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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I was VERY happy for 99% of the game. I took the G-men at -12.

I thought for sure the ref was going to blow the play dead when Eli did his escape act. When you look at the replays, he is running in towards the "pile" and as soon as Eli escaped, he backed off.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by kwik
    And of course, Mercury Morris is on ESPN RIGHT NOW gloating. I'm fairly certain he's been the worst part of this.


Dolphins fan checking in.

Why SHOULD anyone on that team want their record broken or tied??? I know I wouldn't...and I'm damn sure any one of us on this board that held that record wouldn't want that, either.

Morris was only guy to actually say what every single member of that team felt, yet he'll take the only heat for it.

Say what you want about the 18-1 Pats...their year ends up a failure, and the '72 Dolphins stand alone. And after a 1-15 season, that's all I needed to be happy until Kickoff 2008.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
    Originally posted by Bullitt
    Morris was only guy to actually say what every single member of that team felt, yet he'll take the only heat for it.


Don Shula's been on ESPN various times pointing out that he wouldn't want the Patriots to break their record. However, he was very classy about it, unlike Morris who just looks like a pompous jerk. Coming on ESPN seconds after the game was over looked too much like he was trying to kick the Pats while they were down.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
Some fine reading material (amazon.com)

Well, if someone goes undefeated the Krafts can still make some scratch from this (tess2.uspto.gov)

Wear the shirt! (dickssportinggoods.com)

The lesson from tonight is Plaxico Burress knows things.

Hell of a game, and you cannot give the Giants defense enough credit for the game they played tonight. If Eli Manning doesn't make the best play in Super Bowl history (along with David Tyree) I think Justin Tuck gets the MVP award.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.02
Great game. It was the total oppisite of what I was expecting for the scoring (I thought it would be an offensive onslaught like the last meeting) but it was really thrilling to the very end.

The good news: We in the NY metro area finally have a championship team other than the Yanks for the first time in a dozen years or so. And we got it at Boston's expense.

The bad news: We STILL have to hear Mercury Morris open his fat-ass mouth about how the '72 Dolpfins are the greatest. Is it wrong to wish he get his jaw broken for life?
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#26 Posted on
Awesome game. About time the bandagon Patriots fans got shut up. I've been saying for the six weeks that the Giants D could handle the Patriots and any true football fan had to love the way they did it today. Anybody who watches football and is objective should have known the Giants had as good a chance at winning as the Patriots.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
I'm trying to sort out what happened out there. I watched it, all sixty minutes (although that's not really true - I checked out as soon as Brady's last pass hit the deck, just as Belichick apparently did). Supremely confident throughout, talking my Mom off the ledge at halftime ("you know they are ahead right now, right?"), sensing victory was clinched with the Moss TD catch, then watching the Patriots' two most sure-handed defensive backs, Rodney Harrison and Asante Samuel, let the final nails slip right through their fingers. When Eli's Miracle happened, it was only then that I started hoping the Patriots would have enough time to answer back.

When I was a kid, I used to wonder exactly how I would feel about sports as an adult. I thought then that as I got to be the same age as the players I wouldn't look up to them with the same aura as I did as a kid, but that turned out to be incorrect. Steve Grogan then became Tom Brady now, and the fact that the Patriots finally, FINALLY turned out to be one of the top-eschelon teams in the NFL has been a ride that has been too good for words.

I was born on January 10, 1973 - a Wednesday. Four days later, the Dolphins (the "greatest team ever?" a one-point 'dog in SB VII, so I'd say "no") went out and capped their undefeated season by beating the Redskins 14-7. So clearly, this Patriots team's undefeated run has been a once-in-a-lifetime moment for me, capping an era of fanhood I can recall back to a 55-21 win over the Jets in October 1978, when I was five, the same age as my daughter is today. That same daughter was super-stoked to wear her Tom Brady-jersey today, but thankfully, and I mean thankfully she appears to be completely unaware of the ramifications of the Patriots' defeat. Seriously, thank God for that.

My affection for the Patriots is the only one that stayed with me after I crossed the country, owed largely to them drafting Drew Bledsoe (from WSU) in 1991. I never really liked the Celtics, the Bruins fell off the radar because Seattle doesn't have a hockey team, and even the Red Sox took a backseat to the Mariners after their run in '95, but the Patriots have been my team all of the time. And they won. And won some more. Halle-frickin'-lujah.

I tried, I mean SERIOUSLY tried, not to be the kind of overbearing fan that all of this anti-Pats stuff is intended for. I don't think I've posted in ANY Patriots-related thread since about the Buffalo game, because, and this is probably the native New Englander in me, this season was starting to have the feel of peaking too early, and I DEFINITELY didn't want to be ANY part of jinxing it. (Do I *actually* believe in jinxes? No. Yes. No. Pretty much, no.) I haven't posted in any prediction thread all winter to that effect. With all of the Spygate this-and-that, I've been actually MORE mortified at Bill Simmons' "Who's Better?"-column three weeks ago, or the fact that "19-0" books were being listed on Amazon. I mean, I know the Red Sox winning the Series and the Celtics being awesome and the Pats being MOSSome has you guys skipping through fields of daisies, but WTF? What happened to that sense of New Englander-dread that came up whenever it looked like something good was going to happen to one of the local teams? It's like we (as a fan base of which I only tangentially include myself) were ASKING for it.

So now what? I'm REALLY super-stoked to go into work tomorrow to catch grief from a bunch of semi-fans who REALLY couldn't care less about the Giants and just wanted to "see the Patriots lose" because of their coach or whatever. Look, I'm SORRY that in your life (like mine) your failures aren't out there for everyone - EVERYONE - to see, and are ultimately SO black-and-white that there everyone knows what happened to you. As though any of us would react any better if we worked at something for nine or ten months straight only to have it amount to a whole hill of nothing in front of the whole world. Would I have liked to see a bit more graciousness from our guys? Certainly, but I have a hard time saying I "expect" them to be more gracious when I'm a 35-year old man trying to figure out why I give such a crap about a game I didn't play in and *I* don't even want to talk to anyone about it. Am I hoping this rambling bunch of nonsense will help? Heck, yes. Is this the worst loss in the HISTORY of SPORTS? I'd doubt it. I mean, it feels pretty crappy NOW, especially with the undefeated season being lost, but I'm sure this isn't as bad as, say, the 2004 ALCS. I mean, that had NEVER happened before, and this was just the team with the ball last (for practical purposes, anyway) rallying to the winning score. At least this wasn't the colossal choke-job some will make it out to be. (I guess - WHY DIDN'T YOU LET GOSTKOWSKI KICK THE FIGGIE?!)



I do want to say: Congrats to the Giants. I don't know if scoring that first TD made the Patriots relax (especially their O-line) but the Giants never did. Congrats to Eli Manning, who I can't help but like right along with his brother who I'm supposed to hate, and who came through in a bigger way under real duress than his brother every really has, ring or no ring. And congrats to pieman, who has been flying the Giants colors since forever, and who surely is never going to see another Royals World Series title, but like I have SB XXXVI to remember (and that is THE special one - I watched the highlights three separate times this weekend), he's got this one and it doesn't get much better, does it?



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.51
Since when can you throw the flag to try and challenge whether or not there was a penalty on the previous play? That whole thing just blew my mind.

How is that any different than someone throwing a flag to challenge whether or not there was pass interference on a play?

I thought you couldn't challenge penalties. Can anyone straighten this out for me?



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
    Since when can you throw the flag to try and challenge whether or not there was a penalty on the previous play? That whole thing just blew my mind.

    How is that any different than someone throwing a flag to challenge whether or not there was pass interference on a play?

    I thought you couldn't challenge penalties. Can anyone straighten this out for me?

I would guess that you can only challenge things that are not judgment calls (12 men, delay of game, etc.)



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
    Since when can you throw the flag to try and challenge whether or not there was a penalty on the previous play? That whole thing just blew my mind.
Since ever. If there were 12 men on the field and the official missed it, you can ask for a replay just like any other blown call that a replay could back up. The call on the field was NO call, which was wrong - there should have been a flag for too many men on the field, and that's what why Belichick threw the replay flag. It was a pretty savvy call, but he was lucky to have an entire TV timeout for somebody to have a chance to review the tapes.



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#31 Posted on
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
      Since when can you throw the flag to try and challenge whether or not there was a penalty on the previous play? That whole thing just blew my mind.
    Since ever. If there were 12 men on the field and the official missed it, you can ask for a replay just like any other blown call that a replay could back up. The call on the field was NO call, which was wrong - there should have been a flag for too many men on the field, and that's what why Belichick threw the replay flag. It was a pretty savvy call, but he was lucky to have an entire TV timeout for somebody to have a chance to review the tapes.


So you can go for a challenge on any of the 40 plays a game where holding isn't called, or anytime the officials miss a pass interference call?
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
No. The rulebook specifically allows for a challenge on illegal substitutions, and has since the replay challenges were reinstated.

Most penalties are considered to be judgment calls on the part of the referees, however, you can easily prove that the Giants had 12 men on the field and not 11 with a replay. That's why the rule is there.

EDIT:

On a technicality, however, I believe that if you can find a reason to challenge a play, officials are allowed to call a penalty based on the replay. So, if, for example, you challenge that a receiver was down by contact, and the ref sees that he was being tackled by his face mask (which wasn't called on the field), he has the option of calling that penalty as well.

(edited by Excalibur05 on 4.2.08 0332)


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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
I can't believe I'm saying it, but I'm actually delighted the Giants won.

I decided before the game it was probably the lesser of two evils as:

a. I couldn't stand the thought of an eternity of "are the Pats the greates team EVER/No their MUST be an asterisk" debate in the media and
b. I hated the inane way the mainstream sports media jumped on Burress' throwaway prediction - which he said AT THE TIME was based on nothing more than his jersey numbers past and present - and tried to turn it into bulletin board fodder. I'd like to think said media would realise the reason they have to try and build up 'stories' like that is because they spent media day asking such insightful question as "What's your favourtie food?" and "Just how good DOES it feel to be here?!", but that would be asking for intelligent sports journalism from the mainstream, which seems to be a thing of the past [/rant].

Most importantly though, the gutsy way the Giants played on the night, and the way their D dominated the best offensive line in football had me flat our cheering by the time Manning completed that crazy-assed pass in the 4th.

I'm sure I'll be sick of the Manning love in within the week, at which point regular Giant-hate shall return, but in the mean time heart felt congrats to em.

Random thoughts (for I'm coming off but two hours sleep and really should be saving what little brain function I have for work)....

1. Whatever you think about who came out on top in the Rivers/Eli trade, the Giants look hella smart now for standing firm on not letting Osi be any part of it. He, and the Giants d-line in general played phenomenally all night.

2. Eli showed some guts to come back from making arguably his worst pass of the night to make one of the best plays in SB history the very next down. Speaking of which...

3. As much I'm mature enough to put aside lifelong Eagle love to doff my cap to the Giants, I'm ABSOLUTELY small minded enough to be thrilled that Rodney Harrison's cheating ass shall forever been seen flailing futilely to cover that pass every time it's replayed. Maybe the drugs really don't work.

4. I really don't think Belichick did much wrong at the end of the game. I can easy forgive him not seeing out the last second given how he must have been feeling at the time.

5. The run of losing Superbowl finalists not making the playoffs the next year should be pretty much over.

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    On a technicality, however, I believe that if you can find a reason to challenge a play, officials are allowed to call a penalty based on the replay.


Really? I thought it was only what the coach says he's challenging that could be ruled on? I can't think of a case where it's come up one way or t'other right enough so could be completely wrong.

On the "in the grasp" thing a couple people questioned though, I think the QB has to be - in the grasp AND control of a defender, and be in danger of iminent serious injury for the play to be called dead. At most Eli was simply in the grasp I would have said, so no problem with that call.

Anywho, congrats to the Giants, commiserations to the Pats, and all I ask for next season is a healthy McNabb filling out an Eagles jersey for 19 games....
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#34 Posted on
As a Rams fan it was nice to see the patriots be the team that scored the tieing/winning score with just a little bit too much time left on the clock. I am also happy that the Patriots are not even the best 18-1 team in the history in the NFL (the other two actually won the championship)



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
Funny how last season a failed call of in the grasp in Tennessee caused the Giants season to head into a freefall, while this year a failed in the grasp call led to a championship.
On the replay rule: Once the official goes under the hood, the whole play can be looked at. If a coach challenges that a ball was caught/not caught, and the official notices the ball was caught, but the receiver was actually down 2 yards away from where the ball was spotted, then the ball can be placed at the spot of the replay. Pass interference and holding are not challengeable calls, though interference probably should be, considering it is the most punitive penalty in the league. I was more surprised the Patriots didn't quicksnap on that play, because it was obvious there were 12 on the field. If not for the 1st quarter being so quick and having few commercials, they might have been able to get away with it.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.84
Congrats to the Giants, and I hope pieman is thoroughly enjoying this!

I didn't have a rooting interest on either side, I was just hoping for a good, close game. The lack of scoring was kind of disappointing, but it was fascinating to see the Giants D keep the Pats penned in. That fourth quarter was amazing, and the escape act pass to Tyree was one for the ages.




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As some of you have gathered, I am enjoying this immensely. It's been 17 and 21 years since the other two and that seems like a long time ago! I was 26 and 30 years old when those happened! I can't remember that long ago! I watched both SB XXI and SB XXV (Norwood wide right) this weekend to prepare for SB XLII and get the good vibe going at our house.

Being a life-long Mainer, I watched the game much like JJD said you should - in total dread of losing. Even once Burress caught the TD pass, I assumed Brady would lead them down for a tying field goal. Watching Plaxico's postgame answers and getting choked up - I felt the same way.

I took a lot of crap at work on Friday while wearing my #10 Giants jersey, but it is proudly displayed in my office this morning as the SUPER BOWL MVP jersey.

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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
Two things:

1. People questioning the calls in this game are retarded. It was called as well as you could have hoped. No question at all that they got it right on not calling "in the grasp" and the one mistake(missing too many men on the field) was corrected by a challenge. Refs did their job very well.

2. Belichick absolutly should be called out, as he is, for leaving the field early. His team was forced to stay out there, endure one last snap and the craziness that ensued. He should have been there with them.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
This. Just. Sucks.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by dMr
    On the "in the grasp" thing a couple people questioned though, I think the QB has to be - in the grasp AND control of a defender, and be in danger of iminent serious injury for the play to be called dead. At most Eli was simply in the grasp I would have said, so no problem with that call.

Yeah, I'm going to completely agree with you there. I think this whole "in the grasp" debate is a non-story. There have been a few times when I've seen Michael Vick make a spectacular play that would have been blown dead if all it took was for him to be in a defender's grasp. Either way, though, whether you're a Giants fan/hater or a Pats fan/hater you have to be glad the refs didn't blow that play dead or else we wouldn't have been able to witness the best play in SB history.

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