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#41 Posted on
OSH I think Omega is talking about the big Splash Eric/Shane had on WWE.com homepage this weekend promoting Summerslam/

Last year Summerslam won easily PPV of the year, this year it has to be one of the bottom 2 or 3 PPV's of the year. Sloppy, unimaginative, underwhelming... Starting off on a real nice point with Lilian singing the anthem, that woman can turn me into a good ol' American patriot in a second.

-La Resistance vs. Dudley Boys- This match was okay, it won my "over expectations prize" for the night. The crowd was very into this opening bout. They seem to be working pretty intense, Resistance kept the title, which is a bit surprising, but with the addition of Conway I guess they feel there still steam in the French men sails... Seeing Spike Dudley come to help the Dudleys out the first thing that came to my head was "Hey this reminds me didn't your brothers attack you not so long ago when they we're thinking of joining Bischoff" Spike mentioned it in his recent article on WWE.com as one of the most painful moments. I guess none of that matters in WWE booking. Maybe that's one reason I can't get into the Dudley's anymore

-Undertaker vs. A-Train- 2nd match in. All ready falling on the crutch that is REF BUMPS times 2. 10 minutes of really nothing, seems both guys brought each other down because the powermoves didn't even seem impressive. Just a total bore... The Glorious return of Stephanie McMAHON(1) after a lengthy 10 day absence, glory to be! Sad thing is that Sable and Steph had more emotion and crowd caring then the hosses. But theyre 2 Big Guys the crowd always eats that up, right?

-Shane McMAHON(2) vs. Bischoff- This was bad as well, 10 minutes of story more then wrestling. Shane kicks Eric's ass for the first half then Coach of all people come in and does a heel turn on Shane (why?). God forbid wrestlers get involved in this (sorry Christian). Then Eric is in control but Austin comes out. The silliness continues with Coach and Bischoff pushed into Austin so he can beat them up. In the 10th minute we finally see the first spot with Shane "playing wrestler" (thanks Pringle) but doing a beautiful flying elbowdrop from the top turnbuckle crashing onto Bischoff... Now go to your daddy's bought mansion for the week so the real wrestlers have to go to houseshows. Well they should be somewhat rested. Majority couldn't make the PPV cut. I'm a Shane fan, really I am but this is Raw angle/segment taking up the 2nd biggest PPV of the year

-Gurerrero v. Benoit v. Tajiri v. Rhyno- Match of the night. Great psychology of wanting to make a guy submit but seeing your opponent is doing a submission on another guy. Rhyno goes for the Gore and gets hit with the belt, Eddie gets knocked off as Tajiri gets the advantage then Benoit knocks takes Tajiri off so he gets the brief advantage including a nice visual of the flying headbutt from the corner where Tajiri hangs upside down. Tajiri gets to Benoit and both go out of the ring with Eddie hitting the frogsplash for the pin. Great match even if it was only 10 minutes.

-Angle vs. Lesner- This match fell really short. First off the missed DDT from the F5, and I'm very forgiven for miffed spots, I could buy Angle just got enough of him to take him down, Fine. But repeating that same spot 5 seconds later!(Even the fans went "come on" and didnt' react to the babyface reversal). Did they think this was tapped SD If an internet darling wasn't involved they would have been ripped, there lucky they are both over cause the arena fans forgave quickly. Nice touch of Brock selling a bad wheel when doing an F5 at the end but it's not worth it if you are going to drop Kurt on his skull. Vince McMAHON(3) run in, REF BUMP!... It was the second best on a poor PPV but nothing like their WM match hell not even close to the 3 way of Vengeance. One positive is that they had the heel/Face dynamic to their match which saved it, but for these guys ability in ring fell way short.

-Kane vs. RVD- Very telling on Heat, when they were outside and asked "Do you think RVD will win." they get a non-response then asked "Will Kane destroy RVD?" and the response was yeah but not enthusiastic because he's a heel, but when the give no hope the RVD has a chance, what's the point... I guess Kane's push, pushed him off the top turnbuckle which he lay on the ropes which seemed forever. RVD goes for the Van-Terminator but Kane moves but good ol' JR starts screaming " RVD connected! Even this move can't keep Kane down". King had to say "JR I think Kane moved". Much brawling outside, like a more athletic Bischoff/Shane match, well atleast on RVD's part. RVD got more offense then I expected, which I guess is a positive but again under-achieved. Another no DQ falls count anywhere last second stip.

-HHH v.Y2J v.Orton v.Nash v.HBK v.Goldberg(EC)-Y2J starts it off, I guess they want him to carry this match much like he's been carrying Raw these past few months. Couldn't pick a better 2 to start with Y2J/HBK. Orton next& at times seemed to be needed to be led by the hand especially on offense by not knowing who to go when, but he did alright. Nash came in and shockingly got eliminated fast by a superkick by HBK and a pin by Jericho!. HHH is next but is met with a superkick & takes the PPV off. Goldberg is last out(joy)& goes through all 3 guys like a hot knife through butter. Jericho taking the dangerous spot(of course) through the glass. Billy squashes everyone easily making them seem irrelevant(the great WCW booking Meltz want's returning). They do a spot with Goldberg kicking glass in(talk about playing with fire). HHH gets a sledgehammer & connects with Billy during the spear(ala Eddie/Rhyno)...

HHH does sh*t all and is still the champ, is that what they call art imitating life? Jericho worked hard as always, Orton looked decent in there and so did Michaels. But it was nothing compared to the first one, there was no imagination in there like the first one did especially by RVD. I'm not even calling for dangerous spots but I'm thinking something like the Spiderman move by someone in the EC1. This match was just very ordinary, with a poor finish... Most entertaining thing in the match was Flair holding the door shut with his feet from the outside and flipping off Goldberg.

-other stuff- Linda McMAHON(4) slaps Eric, was that slap for what happened Monday or for telling on Sunday. I think there's more then meets the eye on this horrible angle... Christian asks Eric before Bischoffs match if he wants some help from a profession wrestler, Eric says "Why have wrestlers on a wrestling PPV angle?", well maybe not in so many words

-Line of the Night: JR "RVD hit the move(Van-Terminator) but can't keep Kane down"... King"I think he moved".
-3Stars of the Night: 1)Jericho. 2)Benoit. 3)Tajiri.

I see I'm much more negative on the show then most here. Really opened my eyes on how unimaginative the in ring wrestling has become. I'm not even going to include McMAHONSX4 in 4 separate segments. Ref bumps in 2 matches. Last minute stips of NO DQ/countout for 2 matches & a Gore/Spear being met with a weapon in 2 matches. Is it asking too much for WWE to start putting some thought in making each match somewhat different on a PPV... My standards were higher here for it was a split squad PPV where they claim the creme de la creme of each brand is on the show. If that's the case I think the recent blackout spoiled WWE's creme. The last 3 matches underachieved. 4way met expectations. Shane/Eric was nothing but an expensive overrun segment. A-train/Taker was bad in ring & got no heat, then what's the point. The tag title match was better then expected but hardly enough make this PPV worth while




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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    Emma, I have a question for you since you were there live. At the end of the Elim Chamber match, it sounded like the crowd just went totally flat and dead once Goldberg lost and the heel beatdown began. Was that just something that came off badly on tv, or did the crowd really just sort of deflate at that point like it looked?
Did it? I was so busy screaming & applauding that I didn't notice. ;-)

IMO, it wasn't so much "deflate" as "we're exhausted". There certainly was a significant faction of Goldberg support; however, there were also a lot of HHH fans (besides me), plus lots of Shawn Michaels love, the rabid Jerichoholics, & an astonishing abount of Nash support. And most important, a lot of Goldberg dislike. By the end, a lot of the crowd (not all, certainly) was't really unhappy about HHH winning. On HHH's exit particularly, they turned the crowd cheers way down. So of course Evolution is doing a beatdown on Goldberg -- what else would you expect?

There was one slightly odd-feeling thing for me -- don't know if others in the crowd thought so too. (And it looked perfectly fine on TV, & made perfect sense as it was done.) When Earl was counting the final 3 on Goldberg, it felt like Goldberg was supposed to kick out. ("OMG, he kicked out of the sledgehammer!") When he didn't, it was an "Oh! We're done." moment. Might just have been me though.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    If HHH eats a superkick and is knocked out for ten minutes, why not PIN HIM?
Y'all may not have gotten it as clearly as we did. HHH wasn't at all "out". He got turned loose, ate the superkick, then very much decided to just hang out in his cubby & let the others deal with beating on each other. That's my Cerebral Assassin! (With Flair's counsel, I might add.) Cowardly & heelish? Yup -- that's his job description.

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Why is it considered good "heat" if fans are booing and throwing shit in the ring at the end of the main event?
I may be missing your point, but there was no shit thrown. ???
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#43 Posted on
Here are my thoughts. Bear in mind I haven't seen a PPV since Mania. I also haven't read about wrestling on the net in the last 3 months or so, so this is more of a Marksist viewpoint than usual.

The last 4 or 5 Summerslams were all very good including a great one last year. This year...not so good.

I went to Hooters in Wayne, NJ. One of the only places in the state showing this PPV.

I arrived at 9PM. When talking to the guy at the door, I thought I had perfect timing. I missed all the crap and arrived just in time for the good stuff. Who cared about A-Train/Undertaker and where was John Cena?

The problem with my timing was the place was packed. I couldn't even get a spot near the bar, it was standing room only.

Nobody knew who to cheer for in the four way match. I was rooting for Tajiri. The marks next to me thought Benoit deserved a title shot. I said he already had one at the Rumble but nobody remembered it.

The Angle/Lesnar match had everyone rooting for Angle. He was the most over face of the night, to my surprise. The guy next to me said he hated Brock for beating up Zack Gowan. He said it was cruelty to the handicapped. I didn't like the addition of McMahon/Zack into the storyine either. I was interested in Zack for the one Smackdown episode when they did his orgin. Everything else didn't interest me. I called a Vince McMahon with a steel chair in the middle of ring finish in the beginning. It is getting easier than playing Clue. Luckily that was the fake finish and the real finish was payback for Mania. It was a very good match with some nasty looking F5s.

I liked the RVD/Kane match, but I'm a fan of RVD. Good chair shots and stuff. We had some RVD chants going on. The guy next to me called RVD a "muchacho" I didn't know enough spanish to stick up for him.

The main event was why I showed up in the first place. I liked Nash jobbing first for looking like an overgrown Jeff Jarrett. I liked Orton bumping like a madman. I liked Jericho attacking Orton. I liked Jericho bumping. I liked the Shawn Michaels superkick from the side on Triple H. In the first WarZone game HBK could also do his superkick finisher from behind. Goldberg had a big vocal fanbase, but in truth, more people at the place were cheering for Triple H. The fact that Triple H's only offensive move was a sledgehammer shot didn't please me. It reminded me of the Bret Hart steel plate nonsense that went on Nitro. Everyone stayed up to the stupid finish that ruined what would have been a very enjoyable match.

Overall: I'd say it was a bad PPV. Not worth buying or renting, only worth about $3. Had I paid $35 in my home, I'd feel like I'd been mugged.

Restaurant Review: I had a burger and bottled water for $10 net including tip. It was good. The service was slow - 30 minutes. The waitress complained that the people in front of me had $40 worth of food and didn't tip. I said I wasn't with them. Hooters only has themselves to blame. They should've charged a cover to keep out the riff-raff scumbags, but didn't. The place was loaded with cheap college kids on break. The chicks were real hot though, worth tipping anyway.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by emma

    Y'all may not have gotten it as clearly as we did. HHH wasn't at all "out". He got turned loose, ate the superkick, then very much decided to just hang out in his cubby & let the others deal with beating on each other. That's my Cerebral Assassin! (With Flair's counsel, I might add.) Cowardly & heelish? Yup -- that's his job description.



Well, he certainly lived up to his billing as the greatest ring general of his generation. Maybe I just didn't see him, as he was directing traffic from his cell. What a performance.


    Originally posted by emma
    I may be missing your point, but there was no shit thrown. ???


My fault, I was going off live reports. I doubt everyone was as happy as you were over that finish.




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#45 Posted on

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The guy next to me called RVD a "muchacho" I didn't know enough spanish to stick up for him.


muchacho means boy. So either it's some kind of spanish slang or he was calling RVD a boy. Either way, god bless babelfish.

Oh, and I was baseing my Shane/Bischoff over Brock/Angle hype on:

A) WWE.com's big splash page saying "Tonight. SHANE v. BISCHOFF!" and NOT "Tonight: Elimination Chamber!" or "Tonight: Brock v. Angle!"

B) During Heat last night, the build up seemed to go like "Tonight, the huge elimination chamber match. Plus, a match built on an intense hatred between Shane McMahon and Eric Bischoff. Also, Brock and Kurt fight or something"

C) All the hype Brock and Kurt got has consisted of them drinking milk together. Three weeks ago, Brock turned on Kurt. And they haven't laid a hand on each other or had a serious confrontation between them since.

In the end, it's just a personal observation I made. Get the fuck over it.



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#46 Posted on

    Originally posted by OMEGA

      Originally posted by skorpio17
      The guy next to me called RVD a "muchacho" I didn't know enough spanish to stick up for him.


    muchacho means boy. So either it's some kind of spanish slang or he was calling RVD a boy. Either way, god bless babelfish.

    Oh, and I was baseing my Shane/Bischoff over Brock/Angle hype on:

    A) WWE.com's big splash page saying "Tonight. SHANE v. BISCHOFF!" and NOT "Tonight: Elimination Chamber!" or "Tonight: Brock v. Angle!"

    B) During Heat last night, the build up seemed to go like "Tonight, the huge elimination chamber match. Plus, a match built on an intense hatred between Shane McMahon and Eric Bischoff. Also, Brock and Kurt fight or something"

    C) All the hype Brock and Kurt got has consisted of them drinking milk together. Three weeks ago, Brock turned on Kurt. And they haven't laid a hand on each other or had a serious confrontation between them since.

    In the end, it's just a personal observation I made. Get the fuck over it.




It seems like more or less you need to get the fuck over it. It's a fucking splash page on WWE.com man, did you see all those AWESOME Shane/Bischoff commericals on TV advertising Summerslam instead of Brock/Kurt? I didn't think so. It's almost impossible to nitpick minutia more than that. "They used more characters in the description to Undertaker/A-Train on the Summerslam webpage than they did for Kane/RVD." Sheesh.



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#47 Posted on

    Originally posted by TheMaskedComputerGeek
    It's a fucking splash page on WWE.com man, did you see all those AWESOME Shane/Bischoff commericals on TV advertising Summerslam instead of Brock/Kurt?


Actually, I saw two Shane vs. Eric commercials (yes, ACTUAL COMMERCIALS HYPING THE MATCH LIKE A MAIN EVENT) during Velocity and Confidential this week.




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#48 Posted on
    Originally posted by TheMASKEDComputerGeek
    It seems like more or less you need to get the fuck over it. It's a fucking splash page on WWE.com man, did you see all those AWESOME Shane/Bischoff commericals on TV advertising Summerslam instead of Brock/Kurt? I didn't think so. It's almost impossible to nitpick minutia more than that. "They used more characters in the description to Undertaker/A-Train on the Summerslam webpage than they did for Kane/RVD." Sheesh.


Actually, I just off-handedly mentioned it. Other people questioned where I based it. Instead of ignoring, I answered them with (what I believe to be) somewhat valid points.

Sound to me like YOU need to calm down a bit there.

And yes, I DID see the Shane/Bischoff commercials. Not my idea of awesome, but they were there nonetheless.

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#49 Posted on
The commercials hyped a three-week feud as well as they possibly could have.







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#50 Posted on
Well, HEAT is a RAW show right? So it would make sense that it would hype the RAW stuff over the Smackdown matches in some respect.

And don't the two shows have different bookers? (Not T) It doesn't seem fair to critize RAW for the lack of talk on the Smackdown side...



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And where was the shark anyway? Logical booking says that he would run out and cost Lesnar the title. It's just another example of shoving a McMahon down our throats will neverminding an up and coming star.

Anyway.

Here's another thing about the World title situation: Hunter's not leaving for another month or so, right? If he lost the title last night, what would he do for another month? Take off early? Build up a rematch he'd have to lose? Or play third man in a Jericho / Goldberg title feud?

And please don't take that as "last ditch" justification for the ending. Since it looks like they're grooming Goldberg for a World title run, last night was the best way to build up to it.

Goldberg plowed through everyone in WCW twice before he pinned Hogan for the title. WWE isn't going to do that. Hunter opined way back when that you couldn't do anything with the unbeaten monster once you beat him. (IIRC, it was right after the trade show incident.) I don't think WWE creative would do any better than WCW did with him after the cattle prod, politics or not. At best it would be "just as bad."

So now Goldberg's been beat in WWE. It was gimmick match and there were SHENANNAGINS~! so it doesn't take away from his heat. Having him enter the match last and after Kevin Nash power bombed everyone was a stroke of genius. It had the crowd rabid for Bill to come in and destroy people and the guys he destroyed were sufficiently softened up for his "Diesel moment" to make sense. Then the crowd got the most pop-worthy part of a Goldberg match three times in a row.

My only problem with the finish is that now that Hunter's outsmarted Goldberg, how will Goldberg overcome it? Hopefully they come up with something better than the Sting / Flair match where Sting had all of his friends at ring side. At this point, I think Austin has to get involved. He's the only babyface that ever outsmarts other people.

Actually... that could be really good. People would get into a Goldberg / Austin alliance. Have Austin do the talking to set everything up, then Goldberg comes out and does his thing.



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#52 Posted on
*****5 Star Scale*****

1. Resistance Def. Dudleyz
Prediction: Dudleyz
**
Thoughts: outside help, oh the horror, and it begins in the first match! The match, eh.

2. Undertaker Def. A - Train
Prediction: Undertaker
*
Thoughts: boring as hell, god this steph and sable shit is sickening.

3. Shane McMahon Def. Eric Bischoff (added stips, blah, why didn't he just do that shit before?)
Prediction: Shane
**
Thoughts: The coach turn gave this another star, boring, boring, boring.

4. Eddie Guerrero Def. Rhyno, Chris Benoit, and Tajiri
Prediction: Rhyno
***
Thoughts: Finally a 3 star match, a pity eh, should have recieved more time.

5. Kurt Def. Brock Lesnar
Prediction: Kurt
****
Thoughts: I personally ate this match up, but due to horse shit interference and a blown spot that was tried shortly after, i deducted a star.

6. Kane Def. RVD (stip added, blah)
Prediction: Kane
**
Thoughts: Boring brawl, Kane looked clumsy

7. Triple H Def. Goldberg, Jericho, Nash, Orton, and Michaels
Prediction: Jericho
***
Thoughts: I hate Triple H so much that I feel it's ok that he wins now. It's weird, used to, i was sick of him holding the belt, but now, i don't know, i can't really explain. Sucky ending though, too short.

Average Match Rating: 2.43 Stars
Thoughts: A sloppy ppv, where stars i like to see (WGTT, Mattitude, Big Show, Christian, Rey, Cena, etc.) didn't make the 2nd biggest show of the year. Undeserving were, eric, shane, and a - train. A big let down.

Prediction Accuracy: 4 for 7 (57%)

best to worse ppvs 2003
1. Vengeance
2. WrestleMania 19
3. Royal Rumble
4. Backlash
5. No Way Out
6. Summer Slam
7. Judgment Day
8. Bad Blood




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#53 Posted on

    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    And where was the shark anyway? Logical booking says that he would run out and cost Lesnar the title.




Two words: Land Shark!

(At SummerSlam, on the outside of Brock's dressing room.
A radio is playing and there is a news alert. "A Land Shark is on the loose, keep your eyes open, If you see it contact the police." "knock knock" Land Shark hits upon the door)
Brock: Who's there?
Land Shark: Pizza man.
Brock: I didn't order a pizza. Go away.
("knock knock")
Brock: Who's there?
Land Shark: Mr. Wilson.
Brock: Who?
Land Shark: Fed Ex.
Brock: OK, I sick of this game. (Brock open's the door and is eaten by the Land Shark!)

IMO the best SNL character ever.



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#54 Posted on

    Originally posted by Shark
    I'm just a dolphin, sir.




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#55 Posted on
I really hope they don't take the Nash response as anything more than he lives in Scottsdale...

anyways, they could turn this around, it was a sellout and I wouldn't be surprised if tons of people bought it simply because it was SummerSlam...
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65

    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Actually, I just off-handedly mentioned it. Other people questioned where I based it. Instead of ignoring, I answered them with (what I believe to be) somewhat valid points.

    Originally posted by OMEGA
    In the end, it's just a personal observation I made. Get the fuck over it.
These positions are inconsistent.
    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Sound to me like YOU need to calm down a bit there.
To the casual observer, it might look like the first guy dropping the f-bombs is the one needing the valium.

Also, in the future you might want to reconsider posting your opinions -- sorry, "personal observations" -- if you're going to be so unwilling to accept the notion that other people just MIGHT have differing opinions which they may decide to share here as well.



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