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#1 Posted on
Overall, the show was a mixed bag of good, bad, and ugly.

(and for the record, so I'm not repeating myself, the following are quite obviously my opinions - so if yours are different, skip the disagreeing and just get to telling us what yours are)

THE GOOD:
Angle vs Brock Part II. Kurt Angle walks out looking pretty goddam resilient and tough. The next real showdown will be a toss-up as to who the winner is... and I believe the WWE is in need of building more feuds that have unpredictable endings. Vince's presence was going to happen, and I wasn't terribly dissatisfied with how they handled it.

Eric Bischoff vs Shane McMahon
The outside interference, again, was going to be there... and Austin's appearance really brought some excitement to the match. Going in, we knew who was going to win, and the only question was how entertaining it would be. Sure, it was a bit of a clusterf*ck with the run-ins and the JR/Lawler silencing snaffu... but hey, it was sorta fun through all of the chaos.

ELIMINATION CHAMBER
This is what PPV is all about. A big hyped-up match. And I don't care who likes HHH as champ or not. I like that the long reign is finally starting to work now. It took a LONG time, but it's starting to pay off and let the World Heavyweight Title gain some image from this. Now, we get to see Goldberg REALLY chase after Triple H for the title rather than just be handed the title because HHH was a little injured. Jericho or Orton would have been nice here, but HHH is a total full-out heel and hiding in his chamber is what a heel would do. Good work.

THE BAD:

RVD vs Kane
The match was so-so, with too many shaky spots from Kane's end. Not bad, per se, but it could have been a lot better. Nice work from RVD, I'll give credit for that much. And after his recent radio interviews, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a whole lot of him too often for the next little while.

THE UGLY:
Dudleys vs La Resistance
I'm just bored by this. Get Conway in the ring and actually wrestling, and then I'll be more interested. But I like the slow build because I already know the payoff of Conway's wrestling is pretty good. He'll definitely raise the quality level of this piss-poor feud up a lot of notches.

Taker vs A-Train
Considering that this is a continuation of the rumored push for Taker to return to main-eventing, I think they could have had a better opponent to give us a better and more exciting match. Hell... what's so wrong with coming out and saying that this match will be a #1 contenders match, and then making it a Triple Threat match or a simple 1-on-1 between Taker and someone else? Tonight, the triple theat would be too much (co-existing with the Elim Chamber and 4-way US Title match), but I'd much rather have seen Benoit/Taker/Matt Hardy... and watch Taker come out the winner of a GOOD match, than see Taker beat A-Train and walk out of a slow, sluggish, and bad match.








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#2 Posted on
No mention of the only "very good" match on the card? Benoit and Guerrero were super hyped tonight. Tornado DDT, running powerbomb to the floor, and pulling off a decent and believable 4-way.




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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
The Good:

Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar
-I don't get having Lesnar turn heel then tap out to Angle but I see them kinda giving up on Lesnar for awhile and pinning the blame for bad buyrates on him. Looks like he'll go feud with Undertaker. Angle as champion as good because he can work with everybody.

Fatal Fourway
-Only ten minutes? An excellent ten minutes but still. Benoit should turn on Angle and join Lesnar and Vince and start crippling people with Brock.

Elimination Chamber
-Goldberg was finally being GOLDBERG and the fans bought into and were going batshit for him. And then the sledgehammer comes in. A lot better then the first one, IMO as they let Jericho and Michaels carry it.

The Bad:

RVD vs Kane
-Bland brawl.

Dudleyz v La Resistance
-Good heat but La Resistance are so green and the Dudleyz act is tired. Drop the freakin' Wazzup spot already. Change the reference at least.

The Ugly

Shane vs Bischoff
-Quite the wrestler that Shane McMahon is. Coach is horrible at everything he ever does. Bischoff shouldn't be in the ring. Austin's fat and looks bored.

Taker vs A-Train
-Stephanie returns again! She's had more comebacks in the past month then The Undertaker. And it looks like this is leading to Steph/Taker vs Vince/Lesnar feud. Of course they'll never mention the Dark Wedding.

Overall, thumbs in the middle.
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#4 Posted on
Live shows are just so excellent! Apparently when people are spending $90 or $300 for tickets, they're a lot more interested in watching the show, rather than waving their signs to get on camera. That was *very* pleasant.

They'd been saying that we were sold out, & we were indeed jam packed up to the rafters. In the past they've blocked off the upper deck on the fixed camera side, but even that was full.

I wandered by the front of AWA at about 1:15 (on my way over to the baseball game next door) & wondered why they could possibly be setting up a broadcast table outside in the direct sun. I don't blame Coach one little bit for turning, after being stuck out there for an hour!

Rey for an opening match -- we were happy, but it wasn't long enough. (I think he was legit hurting from that spot where the backs of his legs hit the ropes.)

Lillian's national anthem kicks some serious ass in person.

Dudleys/La Res was kinda hazy through the pyro smoke. I actually noticed that fake photographer earlier in the match. Only because, when the action went flying over to that corner, he backed up a whole lot more than the other photographers. (I wonder how often the legit photographers get run over.)

Undertaker "inadvertantly" clotheslining Brian Hebner was a lot more obviously telegraphed from where we were. On the other hand, ATrain & Taker slamming each other around is much more impressive live. Taker's bike no-sold on his exit, so he ended up walking out.

Austin's glass shatter in the Coach/Bisch beatdown Shane was a huge pop. Suprised me just how big.

Not sure exactly what he whacked his head on, but Bisch was legit bleeding pretty good from the back of his head after Shane put him through the Spanish announce table. In the subsequent backstage segment (where Linda slaps him) & the trainer is just finishing sewing Bisch up -- they may well have just finished sewing Bisch up.

We were all confused about who to be for in the Four-Way. (We cheered more than it sounded like for Tajiri & Rhyno's entrances!) It was excellent fun though!

Kurt/Brock was excellent. One thing you didn't see (because of the camera angle): toward the end of the match, just after Vince came out, Brock F5'd Kurt while still selling the leg/ankle. Kurt came down pretty ugly on his head. He got an arm up to protect himself some, but he still cranked his neck a bit sideways & whacked his head. He seemed to be OK though, fortunately.

We felt bad when Kane slipped off the ropes. Didn't stop us from a "You fucked up" chant, but still. The camera angles did many, many favours for Rob.

I completely laughed my ass off when Goldberg fell down doing that stupid kick during his entrance. It's one thing to blow a spot, but falling down during your entrance is too silly!

There's a lot of stuff that's hard to see in the Chamber. I was sitting just off dead center-ring opposite the fixed camera, & I couldn't see Randy in his cubicle at all, couldn't see anything going on on the Tazz/Cole side, & couldn't see much on the ramp-side. I'd bet if you were sitting off one of the corners, it'd be really bad.

No spots off the tops of the cubicle's this time. Good.

Ric Flair, with his feet holding H's door shut & his shoulders on the barricade was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

They took a while getting Goldberg collected up & taken out. He seemed to be legit hurting. They showed close-ups of the gash on the back of his leg. Dunno if that was the only (actual) thing -- sorta seemed like something more.

The Birthday Party aftershow was great fun! We hadn't heard anything about it being Vince's birthday, so it was all a suprise for us too.

Live shows are so much fun!! (Tomorrow, Raw! :-) )
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#5 Posted on
This was a great PPV.

The Brock/Angle match was awesome, and afterwards I felt just emotionally drained from it. Vince kinda looked messed-up after that chair slam (notice how the chair just doesn't collapse like normal).

The Four-way was a good match, too (one of my non-wrestling friends asked "What's a Fatal Four-way?" and another friend replied "An orgy gone horribly wrong.").

They could've taken a few minutes from Taker/Albert and from Shane/Bischoff and given it to the Elimination Chamber. I mean - it's got 6 guys, the match SHOULD be longer than 20 minutes. It was interresting to see HHH in those long spandex biker-shorts (I can't remember him wearing tights since before the MInistry of Darkness - of course, I'm not trying very hard either).

Dudleys/La Resistance was pretty non-offensive, but I'm just wondering WHY they didn't have the Dudleys win.

Goldberg falling was great - we cracked up at that. Oh, and I think Goldberg didn't learn his lesson before about punching glass (of whatever kind).

Oh, and a Coach turn? That's just one of those nice moments you NEVER expected to see, but I was glad it happened.



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#6 Posted on
I looked into getting tickets for SS a couple days after the tickets went on sale, and all they had were upper level "obstructed view" seats then. Definetely a legit sellout.

I really got a kick out of the cutaway from Snow and Coach outside to Cole and Tazz inside with their arsenal of tropical drinks. Pretty funny stuff.

The Coach heel turn was fun. Coach actually looks pretty big standing next to Bischoff. And given his announcing skills, it's nice they found something else for him to do. At the same time, that was one of the worst Shane O Mac matches in quite awhile, and yet it was still worth watching.

I was surprised at how short the Elimination Chamber match was, but at the same time really shouldn't have been given who was involved. My friends watching with me all thought it would be great if they did some goofy finish where Orton inadvertantly ended up with the title. I'm just glad it's not on Goldberg. I think the real winner was Flair for his excellent heel tactics in protecting HHH. Flair made it all worthwhile.

The four-way was great. Angle/Lesnar was great. Taker/A-Train was okay. RVD/Kane was the biggest disappointment for me.

A fun time was had by all. Pretty good PPV overall.



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#7 Posted on

I must be getting old, or smarky, or both. I figured there'd be soooooo much hate for the Elimination Chamber. Nash going out in 2 minutes and destroying everybody to keep his heat was completely lame. Jericho (naturally) was the only one to take any real bumps. Orton did well, but his time was limited. HHH taking the super-kick and lying there for about three days made me burst out laughing until Goldberg made everybody look like total chumps. H retaining is horrible, but perhaps less horrible than Goldberg as champion, becuase if/when Goldberg wins the title (I'm guessing he will at Unforgiven), who the hell is going to challenge him? It'll be The H Syndrome all over again, only at least Hunter, when healthy, can work a decent match.

But, I'm dwelling on the negative. Pretty much everybody else on this show was awesome. Angle/Lesnar was a MOTY candidate (at least until Vince showed up), the 4-way rocked the house, and The Coach is The New Virgil, and my new hero. I haven't laughed that hard in ages.




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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by BrewGuy
    I must be getting old, or smarky, or both. I figured there'd be soooooo much hate for the Elimination Chamber. Nash going out in 2 minutes and destroying everybody to keep his heat was completely lame.


All I took from that (coupled with Nash's powerbomb on Goldberg on RAW) is that they may be going for a Nash heel turn in the near future.



    Jericho (naturally) was the only one to take any real bumps.


The spear on Orton for one looked pretty sick, and its not like Goldberg was a picture of health at the end.



    Orton did well, but his time was limited.


Judging by some of the Randy posts of late I don't think many folks here will be too upset on that one. Not that I'm one of them mind.



    HHH taking the super-kick and lying there for about three days made me burst out laughing....


Well given HHH's injury status they had to do something to take him out of action for a while. Having him sell a super kick aint that awful.



    .....until Goldberg made everybody look like total chumps.


Or you could look at it as "until Goldberg came out and got super over as a face".



    H retaining is horrible


The heel heat he was getting last night would suggest otherwise.



    but perhaps less horrible than Goldberg as champion, becuase if/when Goldberg wins the title (I'm guessing he will at Unforgiven), who the hell is going to challenge him?


Kane?



    Pretty much everybody else on this show was awesome. Angle/Lesnar was a MOTY candidate (at least until Vince showed up), the 4-way rocked the house, and The Coach is The New Virgil, and my new hero. I haven't laughed that hard in ages.


Agreed. If only they would give us an Evil Doink on SD to go with the newly found Evil Coach ;)



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#9 Posted on
some thoughts:

1) How long have the Dudleys hailed from New York City instead of Dudleyville? And why was Ross calling their half-brother connection 'folklore'? Why expose the angle? It's a white guy and a black guy defending their country, and they're brothers. That's a great bit.

2) Did Ross actually call RVD the greatest athelete to never be world champ? And where was he for the last two years?

3) I look forward to Brock proving himself again to Vince after giving up to Angle.

4) A nice quick pace for the Elimination Chamber, but a weak ending. Goldberg was primed to win and the audience was ready for it.

5) Eric is the PPV bitch. Even Tito Santana won a few.

6) For a guy who's 206 pounds, Tajiri stood toe-to-toe with Rhyno, Benoit and Eddy. That's impressive. A great match with cool spots galore.

7) Liked the Coach turn. Nicely done.

8) Did anyone read what Shane's shirt back read? I'm a sucker for his customizing.







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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    8) Did anyone read what Shane's shirt back read? I'm a sucker for his customizing.
"BITCHOFF" and "AUGUST 24, 2003"

I think he stole those ideas from MEEEEEEEEEEE



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      8) Did anyone read what Shane's shirt back read? I'm a sucker for his customizing.
    "BITCHOFF" and "AUGUST 24, 2003"

    I think he stole those ideas from MEEEEEEEEEEE



Ah HA! Now I can add it to my comprehensive, exhaustive list of Super Shane Shirts. Thanks.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
I'm surprised that as many people liked the Coach stuff. I expected cries of "Not ANOTHER non-wrestler getting PPV time", or something to that effect. I think I was just more confused than anything. The chairshot out of nowhere looked pretty sweet. At least it was all confined to the segment with other non-wrestlers.

Did anyone catch that little banter between Coach/Snow and Cole/Tazz on Heat? Snow had some little quip about Cole/Tazz "having heat".

I really missed the ladies tonight.



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Good points, dMr. I guess I AM getting old. :)




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#14 Posted on
Emma, I have a question for you since you were there live. At the end of the Elim Chamber match, it sounded like the crowd just went totally flat and dead once Goldberg lost and the heel beatdown began. Was that just something that came off badly on tv, or did the crowd really just sort of deflate at that point like it looked?



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Highlight for me was The Chamber. Goldberg destroying three guys in record time was just awesome. It made me mark out big time; I'm not afraid to admit it. And when HHH got the disputed pin, I was upset, but not in a you should have put Booker T over at WrestleMania" kind of way, but in a JR-esque "Damn you, Triple H!" kind of way. Which isn't a bad thing.

I thought Brock-Angle was better here than at Mania. Or at least more memorable. My only question is, they just spending three weeks building up Brock as an unstoppable monster (which is the right way to go, IMO). Why have him tap out?

The Coach turn was fun, and completely came out of left field. I was wondering at first why they didn't foreshadow it on Raw, but then it would have been predictable. I hope they follow up with it.

The four-way was very good and Tajiri of all people impressed me the most in there. It would have been nice to give them a few more minutes in there, but it still did the trick.

Overall, I got the same feeling from SummerSlam as I did last year: a handful of good or memorable matches, and the crew obviously stepped things up a bit to make the show different from the monthly PPV offerings.



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#16 Posted on
Did anyone else catch the most surreal JR line of the night? During the ladder usage in RVD/Kane:

"That Home Depot special ain`t made out of chocolate!"

Where has JR come across a giant chocolate ladder before?! Or could he at least have saved that line for next month when the PPV is in Hershey?

Also, I loved Jericho getting the pinfall on Nash, even though Nash got to powerbomb everyone afterwards. Anytime my favorite wrestler pins my least favorite, that`s a nice birthday present. (Yes, it`s true, Vince shares a birthday with ME.)



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Why do they insist on screwing paying customers? If HHH eats a superkick and is knocked out for ten minutes, why not PIN HIM? Why cap off an incredibly decent card with a pointless and unoriginal finish?

Why is it considered good "heat" if fans are booing and throwing shit in the ring at the end of the main event? Is it even better heat if they don't watch RAW the next night? What if they stop watching all together? Is that heat? I'll bet if A-Train, or Stevie Richards, or the unemployed guy from 3-minute warning started beating everyone on the roster by hitting them with a loaded ham and cheese sandwich, he'd get lots of "heat," too. Especially if it went on for 14 months.

And for you optimists that insist that HHH will job at Unforgiven, I ask WHY? Why, why, why? How? And why?





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Angle beating Brock via tapout is great. The fact of the matter is, Angle is the man and Brock is boring. Angle has gone out of his way to exhibit both talent in terms of entertaining the crowd and putting on great matches. Brock's Brock. I really question why they even thought that turning Brock face and having him chase for the title at WrestleMania was even a remotely good idea.

The fact of the matter is this: at this stage in Brock's career, he should be the one putting Angle over, not the other way around. Brock just isn't there yet.

Last night was a great way of putting Angle over and giving him a solid top spot on SMACKDOWN! so he can be an uberface champion. I say they should give him a lengthy reign with a wide variety of opponents and feuds until he jobs it to HHH or something.

WWE did a great job making it look like Brock had a chance, pairing him up with Vince and having him destroy his opponents in the weeks leading into SummerSlam. He really proved that he is indeed a very good heel when paired with someone. I hope they keep it up with him.


    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    And for you optimists that insist that HHH will job at Unforgiven, I ask WHY? Why, why, why? How? And why?




I am very much in agreement and, as far as I'm concerned, HHH should have jobbed the title to RVD last September before this mess began. But, he shouldn't have jobbed the title last night. Whether it's Goldberg pinning Jericho after HHH got pinned by HBK, or Goldberg pinning HHH after HHH beat everybody else, it was no way to end a monster heel title run last night.

If HHH doesn't job to Goldberg at the September PPV, he is still well on his way to ruining wrestling. If he does, he's still done a lot of damage in the past that I'm not sure WWE can ever fully recover from, but at least it'll give the new champion a chance.

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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Why do they insist on screwing paying customers? If HHH eats a superkick and is knocked out for ten minutes, why not PIN HIM? Why cap off an incredibly decent card with a pointless and unoriginal finish?


I would have been much more pissed had Goldberg simply missed a spear and knocked himself out on a ring post. I didn't see the hammer until Triple H stood up, and no one (and the Rock means 'no one') gets up from the Hammer of Thor.

Honestly, Triple H can join the Pimp Legion of Doom with that magic stick of his.

And I don't think you can pin someone in their holding pen. Why else would Hebner drag Goldberg off Hunter inside the pen (except to distract us while Hunter gets the hammer)? Yeah someone shoulda dragged Hunter out. Or were they all getting jackknifed straight to hell at that point?


    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Why is it considered good "heat" if fans are booing and throwing shit in the ring at the end of the main event?



I can only remind you of the NWO debut and the trash filling the ring that night.

I'm OK with the match, but I'm hard pressed to see how Goldberg can win in a normal match if he can't beat Triple H in an uber-cage.




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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    And for you optimists that insist that HHH will job at Unforgiven, I ask WHY? Why, why, why? How? And why?

Because there's a large group of people here who are optimists to the point of near-mania. Every single PPV, every single opponent is the one who they are certain will be the payoff. I saw it echoed in another thread, but I'm to the point now where I kind of hope he never loses it just so after each PPV I can come on here and see how it is justified this time. This one it was "oh they're in a cage that's a bad way to end a reign." I'm sure next month it will be "they didn't want to give that away on a single brand PPV" or "Goldberg doesn't work enough house shows" or "they just signed Alexis Laree and she'll be the one to end his reign" or something along those lines. They should really have HHH opponents come out in Chicago Cubs or Boston Red Sox jerseys at this point to let everyone put their endless optimism onto them.

Goldberg isn't getting the belt next month. Would it make sense for him to? Sure it would. But I bet anyone on this board that he is not going to leave with the belt. HHH will just barely squeak through after Evolutionference or something and JR will bleat about "By Gawd Goldberg took the Game to the limit and beyond tonight" just like has happened the last 15 months or so.

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