Originally posted by ManiacalClownThere's an actual explanation to the Van Daminator spot. When you have something thrown at your face, you have a natural reflex to grab it, or at least try to. It's a defense mechanism.
ever have shit flung at you? [don't ask]
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Somebody mentioned the spot when the ref's out and the guy with the advantage tries to revive him. Why not just kick your opponent while you have the opportunity?
I have a variation on that. I hate when the ref goes flying, then a few seconds later one of the wrestlers goes for a pin or a submission move that would have beaten his opponent (either the pin lasts longer than three seconds, or the opponent taps out). Duh, the referee's out! Then the wrestler who had the advantage has the annoying tendency to pulverize the referee for missing the call.
I hate when a really strong guy, upon being pinned, kicks out so dramatically that his opponent goes flying. Brock Lesnar had this spot at least twice during the Flair match on RAW. I get the point already, he's strong. Very strong.
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A lot of these spots suck because of the WWE style matches, where it´s 'hit the spots without giving them time to set up properly.'
Ex. In the days of the 20-minute cruiser matches in WCW, a good wrestler (usually Malenko) actually would hit a powerbomb on Kidman early in the match before Kidman would reverse one later.
Also, the cruiserweight 'flippy flippy' thing (also the variation that Owen used to do) is kind of cool if the cruiser has been on the wrong side of an armbar for a while and uses that to get out of it. But again, it takes too long to set up for the current WWE.
As for the stupidest spot, that would be the Road Dogg wearing a cup to counter Chyna´s low blow of doom. Before that, you could kind of suspend disbelief when it came to low blows. But after they showed that just wearing a freaking cup would totally protect you, it became impossible.
I seriously can't stand any spot where wrestler A must use a move he never uses just for wrestler B to perform one of his own. Examples being Kidman and the never hit powerbomb and both Bradshaw and Scott Hall with the fall away slam. After a while you'd think that the wrestlers would wise up and just stop using these moves against them!
I'm surprised this one hasn't been mentioned: Wrestler A is on his back, with his feet towards the nearest ringpost. Wrestler B climbs to the top turnbuckle of that post and goes for a double axe-handle, invariably hitting nothing but Wrestler A's raised foot (feet). If Wrestler A didn't counter it, the double axe-handle would still have next to no force left in it because, like Kane's flying clothesline, Wrestler B would still have to land, and then fall forward, just to hit it. The dumbest spot EVER, in my estimation.
Just a few others:
"You Can't Powerbomb Kidman" is entirely dependent on the moveset of the opponent. I can live with it if his opponent regularly uses a powerbomb. Otherwise, it lifts the suspension on my disbelief.
Kick Wham Stunner. Gee Steve, why didn't you kick him in the gut right at the opening bell? You almost certainly would've had the match sewn up. One of the many reasons why I'm glad Austin is gone.
Reverse vertical suplex. It's a neat spot, but it's basically a Diamond Cutter with more oomph because of the suplex, yet it's put over as, at best, a setup/transitional move. I guess my problem is more with the way that it's put over less than any other move like a Diamond Cutter.
I was watching a handheld of some lucha from Tijuana. Nicho (Psicosis) was doing that silly spot in which the wrestler in question will sit on the middle rope, lean back, and hold on to the ropes while Nicho delivers a legdrop from the top.
Well, in this one, Salsero fell out of the ropes to the mat before Nicho could even get to the top of the buckles. So, he just climbs back into position so the move could be delivered. As if the original move was hard enough to suspend disbelief for.
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Originally posted by Triple Preperation H The stupidest spot in all of wrestling is Hogan's big boot and leg drop. HHH, Undertaker, Andre the Giant, King Kong, Godzilla, take them all. You can hit them in the head with a chair, drop the STEEL steps on their face, pile drive them, drive their heads into the mat, give them neckbreakers, and any other move you can think of. But oh, when Hogan dishes out a mighty leg drop, it's lights out!
Ah, but you underestimate the absolutely awesome development of Hogan's (Whatever the name of that darn muscle is just behind the kneeis ) muscles. He has the hardest calves and Thighs in the universe. Much harder than steel chairs or those pussy moving stairs. If they were do hard, how could they levitate each time UT rides his bike to the ring.
No controversy there.
I go for the people's elbow as my goofiest move. UT might land 20 elbows, but Rocky lands one (without that incredibly softening elbow pad), and it's history.
Shades of the Baron and his Iron Claw!
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I've seen the leg-over-the-neck-flippy-flippy thing lead into other moves, like a german suplex or an arm drag, but never on WWE TV. They should really do that a few times, just so people watching think that it MIGHT lead somewhere.
Originally posted by Nate The SnakeI go for the people's elbow as my goofiest move. I think Rocky's had a railroad spike surgically implanted in his arm. He should just move to an elbow-based moveset. Then he and HHH can feud over which hinge joint is better.
Ah, this doesn't surprise me. This goes along with Lex Lugar's implanted steel plate in his arm.
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Originally posted by HrdCoreJoeI seriously can't stand any spot where wrestler A must use a move he never uses just for wrestler B to perform one of his own. Examples being Kidman and the never hit powerbomb and both Bradshaw and Scott Hall with the fall away slam. After a while you'd think that the wrestlers would wise up and just stop using these moves against them!
Huh? Ever seen a Bradshaw match? He always uses that fallaway slam, it's kinda like his trademark move. Same with Hall, he always had the fallaway slam in his moveset. Like Bret Hart with his 5 moves of doom, Hall always had his three: fallaway slam, side suplex from 2nd rope, Razors Edge.
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Yes, I'm aware that they use those moves. I was referring to the fact that whoever they are wrestling has to invariably try to cross body block them at some point to be put into position, regardless of having it in their arsenal. I.E. using a move they usually don't just so the other wrestler can hit one of their signature moves.
There are two problems with those annoying counter spots (YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB KIDMAN, YOU CAN'T CROSSBODY BRADSHAW, and, let's not forget, YOU CAN'T SUNSET FLIP RIKISHI): first, the wrestler involved works them into every single match, which drains a lot of the cool factor out of them, and second, they force their opponents to use moves that aren't in their movesets, and are often obviously illogical. Why WOULD anyone think trying to sunset flip Rikishi is a good idea? Low center of gravity and everything....
Oh, and add me to the list of those who wince at the cruiserweight flippy-flippy spot -- it's even more annoying since X-Pac seems to have made it a standard part of his repertoire.
Re Zaphod's post: I hate any spot where a wrestler jumps off the second rope with an axehandle in a transparent attempt to set up a counter, whether dropkick, kick, punch, or whatever.
On the other hand, I don't mind the Van Daminator if RVD hits it fast enough, so as little time as possible elapses between the catch and the kick.
WOW Triple H has just kicked the crap out of me. I can barely stand. I have an idea -- why don't I grab tightly around his legs to stabilize myself ... this should only take about ten seconds ... this way if he moves around the ring I will follow him in perfect position to be pedigreed. Oh joy!
I don't particularly mind having dual champions as long as the "brand extension" goes on. It makes sense to have a champ for each show, (and tag team champs as well). People need a title to chase. Should it have been split?