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Current joke of the day:

There was a rumor going around after the Super Bowl that it was Ray Lewis who killed the power.

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An estimated 108.4 million people watched the Super Bowl -- a huge number -- but making it fall short of setting the fourth straight viewership record.

According to CBS, CBS Television Network's coverage of Super Bowl XLVII "was watched by a Nielsen estimated average of 108.41 million viewers, making it the third-most-watched program in television history (Super Bowl XLVI - 111.3 million; Super Bowl XLV - 111.0 million)."





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How does it feeeeeeeel

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by kwik
    The only thing that would have made the ending to this more bizarre would have been for Baltimore to fluff the free-kick enough to allow the Niners to try a fair-catch kick to tie it at the buzzer.


Since you're giving up an intentional safety anyway, why not tell your linemen to drag down everyone at the snap so your punter can run out the whole clock? Far as I know, the game could end on an offensive penalty that (by rule) results in a safety.

Also, someone needs to investigate the anthem singer and her people to see if any large bets were made, 'over' on the anthem time was a bigger intentional screw job than Favre laying down for Strahan.



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My understanding (and lord knows) I could have this wrong...

NFL games can't end on a penalty. And the refs do have the authority to add time back to the clock. Best case scenario for mugging the other team is exactly what happened: last play of the game, which the 49ers could take as a fair catch and then try to kick the field goal.

The one thing that I am not certain about, Could you fair catch it, FAKE the field goal and throw a Hail Mary that might catch the Ravens flat-footed? After all, the guy holding for field goals is either Smith or Kaepernick right?



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
    Originally posted by Llakor
    NFL games can't end on a penalty.


They cannot end on defensive penalties (unless the penalty is declined). Games can end on offensive penalties.


    And the refs do have the authority to add time back to the clock.


So you're saying, in TheOldMan's hypothetical, that the refs could arbitrarily put time back on the clock because they wouldn't like the proposed tactic of holding in the endzone? I doubt such a rule actually exists, but if it does it has never actually been used and would lead to a riot if all of a sudden implemented in the Super Bowl in the deciding moments. So while I'm pretty sure it is not actually an option legally, it wouldn't be an option regardless.


    The one thing that I am not certain about, Could you fair catch it, FAKE the field goal and throw a Hail Mary that might catch the Ravens flat-footed? After all, the guy holding for field goals is either Smith or Kaepernick right?


No, this would not be allowed. The reason is, on a fair catch field goal try as described by the rules, the defensive team (that is, the team kicking the ball away after the safety) has to stand 10 yards clear of the line of scrimmage. The kicking team gets basically an uncontested try. It would be totally bogus to grant a team a 10-yard cushion for a field goal and then allow them to run an offensive play from that set up.

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"refs could arbitrarily put time back on the clock "

I was under the impression (again could be wrong - could be remembering a CFL example not an NFL one) that in certain situations the refs automatically added time back to the clock. Basically in cases where teams are trying to end the game by taking a penalty.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by Llakor
    "refs could arbitrarily put time back on the clock "

    I was under the impression (again could be wrong - could be remembering a CFL example not an NFL one) that in certain situations the refs automatically added time back to the clock. Basically in cases where teams are trying to end the game by taking a penalty.

The only rule that applies that I know of is the Palably Unfair Act rule that basically says referees can level whatever penalty they want should the situation require it. But it's never done, and to think that refs are going to suddenly do it in the last minute of the biggest game of the year is crazy.



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    Originally posted by Llakor
    My understanding (and lord knows) I could have this wrong...
Please back away slowly from this non-CFL thread.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Llakor
      My understanding (and lord knows) I could have this wrong...
    Please back away slowly from this non-CFL thread.


You do realize that the NFL is ever so slowly becoming the CFL right?

You already use our 2 Down offence. (Coming Soon to Chicago!)

You changed your overtime rules to be more like ours.

You added the 2 point convert.

In twenty years, you'll have made the field longer and wider ("for safety") and you may even have added the Rouge. (1 point for missed field goal unless it is run out of the end zone.)



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While all that may be true, it will not make you any more correct in THIS thread.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by Llakor
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by Llakor
        My understanding (and lord knows) I could have this wrong...
      Please back away slowly from this non-CFL thread.


    You do realize that the NFL is ever so slowly becoming the NCAA right?

    You already use the spread offence. (Coming Soon to Chicago!)

    You changed your overtime rules to be more fair.

    You added the 2 point convert.




There, fixed that for ya!

Also, if every Raven held/tackled/hogtied every 49er and the clock ran out, the refs would throw a flag and the game would have ended in a safety. End of story. Games can end on an offensive penalty.

The way the game actually ended, if the Ravens committed a penalty (facemasking for example) on the punt return, then the game could not end if the 49ers accepted and they would get 1 untimed down if the clock had expired (unless they kept committing defensive penalties, then the 49ers would keep getting 1 more untimed down until they didn't win or they turned over the ball)

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
    Originally posted by Llakor

    You added the 2 point convert.


According to Wikipedia, the two-point conversion was introduced into American football via the NCAA in 1958, to professional American football in 1960 with the AFL, and to CFL in 1975. So while the NFL didn't adopt the two-point try until 1994, it is a wholly American invention, like just about everything else worthwhile about the sport. I don't know enough about CFL rules on the other points you raised in order to offer the relevant rebuttal.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I don't know enough about CFL rules on the other points you raised in order to offer the relevant rebuttal.
To the best of my knowledge, there's no such rules in the CFL, whether empowering officials to add time back because of a penalty, nor that the game cannot end on an *offensive* penalty.



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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      I don't know enough about CFL rules on the other points you raised in order to offer the relevant rebuttal.
    To the best of my knowledge, there's no such rules in the CFL, whether empowering officials to add time back because of a penalty, nor that the game cannot end on an *offensive* penalty.

That rule is in the Arena Football League.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Llakor
    The one thing that I am not certain about, Could you fair catch it, FAKE the field goal and throw a Hail Mary that might catch the Ravens flat-footed? After all, the guy holding for field goals is either Smith or Kaepernick right?


Unfortunately for the 49ers, punter Andy Lee is their regular FG holder. So bringing out Smith or Kaepernick to hold would be a dead giveaway of what was about to happen next...
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
    Originally posted by Canard
      Originally posted by Llakor
      The one thing that I am not certain about, Could you fair catch it, FAKE the field goal and throw a Hail Mary that might catch the Ravens flat-footed? After all, the guy holding for field goals is either Smith or Kaepernick right?


    Unfortunately for the 49ers, punter Andy Lee is their regular FG holder. So bringing out Smith or Kaepernick to hold would be a dead giveaway of what was about to happen next...


I know this rather famously bit the Cowboys on the ass, but this is why it's good to have your back-up QB holding the ball for the field goal.



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