I'm SO glad having John Laurinaitis run both shows has already led to WWE repeating the "heel GM gets under the skin of top babyface/babyface champion." That's why it was nice having Teddy in charge, so we didn't have to see the same exact storyline on each show.
And I fail to see how a 2-out-of-3 falls match is "extreme."
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Originally posted by lotjx Also, Cole needs to learn to shut up or Vince needs to learn that one of the reasons, his stock hit a 52 week low may have something to do with your own people burying part of your product. A very important part of your product, your wrestlers.
Now, if they somehow keep the .12 quarterly dividend, that currently is nearly a 6% annual dividend off the current price, which, if you were someone looking for dividend more than stock growth, would seem attractive. I just can't see them keeping the current dividend rate with the stock touching 10 year lows and bordering on all time lows.
WWE really needs to tone down Michael Cole...he was damn near unbearable last night. I find myself turning off the programming because of his commentary and constant burial of the talent, and that's never good.
Of course, I'm in Canada, and the ratings here don't factor into the numbers the WWE looks at...or do they?
Last nights show was missing one thing: THE FIST. I was really hoping they'd bring it back even for one day.
It does feel like they may be trying to do a Goldberg redux with Ryback. Which isn't a bad idea at all, actually. Just keep feeding him jobbers and looking like a bad-ass for a while. Don't let him talk except to keep begging for more competition. I'm not sure he has whatever natural charisma Goldberg had (and that strange arm gesture afterwards doesn't help), but it wouldn't hurt to try.
Piper has been great in every WWE appearance he's made in the last few years. I really do wish they'd find something for him to do more often.
I enjoyed Mick on commentary and would still rather have him than Booker by a country mile.
Good to see DB getting the shot at Extreme Rules instead of ADR. But what do they do with Alberto now?
"Never piss off a hawk with a blowgun" - Conan O'Brien
Originally posted by GodEatGod Good to see DB getting the shot at Extreme Rules instead of ADR. But what do they do with Alberto now?
Has there ever been a Triple Threat two-out-of-three-falls match? They'd have to adjust it to "first one to two falls wins" I guess, but it could be interesting. Only thing close that I can remember is when Angle held the Intercontinental and European titles and defended both, one after the other, in a triple-threat match against Jericho and Benoit, losing both without being pinned himself.
Originally posted by OliverLast nights show was missing one thing: THE FIST. I was really hoping they'd bring it back even for one day.
Me, I was looking for the Time Tunnel set, or at least the original SmackDown theme music. The FIST would have been good with me though.
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So you bring Mean Gene Okerlund back. The greatest interviewer in wrestling history. You set him up in the ring with the new World Heavyweight Champion.
Okerlund: "I'm going to let you have at it." (hands mic to Sheamus, steps away)
I'll feel better about Ryback if he doesn't lariat people onto their heads.
The show was mostly a dud, part of the problem was that they booked all the legends (the supposed attraction to tune in) like fools, but I think it was when Foley came out to the desk, and Cole started running down Jim Ross when this* happened -
Foley: "You know it turns out that Jimmy Hart wasn't even the most annoying person who's ever been in my ear on commentary, if you know what I mean folks? I think you do. (pauses) Nice going, Vince."
I think it was at that point where Cole, and shortly after the other announcers just started BURYING the show for the rest of the night. Coincidence?
(* - In keeping with the theme, I went to the VCR to get that quote.)
Ryback could work as a modern day Goldberg if he gets less goofy with his mannerisms. Goldberg had his arm wave moves and tough guy roars, but they were more directed and serious. Ryback is just out there yelling and waving him arms around as if those things alone are menacing. The attitude behind them isn't right yet.
Also, Ryback is a bad wrestling name. His real life name, Ryan Reeves, is a great wrestling name, and his real life nickname, Silverback, is a great wrestling nickname. Mashing the two up is just stupid, especially when thrown out there with no context as to where it came from.
I also want to pose the question: Does anybody here give a shit about Alberto Del Rio?
There isn't a single thing about him that interests me. Every time I see him I forget that he's a wrestler because he does not look badass or intimidating or even like a slimy jerk like Christian or someone. He just reminds me of that politician/druglord guy from Weeds. He rarely says anything of note during promos. Sure a big part of that is the creative staff's fault, but there's no reason the delivery should be so flat and uninspired. It seems like WWE decided he would be a 'rich heel' and then randomly threw stereotypical rich heel gimmicks at him without thinking about what Del Rio himself should be doing. The cars and personal ring announcer are fine, but they should be embellishments, not the majority of the package.
Del Rio's ringwork is very bland for an upper card guy. I can't think of a single signature move outside of his finisher and that weird Codebreaker-esque thing he does on guys' arms. The armbar itself doesn't look all that painful, and the way he segues into it on a standing opponent is far too contrived to seem dangerous.
I train in BJJ and watch plenty of grappling and UFC. Armbars usually only look good when there's an extended battle for control, or if the attacker pops their hips to get the right amount of joint hyper extension. The latter would be legit dangerous, and the former rarely happens with Del Rio finishes. Something easier to fake like a guillotine might be better if they wanted to go with a submission.
Actually, thinking of a better finisher for Del Rio got me nowhere, because I can't think of single character trait that could be used to help inspire a finisher. He's not physically explosive, he's not notably high-flying, he's not a brawling tough guy... he's not really anything to me. Maybe one of those fancy lucha rollup sequences would work?
I guess there is one thing about Del Rio that interests me: He is easily the most boring guy consistently showcased on TV. I find it interesting to try to figure out why he is on TV at all. But usually I just skip to the next Youtube clip.
Originally posted by samoflangeActually, thinking of a better finisher for Del Rio got me nowhere, because I can't think of single character trait that could be used to help inspire a finisher. He's not physically explosive, he's not notably high-flying, he's not a brawling tough guy... he's not really anything to me. Maybe one of those fancy lucha rollup sequences would work?
Making an opponent quit seems to fit his character. The loser has to admit Del Rio has gotten the better of him. I also love that alligator roll into the armbar. What surprises me is that the finisher doesn't have a name. I mean, even "bar of gold" would work.
I see these little movements that suggest Del Rio can do more than they're letting him, and he has a charisma that I like. He wins me over. But he's eclipsed by Rodriquez, who is a riot and sells well.
I think Del Rio has been hobbled by the booking missteps. His WWE title reigns were lost in the Nash/Punk mess, and he was nudged toward the heavyweight belt at exactly the wrong time after Mania. Immediately after Edge's retirement, the heavyweight belt was moved to Christian/Orton and he's been kept away from the midcard titles. His gimmick would do a lot for the US and IC belts, and he seems a great adversary for Big Show.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Because at Extreme Rules, we're gonna have a 2 out of 3 falls match!
Yay, they're going to have Bryan lose in straight falls. That'll be a thrill. (These are the things I say to myself to prevent myself from going to this...)
I am honestly confused though - wasn't the deal last week that ADR got a title shot if he beat Sheamus, and he (more or less) beat Sheamus last week? Was that just not necessarily for this upcoming show?
Yeah, that was my reaction too.
I'm thinking Del Rio's either getting his title shot on free(ish) television or they're going to drop it entirely for the time being. Why? Because the problem isn't that they're cheering "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes!", but that they're directing it at Sheamus. I've felt since the Rumble that he's not getting anywhere near the reaction he needs to get considering the push they are/were giving him, and now the live crowds are turning on him. Only way to resolve that is to do Sheamus/Bryan. Even if you don't do a title switch, there's at least a chance to redeem Sheamus from bad booking the last few months (and that damn Wrestlemania finish). If you do Sheamus/Del Rio instead and push it off, it'll only exacerbate the problem. It's the right call, even if illogical.
Also, as frustrated as I am that WWE didn't capitalize on the post-Wrestlemania reaction to Daniel Bryan other than making a "Yes!" t-shirt, for selfish reasons I'm happy, because I'll always prefer him as a heel.
Originally posted by Matt TrackerMaking an opponent quit seems to fit his character. The loser has to admit Del Rio has gotten the better of him. I also love that alligator roll into the armbar. What surprises me is that the finisher doesn't have a name. I mean, even "bar of gold" would work.
The alligator roll setup looks nice in a scramble, but I don't like how it looks when used on a standing opponent. I'd rather see Del Rio get a guy to his knees or partway to the ground via strikes or quick, out-of-nowhere move, followed immediately by a "pulling guard" motion right into the armbar on the way down. You can get a lot more snap that way so the submission hold looks like more of a sudden "OH SHIT!" moment than it typically does now.
I'm getting a little tired of all these Jericho threads, so let's try and settle this objectively, shall we? First, I agree with those of you who would say that we, as fans, have the right to say what we want.