN on Wednesday.

    An investigator with the Boulder County, Colorado, District Attorney's office traveled to Bangkok, Thailand, and is bringing a suspect back to the United States, CNN Denver affiliate KUSA reported.

    The suspect was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, KUSA reported








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At this point, I didn't think there were any elements of the crime that were not at least available to the general public via 20/20, Court TV specials, etc.



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I think I need to apologize to John and Patsy Ramsey. I truly believed that, even if neither of them directly killed JonBenet, they knew more than they were telling. I thought they were covering for *somebody*, possibly themselves. I'm glad the authorities have arrested this guy and I'm also glad that Patsy Ramsey was aware before she died that *HE* was suspected of the killing and not her or her husband.



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Don't get too "apologizy" to John and Patsy yet. The guy's ex-wife says he's a JonBenet nut and spent years studying the case and says that when the murder happened she and the suspect were elsewhere.

http://www.sierratimes.com/rss/newswire.php?article=/news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/jonbenet_ramsey&time=1155827628&feed=us

Specifically, in alabama

So, we'll see. The guy's a turd anyway (been in the slam for child porno - fits the profile and all), but might just be a nut.



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    Originally posted by rinberg
    I think I need to apologize to John and Patsy Ramsey. I truly believed that, even if neither of them directly killed JonBenet, they knew more than they were telling.


Geez, the guy hasn't even gone on trial yet.

EDIT: Actually, I guess today the guy basically admitted to it (news.yahoo.com)


    The suspect in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey said he loved the 6-year-old beauty queen "very much" and is "very sorry for what happened."

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    In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, John Mark Karr said that he contacted JonBenet's mother, Patsy, before she died of cancer in June to express his remorse for the killing.

    "I conveyed to her many things, among them that I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr said as U.S. and Thai authorities escorted him from his Bangkok hotel, where he spent over an hour packing his belongings.

    Karr said it was his understanding that Patsy Ramsey read letters that he sent to her. He said JonBenet's death was "an accident."

    "It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much and that her death was unintentional," said Karr, who sweated and stuttered occasionally as he spoke in a quiet voice.

    Karr, 41, was arrested Wednesday, halfway around the world from Boulder, Colo., where JonBenet's body was found beaten and strangled in her parent's basement on Dec. 26, 1996.

    He declined to disclose the nature of his supposed relationship to the Ramsey family, or how he may have known JonBenet.

    Asked for details of how she died, Karr replied: "It would take several hours to describe to describe that."

    "There's no way I could be brief about it. It's a very involved series of events," said Karr, who speaks with a thick Southern accent. "It's very painful for me to talk about."

    Earlier in the day, Karr spoke briefly to reporters after a news conference by American and Thai authorities.

    "I was with JonBenet when she died," he told reporters. Asked if he was innocent, he said: "No."


Man I feel so for those Ramsey parents, going through being the public's suspects and all. ;)

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Geez, the guy hasn't even gone on trial yet.

Nether did the parents. Not that anyone would know any different, per Jay Leno, Fox News, etc. OF COURSE THIS GUY IS A FRAUD. Easier than saying "well, we might have been wrong on this one".

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This keeps getting weirder and weirder. I hope he's the monster who did this, but if he's got an alibi that can hold up, there's a problem. Now he's saying he drugged her, but there were no drugs found in her system.

I would hope the authorities have more on the guy than they're saying. The guy's no saint, but could he be confessing simply because he's a delusional guy who was obsessed with the case?
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AWARulz, BucsFan: So noted. I still owe an apology for not remembering 'innocent until proven guilty', though I jumped pretty hard on this guy too. Maybe he's just mental and has an alibi in spite of himself, like the news story that AWARulz linked to had implied.

I don't straddle the fence very well in my speaking/writing despite being able to see the shades of gray. Thanks for reminding me to get a little perspective and maybe hear more before flapping my gums.



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Innocent until proven guilty? Yes. Innocent when you admit to it? No. Lock this piece of shit away for the rest of his life.
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    Originally posted by rinberg
    AWARulz, BucsFan: So noted.


Don't worry about it. We all thought OJ was guilty until an impartial jury exonerated him.

I always think about a particular sitation that happened in my world when something like this comes up. When I was on SFPD in the late 70s and early 80s, we had just (in the late 60s and early 70s) had a vicious serial killer called Zodiac (he or she was the basis for the killer Scorpio in the Movie Dirty Harry). Well, there were ALWAYS guys the Inspectors liked for Zodiac. And they used to go get 'em, drag 'em in and question them from time to time. Once guy confessed to everything, knew it all. Apparently, he knew some unpublished details, and the guys thought they had their man.

But it seems this guy was a Zodiac nut. He had every story about him, photocopies or photos of the letters, and had convinced a contact or two to get him some police reports under the table - the reporters had them too, but wouldn't report the info (because then the cops would shut them out of stories). In otherwords, mentally, he thought he WAS Zodiac. But he was just nuts. And sad. And that's about as much as a rookie patrolman is likely to know about such things. Like, I have since wondered what became of the guy - cause I bet he was dangerous if he thought he was Zodiac.

Obviously, we have a bad guy here - he's been up to child porn and claims to have drugged and raped JonBenet. But the Ex says they were elsewhere and Jonenet (as far as we know) wasn't drugged.

You may recall that we were SURE we had Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper at one point and that we knew who the bomber in Atlanta was.

For the family, I hope this was the guy. But I hope it's not just a fall guy.





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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    In otherwords, mentally, he thought he WAS Zodiac. But he was just nuts. And sad. And that's about as much as a rookie patrolman is likely to know about such things.
How did you guys figure out that this guy WASNT Zodiac? Just curious.



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In this case they have mentioned in a lot of places that there was DNA evidence found on JBR that was not able to be tracked to anyone person. I wonder if once they zeroed in on this fellow if they weren't able to procure some sort of sample of his DNA (he does have a previous record so perhaps his sample is out there) and were able to make a match. It is obvious this has been somethone they've followed for months now (he emailed Patsy Ramsey 2 months ago) so I would hope they would have done such seemingly obvious prep work.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Innocent until proven guilty? Yes. Innocent when you admit to it? No. Lock this piece of shit away for the rest of his life.

Man, for all we know the guy could be insane. Until we know a little bit more, it's still too early to decide anything.
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by AWArulz
      In otherwords, mentally, he thought he WAS Zodiac. But he was just nuts. And sad. And that's about as much as a rookie patrolman is likely to know about such things.
    How did you guys figure out that this guy WASNT Zodiac? Just curious.


I don't really know, but one of my sergeants said (at line up one morning) that we were still looking for Zodiac because the guy they like "was a nutcase". I heard later that they eliminated him on many levels - we knew Zodiac's writing, for example, we knew when he had to be in certain places - he killed people and so he had to be in SF on this or that date, for example - and perhaps the guy wasn't in town for many or all of them, or he had alibi'd for a bunch of them. (remember - an alibi doesn't HAVE to come from the suspect, it might be developed by the inspector. I am not even sure this was a guy they liked, but a guy who came to them or somehow got to them.

Either way, the real Zodiac showed up a few years later to taunt the cops there (I was gone by then). They confirmed handwriting and everything. Then he went away again. There's some pretty damn good evidence that the Unabomber was Zodiac, as I recall, but no confirmation.

With regard to dna work, it might be that they have yet to obtain dna samples from the suspect. He's been out of country a lot, and you wouldn't get much from a letter, I wouldn't think - maybe licking the envelope.





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