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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by Jellofiend
    I believe the Federal Defense of Marriage Act invokes Full Faith and Credit so, no other states don't have to recognize same-sex marriage. I never thought I would see the day when the government would say "For the love of the children, don't get married." I guess as a Christian I should be offended that people are so anti-marriage but this isn't a religious issue.

    Another question to the lawyers out there, I've heard that other times the court has made a decision that had a deadline like the Mass. case. Specifically, an education reform issue here in Ohio. The way I heard it made it seem like the Mass. decision wasn't all that groundbreaking and I was wondering if there is other precedent out there.


Yup... as I was staggering out of bed yesterday, I think I saw something about how Connecticut's said that there isn't anything that says they HAVE to honor gay marriages from MA. However, the papers today mentioned that we might have a court challenge here, so...



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Anti-gay groups, particularly ones that are encouraging anti-gay marriage legislation, are hurting their own cause by saying things like “these people are living in sin”.

They're turning it into a religious issue, and that's where their whole argument falls apart right there. Even though I'm a Christian, and thus part of the religious majority in the U.S., I know that the majority has no right to impose its views on the minority.

Hell, not even all of Christianity is in agreement on this issue. There are several "splinter churches" that are gay-friendly, including some denominations that appoint gay priests.

Here's the thing: Homosexuality is not against the laws of man in this country. One might believe that homosexuality is against the laws of God, but the government has no right to make that determination. If it is "evil" in God's sight, He and He alone will determine punishment.

But how much of a role does genetics play in determining our personality? Is there a gene that determines one's preferred sexual orientation before they're even born? If there is, it must be assumed that many people (although not a majority) have a gene that determines that they're gay-- or at least, likely to become gay when they're old enough to make that decision.

If that's true, the religious argument falls apart once more. By making people with the "gay" gene, God is saying it's all right to be gay. Unless you assume that those people are simply defective-- but then, why would God, who is infallible, make defective people?

We've eliminated sexual-orientation discrimination from our laws. An employer cannot be more or less likely to hire you or treat you with fairness on account of sexual orientation. Now that we've eliminated discrimination from our laws, we need to eliminate it from our hearts and minds.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.67
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    I know that the majority has no right to impose its views on the minority.


    Now that we've eliminated discrimination from our laws, we need to eliminate it from our hearts and minds.


Fisrt, let me preface this comment with a disclaimer, I support gay people's rights to live how they want, and to marry if they so chose.
That being said, why does a person who finds homosexuality truely offensisive HAVE to accept it? Because it's PC? That's just putting one person's (popular) opinion above another persons (unpolular) opinion. Wasnt that part of what made people come to this nation? To support thier rights to hold unpopular opinions?




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      I know that the majority has no right to impose its views on the minority.


      Now that we've eliminated discrimination from our laws, we need to eliminate it from our hearts and minds.


    Fisrt, let me preface this comment with a disclaimer, I support gay people's rights to live how they want, and to marry if they so chose.
    That being said, why does a person who finds homosexuality truely offensisive HAVE to accept it? Because it's PC? That's just putting one person's (popular) opinion above another persons (unpolular) opinion. Wasnt that part of what made people come to this nation? To support thier rights to hold unpopular opinions?



We may not agree on Tony Randall, but we agree on this. In this country you are allowed to hold whatever view you want as long as you don't attempt to "force" it on people through inappropriate means or prevent others from living as they choose. Caveat, I am not condoning peodphiles or murderers sayin this.

And Eke, you can pass laws against discrimination but you can't stop it by passing laws but througjh enforcement and with time and patience. gays may not like thier lot here but IMO this country has come a long way in a short time regarding tolerance of homosexuality. We have a ways to go but we are getting there.



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