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Ender
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So... this past Saturday, I found out through the grape vine that a sometimes friend of mine from back while we were still in High School, and who is now currently enrolled in the same Cegep as I, was arrested this past Friday for possession and distribution of kiddie porn; rumoured to be formally charged with possession and distribution of pornographic pictures depicting children under the age of 14, and a count of children under the age of 5.

I must say that I felt very weirded out when I heard this. It actually really upset me knowing that he, the same age as I, had done that... and... it's not something that I can really put into words.

And yet, he's still in school alongside me, and all the other students that attend. And it's a small school, thus he will be visibly around.

... I'm suffering a really tough human rights/ethics/moral dilemma. A part of me really wants to push to have him expelled from the school until his punishment is laid down, and served. I'm not sure when the trial is, but I don't think it's for a while, and so he'll still be in school for a while coming. And... I really don't know if I want to have him around. I also know that if I and a few others push for it, the school will basically have to have him expelled or gain the reputation of housing a 'pedophile'.

But then... a part of me also wants him to stay if he likes, and do whatever he wants. Because, even though he did something illegal, I don't believe that he's a 'danger' to me, or anyone in the school for that matter. He has NEVER been anything less then a gentleman to people (albeit, he has been known to try too hard with girls on occasion... but that was just always dismissed as him not knowing any better because he's, well, a nerd/geek...). He has a right to go about his life as he chooses without being thwarted with persecution for making a mistake, granted a big one. ... But... we can say that he, himself, didn't hurt anyone... or can we?

Like... I'm a fag. I choose to be a fag. And if someone petitioned to have me thrown out of the school on that basis, I'd certainly make a lot of noise because it's not right. ... Is it not right to petition to have him thrown out?

... *Shrugs* ... I've always felt that I could accept anyone and the exclusion of someone for being different, or making a mistake such as that... well... I felt I could accept that. But now that it's here, in my face, ... I feel like going all nazi-esque and eliminating him from my school.

In the end... I think I'll just end up sitting back... and watching whatever happens to him happen... and feel ashamed for him, and feel ashamed for myself.





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Since: 12.3.02
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If I were you, I'd campaign to have the fucker thrown out of school.

You may choose to be gay and that's a choice--that's a lifestyle.

What he did was a crime. Big difference. He's not "Different," he is a CRIMINAL.

It's not being a Nazi or anything, it's being just. He's a danger to the community, and for owning kiddie porn he's well below scum-of-the-earth levels.

Some shit you don't and can't excuse and this is damn near top of my list.




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Since: 11.7.02
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If this motherfucker was in my school, he'd be lucky to make it out alive. That's shit that people of all stripes take VERY seriously and would feel no qualms about enacting vigilante justice for it.



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Since: 10.8.02
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. A lot of things in this world can be forgiven, but abusing kids is not one of them. I'm surprised this kid hasn't been put in custody for his own protection by now.

There's nothing "Nazi-esque" about wanting him out of your school, and I don't think you've got anything to feel unsure about. This bsatard deserves whatever he gets. It's people like that that make me hope there's an afterlife, because our justice system isn't set up to adequately deal with them.

Then again, the argument around here (Paul Bernardo is incarcerated within walking distance of my house) is usually that they should just let these people loose in the general prison population for an hour and turn off the cameras. That might be enough.

Back to your situation, though...public opinion is going to need to put a lot of pressure on your school. The school is probably wary of a lawsuit if this guy is found not guilty in court. If you want him out, you just have to make it uncomfortable for him to be there - and the fastest way to do that without risking charges being brought against you is to organize a very public boycott of classes. Get a bunch of people together, boycott everything school related, and tell every media outlet around what you're doing and why you're doing it. I've never known a school at any level that really listens to it's students, but I'll bet the community backlash to such such an action gets their attention quickly.
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Since: 7.4.02
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.36

    Originally posted by Ender
    So... this past Saturday, I found out through the grape vine that a sometimes friend of mine from back while we were still in High School, and who is now currently enrolled in the same Cegep as I, was arrested this past Friday for possession and distribution of kiddie porn;RUMOURED to be formally charged with possession and distribution of pornographic pictures depicting children under the age of 14, and a count of children under the age of 5.



If I may, Ender, just a question or two out of curiousity: You say that it's only a rumour that this man, who is sometimes your friend, has been charged with child pornography; since posting this item, have you determined if this rumour is in fact true? Have you asked this man directly for confirmation? Also, you seem from your post to be absolutely convinced that your friend is definitely guilty of these abominable crimes; could you explain why? I mean, is this activity something he engaged in during the sometimes that you were his friend? Or are there other reasons that have lead you to your conclusion that he is in fact guilty of this heinous crime, that you aren't even sure that he has been charged with?

I'm also curious as to the other responses I see in this thread. For example:
    Originally posted by Grimis
    If this motherfucker was in my school, he'd be lucky to make it out alive. That's shit that people of all stripes take VERY seriously and would feel no qualms about enacting vigilante justice for it.

Since Ender made it clear that it's only a rumour that these are in fact the charges that have been leveled, not to mention that there has not yet been any determination of guilt, I don't see how murder can be justified. Now, this is just my opinion, of course, but it seems to me it would be more prudent to, at the very least, first get your facts straight before suggesting such radical behavior. After all, if it turns out that the rumour was false, that this man was in fact charged with, say, some other crime that involves neither children nor pronography, do you have a plan to bring this innocent man you murdered back to life? Or what if it turns out that the rumour was wrong and it was in fact someone else who was charged with these despicable acts; then what? Or for that matter, what if the rumour that he was charged with these crimes are true, but he is later found to be innocent? Again, this is just my opinion, of course, but I think justice is better served by those who first take the time to get the facts, rather than those who would murder based on just a rumour.



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Since: 11.7.02
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I never endorsed anything...just said he would be in pain.



"Each time I've met Huffington, I wondered if she was not somehow the long-lost daughter of Madame Nicolai Ceaucescu, or a genetic cross between Martha Stewart and Count Dracula. Had this Greek-born harpy lived in medieval times, she would have been sewn up in a bag with a rooster and two snakes and thrown into the nearest river."
-- Eric Margolis, Toronto Star
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Innocent until proven guilty. It works here in the US, it should be OK to live by that in Canada.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Innocent until proven guilty. It works here in the US, it should be OK to live by that in Canada.
Hear hear.



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Since: 26.6.02
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"If I were you, I'd campaign to have the fucker thrown out of school"

"If this motherfucker was in my school, he'd be lucky to make it out alive. That's shit that people of all stripes take VERY seriously and would feel no qualms about enacting vigilante justice for it."

"Back to your situation, though...public opinion is going to need to put a lot of pressure on your school. The school is probably wary of a lawsuit if this guy is found not guilty in court. If you want him out, you just have to make it uncomfortable for him to be there - and the fastest way to do that without risking charges being brought against you is to organize a very public boycott of classes. Get a bunch of people together, boycott everything school related, and tell every media outlet around what you're doing and why you're doing it. I've never known a school at any level that really listens to it's students, but I'll bet the community backlash to such such an action gets their attention quickly."


All this based on a rumor? Talk about a witch hunt. I can be as Nazi-esque as the next guy but that's a little extreme. Let the guy be convicted of a crime. Also consider this:

Trojan horse found responsible for child porn



'But if one is struck by me only a little, that is far different, the stroke is a sharp thing and suddenly lays him lifeless, and that man's wife goes with cheeks torn in lamentation, and his children are fatherless, while he, staining the soil with his red blood, rots away, and there are more birds than women swarming about him.' Diomedes, The Iliad of Homer

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle
    I can be as Nazi-esque as the next guy but that's a little extreme.


Not pickin' on you, Bizzle, but this is golden .sig material.




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Bizzle Izzle is the voice of reason. I'd advise everyone to stock up on canned food, bottled water and handguns. :)



Ender
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Okay, to rephrase that... what I said was the actual CHARGES are rumerd to be that. But, he has in fact been arrested for possession and distribution as they found hard evidence on his hard drive.

Last night, I spoke to a close friend of his, who says he's maintaining his innocence. He claims that he could have gotten it due to keeping open a free server without a firewall or anything. I can see him totally doing that, but yet, you'd think he'd be aware when there's kiddie porn on his computer.

So, the charges themselves are the rumers. The arrest is a fact.

(Edit) But now that I know where he stands on it, and that he has a semi-plausable explanation, I do indeed plan to stick to his defense from now on until after the trial if he is, in fact, found guilty.

I heard rumers that the trial might actually be as soon as this Friday, but then I'm not really allowed to know that as I, or a friend of mine, are very likely to be called up as witnesses or whatever...

So, as of right now, I think my stance is this; think of him what you will, but if you actively push to have bad deeds done to him (such as kicking him from the school), I will fight along side him even though it means risking alienating myself with the rest of my school.

(Edit more) Also, yes, I do firmly believe that he's capable of such a thing, that's why I sound quite convinced in my first statement. But since I now know that he claims he didn't do it (contrary to what I was lead to believe), I shall believe him for now...

But could I see him doing it? Totally. Why? 'Cause he's always been sort of creepy around girls and whatnot. Nothing extreme, mind you, but just a little off... enough to lead me to think that sure, he probably does have some kinky thing going on inside that head of his. I just hoped it wouldn't be something like that... and yet...

Oddly enough, in my last Missing Art column, the guy whom I said I was hitting on who I didn't really like sober would be the same fellow here.

(Edit yet again) And for those who want to see the original article that was discovered, a copy of what was printed in the paper might be found here: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/article/3,722,0,082003,404059.shtml

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