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#21 Posted on
I read the recap a few minutes ago. Sounds like an okay show to me. The EC match sounded pretty damn entertaining though, as well as Angle/Lesnar. As far as the whole vibe of the show, it just seemed like it could've been much better than it was. But the good matches sounded good, and the bad matches bad. This PPV seriously needed the World's Greatest Tag Team.

What was Coachman smoking?! From what I read, this is about as nonsensical as a woman who takes six days to slap the guy who forced himself on her. Bischoff's not fired yet, I see? Nice.

Okay PPV, but I've seen better, like last year's show.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker

      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Why is it considered good "heat" if fans are booing and throwing shit in the ring at the end of the main event?



    I can only remind you of the NWO debut and the trash filling the ring that night.




I thought about that when I wrote the post. Here's why I think this is a different situation. When it happened with the NWO, it worked. People were pissed but they still tuned in, with the hopes of the NWO getting theirs. It never happened. It got run into the ground, with interference a-plenty and run-in finishes. People stopped watching. Sound familiar?

The key is for a good heel to be effective, is people have to keep watching. But no one believes that HHH will get his comeuppance. He can't lose. For more info on why he can't lose, read Jeb's excellent column, "How many more times, Mick?"

Sure, some of us keep holding out for a title change, but we're either playing devil's advocate just for the sake of being different, or we're the type that still holds out hope that Bret Hart will return and slap Vince in the sharpshooter (probably on the same day of that title change.)

HHH clearly idolizes Ric Flair and is patterning himself after Flair. That's fine. But Flair had legendary matches. He didn't do a lot of jobs, but he did them when they were necessary. And he worked in a time where there weren't monthly pay-per-views. A cheating heel holding the belt, cheating month after month, will not work in these shortened cycles.


Edit - Spf, couldn't have said it better.

(edited by asteroidboy on 25.8.03 1059)


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#23 Posted on

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
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I can only remind you of the NWO debut and the trash filling the ring that night.

I'm OK with the match, but I'm hard pressed to see how Goldberg can win in a normal match if he can't beat Triple H in an uber-cage.



Hogan "beating" Nash at the Georgia Dome was greeted with boos and trash in the ring as well. I just am a little confused with the booking. HHH is hurt, Goldberg is finally getting over like a super face. The time was right, IMO. It is getting close to Hogan in WCW. No matter what, no matter how predictable every match is, HHH retains. But the match was badass, Goldberg is a monster, but still not enough of a monster to beat HHH.



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#24 Posted on


    I saw it echoed in another thread, but I'm to the point now where I kind of hope he never loses it just so after each PPV I can come on here and see how it is justified this time. This one it was "oh they're in a cage that's a bad way to end a reign." I'm sure next month it will be "they didn't want to give that away on a single brand PPV" or "Goldberg doesn't work enough house shows" or "they just signed Alexis Laree and she'll be the one to end his reign" or something along those lines.


I've been saying this stuff for a year (3 years, actually), but this time it's different. As far as I'm concerned, the match shouldn't have been booked that way in the first place, but since it was, they shouldn't have crowned a new champion last night.

It wasn't a good way. After beating everyone on RAW over one-on-one and proving himself to be, without a shadow of a doubt, the best wrestler on the RAW roster, how can he lose it in a 6-way? HHH has proven that he can make up false rape allegations from your past, steal your girlfriends, electrocute your best friends, declare himself to be the best member of the Clique and beat everyone that dares defy him, and still get away with all of that.

How is HHH losing in a 6-way any sort of comeuppance for that? He needs to meet his adversary. There needs to be that one hero that rises up and doesn't take HHH's shit, then beats him to become his successor as champion.

That's what there needs to be. Not that WWE will ever deliver that.
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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    And for you optimists that insist that HHH will job at Unforgiven, I ask WHY? Why, why, why? How? And why?




I don't understand when people make comments like this. I'm not fully an "optimist", but I think logic states Triple H WILL (at some point in this great lifetime) LOSE the title. I mean he's had it almost a year. I think there's nothing wrong with thinking he's gonna lose the title soon. Time is definitely drawing near, even if it isn't at Unforgiven. For people to make comments like "there's no hope, Triple H will always win", that means he will NEVER lose the title. I think that's a little more unrealistic. All title reigns come to an end, and even if you don't, I'll take that optimistic POV that WWE is looking at their options as we speak.
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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    If HHH doesn't job to Goldberg at the September PPV, he is still well on his way to ruining wrestling. If he does, he's still done a lot of damage in the past that I'm not sure WWE can ever fully recover from, but at least it'll give the new champion a chance.

    (edited by SKLOKAZOID on 25.8.03 0832)

For those who wanted to see RVD as champ, I ask of you why, why, why, why, WHY? He has the worst promo skills on the show (yes, even worse than Linda McMahon). He canít put any sense of psychology or drama in a match (see his match with Benoit last year, and what had to be the worst Crossface ever taken). His moves all suffer from Rockís Spinebuster syndrome Ė somehow heís able to keep his opponents down long enough to run through his 20-second set-up sequences for each move, but the moves he actually tries to score a pin with only get a three-count.
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#27 Posted on
I don't know about anyone else, but as soon as I heard JR talking about how H was the "underdog" in the match, I KNEW he'd win.

That said, I enjoyed the match, and wasn't uberpissed that HHH walked out with the belt. I guess you can count me in the group of people who are rooting for H to keep the belt just to see everyone bitch about it.

On to other things:

Evil Coach RULES. I loved the bit where Bischoff cut off JR/King's mics and had Coach do the PBP. They should pair Coach up with someone and have him do that all the time. And he IS bigger than I thought he was. Has be gotten into H's YJStinger?

Did anyone else notice that everyone seemed to have a bit of the slips last night? It started on Heat with Rey slipping off the ring, and then missing his WCP, and then Kane slipping off the rope, and Goldberg slipping during his entrance...and I know there were others...

And Sable was the only Diva out tonight? When was the last PPV where THAT happened? And no, I'm not counting the winner of the "Divas Search".




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#28 Posted on
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I'll bet if A-Train, or Stevie Richards, or the unemployed guy from 3-minute warning started beating everyone on the roster by hitting them with a loaded ham and cheese sandwich, he'd get lots of "heat," too. Especially if it went on for 14 months.





Well if it was Steven Richards, I would mark out like Star Jones at an "All You Can Eat Buffet"! And in the Arenas they could have a WWE food booth that sold......loaded ham and cheese sandwiches! I have the same feeling about Richards as I did about Jericho back when he was in WCW, the guy is special and if booked correctly he could be huge.

And in response to Spf2119, I don't think that many are bothered by HHH and his super reign, I know I'm not. The thing I have hated about it was the crappy opponents he has faced, especially for two months strait. The reason I wanted Trips to lose to Booker T at WM was because the WWE bookers totally fucked Booker over when he came in, Booker should have been pushed as a main eventer. But instead they jobbed him till he was a low-midcarder and made the "Big Gold Belt" seem like a worthless accessory that he picked up at a flea market on his way to the WWE.

I wanted Jericho to win the EC last night, not because I'm sick of HHH(cause I'm not), but because Y2J has been the MVP of Raw, and they booked his last title reign like shit. And I think most people wanted Jericho to win it because of those reasons, I want people I like with the belt, I like HHH, I like Jericho, and I like Booker T. I don't hate Golberg, Nash,or HBK, I just don't care for them.



(edited by Chico Santana on 25.8.03 0958)


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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by Phantom
    For those who wanted to see RVD as champ, I ask of you why, why, why, why, WHY? He has the worst promo skills on the show (yes, even worse than Linda McMahon). He canít put any sense of psychology or drama in a match (see his match with Benoit last year, and what had to be the worst Crossface ever taken). His moves all suffer from Rockís Spinebuster syndrome Ė somehow heís able to keep his opponents down long enough to run through his 20-second set-up sequences for each move, but the moves he actually tries to score a pin with only get a three-count.


Because it's a great story.

On one side, you have HHH, the man who takes himself so seriously, excells in every area he tries in, has positioned himself into such a position and, if he is ever in danger of losing it, he panicks and cheats in every possible way to hold on to it.

And, on the other, you have the free-thinking, carefree RVD. He doesn't care if he's at the top or the bottom, he's going to go out there and do whatever he feels like doing and, if he wins, great. If not, he doesn't sweat it.

It's the tortoise and the hare of wrestling, and it would have been a fun thing to see play out.

RVD's ability to pull off moves, workrate, or any of that stuff matters? It doesn't. Wrestling is drama, with a little sport on the side. Realism is left at the door. A simulated sport is the world that the drama happens in, but it's a means to an end.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 25.8.03 1010)
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#30 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Here's why I think this is a different situation. When it happened with the NWO, it worked. People were pissed but they still tuned in, with the hopes of the NWO getting theirs. It never happened. It got run into the ground, with interference a-plenty and run-in finishes.


This sort of debate really is quite silly. You can say its bad heat, I can say its good and we'll both get nowhere. Ratings have held pretty steady since HHH became champion and recently have started to rise. The arena last night was apparently genuinely sold out and those in attendance certainly seemed to believe HHH was about to get his comeuppance. Go to the predictions thread and see how many people picked Y2J and Goldberg to win. If that proportion of 'smarks' thought there was a chance HHH would lose, its probably safe to assume that a fair number of casual fans also felt that way.


    Originally posted by dskillz
    HHH is hurt, Goldberg is finally getting over like a super face. The time was right, IMO.


But now the re-match has that certain je ne sais quoi to it. If Goldberg had gone over last night, be it in the original singles match or in the EC, there would have been no real build to it. There was little reason for Goldberg to dislike HHH or vice versa save for a desire to hold the Heavyweight title.

Now HHH has every reason to be petrified of Goldberg who has now become his nemesis. Equally Goldberg has every reason to despise HHH and want revenge, title or no.

Whether Goldberg goes over next month or whether he goes over I am absolutely 100% convinced that barring injury he WILL be your next Heavyweight champion. And last night was a pretty darned good way to start the build toward that.



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#31 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMr
    But now the re-match has that certain je ne sais quoi to it. If Goldberg had gone over last night, be it in the original singles match or in the EC, there would have been no real build to it. There was little reason for Goldberg to dislike HHH or vice versa save for a desire to hold the Heavyweight title.

    Now HHH has every reason to be petrified of Goldberg who has now become his nemesis. Equally Goldberg has every reason to despise HHH and want revenge, title or no.

    Whether Goldberg goes over next month or whether he goes over I am absolutely 100% convinced that barring injury he WILL be your next Heavyweight champion. And last night was a pretty darned good way to start the build toward that.



If they had kept it as a Goldberg-HHH match, with the press conference, and it being the main event of the second-biggest PPV of the year, I think the timing would have been right to put Goldberg over. That's just my take.

You don't need to have the heel beat the face first to build heat. In fact, it really doesn't work well because it hurts the credibility of the man that's supposed to be the future champion by having the current champion establish his superiority. Flair-Sting did things right by having Sting go toe-to-toe with the champion. Flair not actually beating, and sometimes losing in non-title to Sting really helped Sting get over in their big title match before Ole Anderson destroyed Sting's career with crappy challengers.

The face going over in the first encounter is the best way to do it. Hogan-Andre (yeah, yeah, 1980 match) is a great example of that. Just have one match with the face going over and build heat in other ways related to the story going in. HHH-Goldberg had built-in heat anyway without HHH establishing himself as better going in.
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#32 Posted on
The entire booking of the Elimination Chamber and HHH/Goldberg feud has been totally different to any of the previous World Title grudges we've seen over the past year. First, Goldberg ploughes through THREE established superstars (okay, calling Orton "established" is a stretch), including SHAWN MICHAELS. I'm suprised no-one's picked up on the supposed locker-room cancer doing the mega-job for a relative newcomer on the WWE scene. Secondly, NONE of Hunter's former feuds have seen him triumph in the first match. They've all been "opponent gets pin in a tag match/DQ win in a PPV match", NOT the other way around. Third, Hunter barely won with a sledgehammer shot and nothing else-NOT the Pedigree. A small note, I know, but when looking at the minutiae of a feud it says a lot, ie. HHH CAN'T beat 'Berg. Fourth, the massive beatdown at the end had a huge undercurrent of fear running through it, including Evolution's backing-away exit, the commentary and Goldberg's insanely angry face at the end. And fifth, NONE of Hunter's former feuding partners have cost Vinnie Mac $3million.

Other thoughts:

-Duds Vs. La Res got things off to an okay start, which was a pleasant surprise; nothing memorable, tho. *1/2

-'Taker Vs. A-Train, again, was decent but totally unremarkable. *1/2

-Evil Coach kicks seventeen different kinds of ass; I am shocked, SHOCKED I say, at how darn good he was in the dickhead role. Match was eh, but EVIL COACH, BABY. **

-The Fatal Fourway deserved at least five minutes more, but I'd guess we'd be saying that no matter what happened. Otherwise great. ****

-Brock Vs. Angle surpassed 'Mania quite easily by having a clearly defined face/heel divide and a MUCH stronger story going in. Plus Angle's pitbull-like hold of the ankle lock to finish was muy tasty. ****1/2

-Kane Vs. RVD was kinda dull, but served it's purpose I guess. kane should've been booked stronger. *1/2

-Other thoughts on the EC: Jericho and Michaels starting was an excellent move...HUnter's new tights indicated a "champ retains" result right from the start...Goldberg can be HUGE after this...When Nash went berserk was anyone else thinking "Damn, Zach Morris looks PISSED"? ***1/2

Overall, a good show, but lacking the top to bottom quality of a world-beater.



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#33 Posted on

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    If they had kept it as a Goldberg-HHH match, with the press conference, and it being the main event of the second-biggest PPV of the year, I think the timing would have been right to put Goldberg over. That's just my take.


Fair enough, but the HHH injury pretty much negated that possibility. A 2 minute squash (while doubtless appealing to some) would do huge damge to HHH's career, along with all those who he defeated over the past year.



    Just have one match with the face going over and build heat in other ways related to the story going in. HHH-Goldberg had built-in heat anyway without HHH establishing himself as better going in.


I don't mean to be rude but I honestly have not a scooby as to how you can watch that match and think HHH established himself as better. He walked out his cell, ate a Superkick, was down for about 2-3 minutes, got up, ran and hid like a bitch, then smacked Goldberg in the head with a sledgehammer to win. Now I know that strictly sledgehammers are allowed inb the chamber, but what HHH did really 'wasnt cricket' as they say in these parts, and certainly didn't put him over as better in the eyes of the fans at the show.

HHH looked like an utter bitch compared to Goldberg last night, far inferior to Goldberg and clearly knowing it. The ensuing beatdown of Goldberg only added to the sense that HHH knew he had to do all he could to take him out as a threat there and then.

Yes they could have built heat as you said, and yes it would all have gone along swimmingly. But last night got Goldberg over HUGE as a face, arguably for the first time since he arrived. At the same time HHH got as much heat as I've seen him since losing to HBK at Summerslam 2002. In my opinion that'll only serve to make the pay-off all the better in the long run.



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#34 Posted on
Just to address something stated earlier in this thread: there was a backstory to the Coach heel turn. Remember the bitching about Lawler constantly on Coach's ass for the entire time he subbed for JR? If anyone has the RAW tape when Coachman leaves the booth and JR sits back in, look at Coach in that little moment. The reason the HEEL COACH BY GOD turn is so hilarious is because it was very subtly done. Kudos on the swerve of the year. HEEL COACH .vs. HHH at Survivor Series.



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#35 Posted on
La Resistance d. Dudley Boyz: Blah match. But the people are into La Resistance (for god knows what reason), so it wasn't a bad way to start the show off, as far as getting the crowd going. Overall, however, the actual match was pretty bad. Grenier just isn't working here. Dupre isn't great, but he definitley has potential. I don't see Grenier ever improving. Stranger things have happened, however. For a split second, I thought the run-in camera guy was Paul Heyman. Then I thought "No, that doesn't make any sense", and realized it must have been Conway in disguise. Uggh match, but the crowd enjoyed it.

Undertaker d. Albert: Another bad match. The crowd started slowing down at this point. Undertaker gets his win over the young guy, and can now go to the main-events again. Whoop-dee-shit! The whole match was a set-up for Stephanie v. Sable. Because, y'know, the McMahons are all people care about.

Shane McMahon d. Eric Bischoff: Speaking of which, we have this match, which was promoted as being the secondary main-event, behind the elimination chamber. Yes, they promoted this bigger than Angle v. Lesnar. That should tell you something about this company. I will give them this: I did NOT see the Coach heel turn coming. Match really should have ended after Coach threw McMahon in the steps and Bischoff pinned him. Of course, McMahon's can NOT lose, so we ended up going into over-booking over-drive. McMahon wins with his elbow through the table. Alrighty then.

Eddie Guerrero d. Chris Benoit, Rhyno, and Tajiri: Great match. Way too short, but excellent while it lasted. I was suprised that Guerrero got the win clean instead of cheating, since that's his whole gimmick. The finish just seemed to come out of nowhere. Let's do a nice, LONG Guerrero/Benoit blowoff match at No Mercy, and then push Guerrero to the main-events, because the time is NOW to push him. Of course, that means they won't, but still...

Kurt Angle d. Brock Lesnar: What a way to build up the newly heel-Lesnar, eh? Wrong finish. Lesnar really should have beaten him, did an injury angle with Kurt getting stretchered out, and then built to the blow-off at WrestleMania. With this finish, I really can's see WHERE they are going. Anyway, the match was AWESOME. Not as good as their WrestleMania match, but still excellent, and definitley the best thing on the show.

Kane d. Rob Van Dam: Bland match. The dead crowd didn't do it any favors either. That's what happens when you build up one match and then deliver another. Some nice spots here and there, but it was overall slow. Yes, Kane slipped on the rope and crotched himself. Can we move on? That skateboard chair kick from RVD to Kane looked pretty stiff. Another finish that came out of nowhere. Kane tombstoned RVD on the steps outside, picked him up, rolled him in the ring, and then... pinned him. I expected RVD to kick out, but no dice. Just seemed to come out of left-field. Pretty much, just a match to build up Kane as the next main eventer. Well, they didn't bury Rob Van Dam nearly as bad as I thought they would, so yay for small favors, I guess.

Triple H d. Goldberg, Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, and Chris Jericho: Where to start? First off, yay for getting Nash out of there within 3 minutes. When the thing started I said "If they're smart, they'll get Nash in and out of there as quickly as possible". I never suspected that they'd actually do it! Match seemed like last year's, just with about a quarter of the speed. Still pretty good. Nice pants Triple H. When Goldberg was doing the killer-gimmick, I thought "If they have Triple H win now, this company is stupider than I thought". A sledgehammer shot later, and Triple H won. That just deflated me. I'll admit, going in, I wasn't too sure Goldberg winning here would be the best of moves. But the way they booked it, Goldberg winning would have been the only acceptable ending, and they didn't do it. Fucking idiots.



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#36 Posted on
dMr, one man's "uber-bitch" is another man's "cerebral assassin" as that ending can just as easily be painted to "HHH outsmarted Goldberg" without much mental stretching in the least. The last 5 min of the show consisted of Goldberg getting tricked by HHH, Goldberg getting beaten by HHH, Goldberg getting attacked by all of Evolution. But I guess on the other side of the coin Goldberg did make angry faces.

I'm sure Goldberg will have heat tonight simply because he's Goldberg. But when he doesn't take the belt next month either I think we can call him Scott Steiner version 2.0



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#37 Posted on
spf, for the record, I will count myself as one of the individuals saying that, now that the WWE has signed Alexis Laree, she'll be the one to take the strap from HHH. But then, I'm the biggest Alexis mark I know.

The ending to last night's match was one I was perfectly acceptable with, and I'm just as tired of HHH as most. HOWEVER... hearing the crowd mark out for Goldberg was a moment I haven't experienced for the past couple of years, and that was a moment where the crowd was TRULY behind a guy, and it was genuine. No canned heat, no dead and dwindling crowds... they wanted Goldberg to win so bad they could taste it. Sure, Triple H retained... but for a moment, the crowd wanted it.

I'm optimistic they'll get it. For the first time in a really long time, I'm willing to keep hope alive that this storyling will come to a conclusion.
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#38 Posted on

    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Shane McMahon d. Eric Bischoff: Speaking of which, we have this match, which was promoted as being the secondary main-event, behind the elimination chamber. Yes, they promoted this bigger than Angle v. Lesnar. That should tell you something about this company.


See, I'd have thought that they built up the Angle/Lesnar match every Smackdown for about three months and threw the Shane/Bischoff match together in three weeks worth of RAWs, but I guess that's what I get for paying attention.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
World Title Options

Triple H (5-time WWF Champ, 2-time World Champ)
-He's been champion since September 2002, less the one month (Nov 17 to Dec 15) that Shawn Michaels held it. Bookers seem to be trying Honky Tonk Man heat with him, which seems to be working somewhat.
Shawn Michaels (former World Champ, 3-time WWF Champ)
-Already held it, didn't exactly set world on fire, but was more due to booking than ability.
Kevin Nash (former WCW & WWF Champion)
-*Shrug* Makes less sense than HBK, as fans like him less.
Ric Flair (16-time World's Champion)
-Well, he's a legend, but he's got less mobilty nowadays.
Chris Jericho (former WWF & WCW Champ)
-*Shrug* He's got heat. I'd pay to see him wrestle.
Goldberg (former WCW Champ)
-They'd have to line up 176 guys for him to beat for us to buy him as a champion.
Booker T (5-time WCW Champion)
-Stuck in the midcard.
Rob Van Dam (undefeated ECW TV Champion)
-Stuck in midcard.
Kane (former WWF Champion)
-Stuck in midcard.
Steve Austin (former 6-time WWF Champion)
-Semi-retired/injured.
The Rock (former 7-time WWF Champion)
-Making movies.

I think they're just wanting us to WANT to see him lose, a lot. The fact that half of the board wants Goldberg to dethrone Trips bodes well for any PPV which they advertise Goldy vs. HHH as a featured attraction.



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"The last 5 min of the show consisted of Goldberg getting tricked by HHH, Goldberg getting beaten by HHH, Goldberg getting attacked by all of Evolution."

He outsmarted Goldberg...by gurning in fear, scurrying away and using a sledgehammer?

"that ending can just as easily be painted to "HHH outsmarted Goldberg" without much mental stretching in the least."

Except the only people painting it that way are the few on this board. The WWE most definitely seem to be playing the "HHH got a fluke win and now has absolute Hell to pay" card, so I really can't see how you can complain about how it could be "twisted". Surely the only angle that matters is the one that the fed is taking?

"Yes, they promoted this bigger than Angle v. Lesnar. That should tell you something about this company."

And I'm really not sure where you're getting THAT from. How in the name of Hell was this promoted as bigger than the Angle/Brock match?! Aside from the fact that the two are on different shows, Shane/Eric got a few backstage skits last week on Raw and a coupla segments the week before. On the other side of the fence, the main focus of SmackDown has been the Vince/Brock alliance, Brock's emergence as a monster heel and Angle's babyface comebacks. And I must've imagined the title match going on two matches later than Shane/Eric.

Hyperbole at it's worst, by God!



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