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Lots of deals today. Colon to the Angels, Benito Santiago to the Royals, Tim Worrell to Philadelphia, and Everyday Eddie Guardado to the Mariners.

Definitely a blow to Minnesota, losing Eddie, though San Francisco is today's big loser. Santiago is getting older, but Worrell did a damn fine job as closer last season. The Seattle bullpen and Anaheim rotation both look a lot scarier, as well.



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Eddie Guardado to the Mariners? A's fans rejoice!



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I'm surprised about Guardado. But how about the M's shoring up their 'pen? Question is whether Guardado or Sasaki close next year.



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The Phillies are assembling one of the better bullpens in baseball with Worrell/Cormier setting up Wagner. Certainly a far cry from the Mike Williams/Jose Mesa debacle from last season.



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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I'm surprised about Guardado. But how about the M's shoring up their 'pen? Question is whether Guardado or Sasaki close next year.


They are saying Sasaki will be the closer and Guardado will be the lefty set-up man going in. It makes sense since he'll be the only lefty in the 'pen, pending further roster tweaking of course.

At least this year if Kaz goes down we'll have guy who can close (Shiggy and Eddie) as opposed to last year when Jeff Nelson and Arthur Rhodes lit themselves on fire (Rondell White, anyone?) when they tried to be the closers.



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The AL Central becomes more and more like the AFC North and the NBA Atlantic Division with each passing day. I think we can already assume the Tigers are mathematically eliminated for 2004. That leaves 4 teams, and the Twins have now lost Hawkins, Milton and Guardado (while retaining Stewart), the Indians have done nothing to improve, the Royals have made minor moves, and the White Sox have lost Colon, Gordon, Alomar, Capt. Carl and have Ordonez on the trading block (while at least retaining Judy Garland). Is it too early to say 84 might win the Central next year, particularly if the Tigers are only a 95-100 loss team instead of a 119 loss team?

(edited by redsoxnation on 10.12.03 1058)


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This is good news for AL East fans. The Mariners and Angels bulking up to compete with the A's means that the Sox, Yanks and O's can tear each other up and still have a shot at the Wild Card. The team that beats the Central most will come out of the AL with the #1 seed, IMHO.



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    Originally posted by gugs
    This is good news for AL East fans. The Mariners and Angels bulking up to compete with the A's means that the Sox, Yanks and O's can tear each other up and still have a shot at the Wild Card. The team that beats the Central most will come out of the AL with the #1 seed, IMHO.







Let's not put the O's in the category of the Red Sox and Yankees until they actually sign someone. They might have $65 million to spend, but if the A-Rod trade occurs, that means George will go nuts now that Sheffield is pissing him off and sign Vlad. Assume the O's regain Ponson; that actually helps Boston and New York as he's 2-15 in his career against the 2 teams. Having the money to spend and getting the right players with the money so you don't get stuck with Joey Belle II are completely different things.
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Lots of deals today. Colon to the Angels, Benito Santiago to the Royals, Tim Worrell to Philadelphia, and Everyday Eddie Guardado to the Mariners.

    Definitely a blow to Minnesota, losing Eddie, though San Francisco is today's big loser. Santiago is getting older, but Worrell did a damn fine job as closer last season. The Seattle bullpen and Anaheim rotation both look a lot scarier, as well.


On the Dan Patrick Show there was a report that Andy Petit has signed with the Astros and it will be announced this weekend. George must be fuming and Bosox fans doing a dance of joy. Does this mean that the Yanks pocketbook is now open for Maddux? They really needed to keep Petit.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Does this mean that the Yanks pocketbook is now open for Maddux?
Maddux hates AL Baseball because of the DH. Ergo, Maddux probably will wind up in Arizona, St. Louis, or San Diego when it's all said and done.



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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Does this mean that the Yanks pocketbook is now open for Maddux?
    Maddux hates AL Baseball because of the DH. Ergo, Maddux probably will wind up in Arizona, St. Louis, or San Diego when it's all said and done.


Don't forget about Chicago...he's gone on the record as being open to returning to where he started.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Lots of deals today. Colon to the Angels, Benito Santiago to the Royals, Tim Worrell to Philadelphia, and Everyday Eddie Guardado to the Mariners.

      Definitely a blow to Minnesota, losing Eddie, though San Francisco is today's big loser. Santiago is getting older, but Worrell did a damn fine job as closer last season. The Seattle bullpen and Anaheim rotation both look a lot scarier, as well.


    On the Dan Patrick Show there was a report that Andy Petit has signed with the Astros and it will be announced this weekend. George must be fuming and Bosox fans doing a dance of joy. Does this mean that the Yanks pocketbook is now open for Maddux? They really needed to keep Petit.





I don't think I'm going to far out on a limb to say Pettite leaving the Yankees for the Astros does almost as much for the Red Sox as acquiring Curt Schilling. Left handed pitchers entering their prime at Yankee Stadium are rare commodities, and if George actually lets this occur, he might really be going senile. A rotation of Mussina, Vasquez, Wells, Contreras, Lieber does not put the fear of God in me like the Yankees rotation of the past few years. Of course, I won't believe Pettite is with the Astros until I see the news conference with Pettite holding up an Astros jersey, and even then I'll still have doubts.
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I'd be surprised if Maddux ends up in the AL, too. Something tells me he'd be a really good sign for a young pitching staff looking for a veteran presence for a couple of years. Maybe, perhaps, the Cubs?




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    This is good news for AL East fans. The Mariners and Angels bulking up to compete with the A's means that the Sox, Yanks and O's can tear each other up and still have a shot at the Wild Card. The team that beats the Central most will come out of the AL with the #1 seed, IMHO.


Ahem, the BLUE JAYS??? They're much better than Baltimore, given how all the Orioles have done so far this winter is talk. I'll only start worrying if Vlad, Javy Lopez or Tejada end up in orange.





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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    A rotation of Mussina, Vasquez, Wells, Contreras, Lieber does not put the fear of God in me like the Yankees rotation of the past few years.


How about Mussina, Vazquez, Kevin Brown, Wells, and Contreras?

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I remember reading something by either Neyer or Gammons saying that deal was actually a lot further from possibility than what had been previously rumored. Anyway, as has been said before, Brown's 35, he's got a history of injury, and last year was the first year he was healthy for most of the year. Given the options, I'll take that risk.




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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Anyway, as has been said before, Brown's 35, he's got a history of injury, and last year was the first year he was healthy for most of the year. Given the options, I'll take that risk.


That was about the same situation as when the Yanks got David Cone, and he did fine for them. Pettite is an Astro now, so at least I get to see him pitch in person whenever they show thier faces here in St Louis.

Now... If the cheap ass Cardinals could only sign Maddux, things would look up for them this season.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Now... If the cheap ass Cardinals could only sign Maddux, things would look up for them this season.


As much as I'd like to see Maddux at Busch, I don't think Jocketty needs to spend as much money as it would take to sign him just to get one pitcher, especially one on the downward slope of his career. Admittedly, Morris/Maddux/Woody would be a sweet 1-2-3, but with bullpen help, another starter and, I hope to god, a second baseman still needed, it's probably too much to spend on one guy. Unless it was someone like Millwood or, prior to the Enrons snatching him up, Pettitte.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      A rotation of Mussina, Vasquez, Wells, Contreras, Lieber does not put the fear of God in me like the Yankees rotation of the past few years.


    How about Mussina, Vazquez, Kevin Brown, Wells, and Contreras?

    (edited by JayJayDean on 11.12.03 0753)







Let's look at the rotation: Mussina is very good. Kevin Brown can be dominant when healthy. Of course, he's turning 39 (not 35), has had injury problems shut him down for most of the past 4 seasons, and is a miserable bastard. Plus, the ball carries a slight bit better at Yankee Stadium than at Dodger Stadium. David Wells, last I saw, couldn't bend over and had to throw in the towel in the first inning of Game 5 against Florida. Vasquez is good, but he's pitched ZERO big games in his career. And I've seen Contreras get lit up enough times not to have faith in him. Plus, a left handed pitcher is gold in baseball, especially one who has 150 regular season wins and is just entering his prime.
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Rob Neyer slightly disagrees with your assessment of the rotation. Not that I'm saying you should agree just because he's Rob Neyer, but he's got some pretty interesting statistics in there.

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