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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.70
    Originally posted by Jonny_English
    Storm has twice the in-ring ability, promo ability and workrate of Lesnar. I would imagine Storm and the majority of his fans realise that it will take something pretty drastic for him to make the mid-card on Raw. However, give the guy something to care about, get him angry (I dunno, have him come out and lose every week until he snaps and gets all Bob Backlund or something)and I think he has the ability to get over. Certainly as over as Christian. Lets face it, as deserving as Benoit and Eddie are in terms of paying their dues, their in-ring work is no better than Storm's, and Benoit couldn't cut a promo to save his fucking life.

I'll take issue with a couple points here. First, I think you're underestimating Lesnar. He got REAL good in the ring real quick. He can get you with the power moves, the submission moves ("Brock Lock" or the "Stretch Muffler", whatever they're called). And I think his promo ability was really very good by the end of his run.

Storm DID have something to get angry at, last week. He got the mic and talked about dumping his "fan-friendly" Lance persona. He got the chance to sound angry, but he didn't- he was monotone as usual. He didn't even sound like he was excited to finally get away from that gimmick. Just business as usual. I don't think he has it on the mic, and to say "Benoit can't cut a promo to save his life" is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black. Benoit has been doing well in recent weeks (and months), even though he's no Foley.

Many people in baseball talk about "5-tool prospects", young guys that have it all, and should excel at the ML level. But if they flop, a lot of times scouts say it's because they don't have that sixth tool- baseball instinct. Storm is missing that sixth tool.

Besides, if Storm IS as good on the mic as you say he is, WWE would have no reason not to push him, would they?



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
    Originally posted by Jonny_English
    Storm has twice the in-ring ability, promo ability and workrate of Lesnar.


Oh please. Brock had great matches with Angle and Eddie and pulled pretty damned good ones out of Taker and Big Show (something that many others have failed to do). On top of that the guy looks uterly bad ass and absolutely oozed charisma as a heel. His promos may not have been legendary but he was steadily improving and almost always got a strong crowd reaction to his mic work.

Storm onthe other hand has all the charisma of a corpse. His wrestling ability is decent yet far from eye-catching and his mic work is among the most un-emotive and sleep inducing in the WWE. On top of he achieves crowd reactions which fluctuate between zero and bugger all.


    I would imagine Storm and the majority of his fans realise that it will take something pretty drastic for him to make the mid-card on Raw. However, give the guy something to care about, get him angry (I dunno, have him come out and lose every week until he snaps and gets all Bob Backlund or something)and I think he has the ability to get over. Certainly as over as Christian.


The Un-Americans couldn't get him over, Regal couldn't get him over, Goldust couldn't get him over, and Austin even failed to get the guy any prolonged heat. since coming to the WWE he hasn't been over, isn't over, and never will be over and if he remains in the mid-card he should be grateful for it.


    Lets face it, as deserving as Benoit and Eddie are in terms of paying their dues, their in-ring work is no better than Storm's, and Benoit couldn't cut a promo to save his fucking life.


Benoit's mic work may be cack but if you really think that Storm's half as entertaining to watch in the ring as he or Eddie then you must be tripping. Wrestling ability really doesn't matter a jot. I don't know if Lance is the toughest guy pound for pound in a shoot and I don't care. It's all about how well you can entertain the fans in the ring and Benoit and Eddie consistently manage that, even when they were kicking around the mid-card as Lance Storm is now.

Lance is a man of unprecedented blandness and has no place taking up my time in front of the TV.

That said he does have a point about Brock. I said at the time that the very least Brock should have been willing to do was hang around for a month to put over someone (Bradshaw, Booker whoever) before heading off to do the whole NFL thang.

On the other hand Vince would be absolutely right to take him back if he ever got the chance. He would be absolutely crazy over as a heel and there really aren't many people on the roster who can match his ability as a soprts entertainer at present.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Storm DID have something to get angry at, last week. He got the mic and talked about dumping his "fan-friendly" Lance persona. He got the chance to sound angry, but he didn't- he was monotone as usual. He didn't even sound like he was excited to finally get away from that gimmick. Just business as usual.


Exactly! See what you people don't understand is that he's SUPPOSED to act that way. THat IS his character, he's SUPPOSED to be business as usual. If you read anything on Lance's webpage you know that's not really him. He's acting, and the fact that everyone thinks he really is that way, means that HE IS doing a good acting job. I'm sure you all have friends who are mad or talking "smack" to someone and they cut their own little promo, and think they are bad, but they really suck. Not all people can talk the same way. You can't have every guy going around like the Rock with these catchphrases and tons of charisma, or like Stone Cold flipping off people. You have to have variety. It's not realistic for everyone to have the same talking abilities or styles. That's not to say Lance is like your friend who can't cut a promo, it's just that he's purposely a boring, bland guy to counteract the more flamboyant wrestlers. Lance Storm's character would be great if they would give him a serious push against a guy like the Rock who is a complete opposite character. And his facial expressions are right below Regal and Tajiri.

And he wasn't whining about Lesnar, just stating his opinion. Lance doesn't whine about stuff and walk out on companies like some people do.

Edit: Fixed the quote (missing ']') - Keeper

(edited by Keeper on 7.4.04 1615)

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.70
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by geemoney
      Storm DID have something to get angry at, last week. He got the mic and talked about dumping his "fan-friendly" Lance persona. He got the chance to sound angry, but he didn't- he was monotone as usual. He didn't even sound like he was excited to finally get away from that gimmick. Just business as usual.


    Exactly! See what you people don't understand is that he's SUPPOSED to act that way. THat IS his character, he's SUPPOSED to be business as usual. If you read anything on Lance's webpage you know that's not really him. He's acting, and the fact that everyone thinks he really is that way, means that HE IS doing a good acting job. I'm sure you all have friends who are mad or talking "smack" to someone and they cut their own little promo, and think they are bad, but they really suck. Not all people can talk the same way. You can't have every guy going around like the Rock with these catchphrases and tons of charisma, or like Stone Cold flipping off people. You have to have variety. It's not realistic for everyone to have the same talking abilities or styles. That's not to say Lance is like your friend who can't cut a promo, it's just that he's purposely a boring, bland guy to counteract the more flamboyant wrestlers. Lance Storm's character would be great if they would give him a serious push against a guy like the Rock who is a complete opposite character. And his facial expressions are right below Regal and Tajiri.

    And he wasn't whining about Lesnar, just stating his opinion. Lance doesn't whine about stuff and walk out on companies like some people do.

But don't you think that since this "character" is so obviously NOT over, he'd try to change?

Edit: Fixed the quote (missing ']' from the previous post) -Keeper

(edited by Keeper on 7.4.04 1616)

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And his facial expressions are right below Regal and Tajiri.


I'm glad someone mentioned this. Storm's facial expressions are priceless. Last week when Rhyno's entrance cut-off his "fed up" promo, and he looked shocked and annoyed and WTF?! He just rocked.

And his ring skills DO rule. The one good reason I can see for him to lose matches as much as he does is because he's one of the best sellers going.

I agree that Lance needs a new gimmick. All of you who are bemoaning his promo-cutting skills obviously never saw him in WCW with the cWo gimmick. He cut awesome promos and drew all kinds of heat. Lance needs something to be passionate about. The straight-laced character has to go. He needs to get all riled about something. Hopefully, they'll let him break something out on Heat for a little while, and then see how it flies on RAW. Shit, if Dinsmore can be a mental defective on RAW, I'm sure Lance could come up with something better than that if given the room to expand his character.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
Well, I have to agree with the pro-Lance guys on this. I stated that Storm's opinions on Brock were understandable because of whom they were coming from, I'm not sure if I agree overall(mostly because I'm indifferent to Brock either way). But I do think that Lance is talented and has some things down that a lot of people who DO get pushes don't have (namely talent). His character IS of a guy who doesn't really have a character..and I think he, well, plays that well. He plays along to being made fun of well, and he facial expressions are indeed fun. He's definitely comfortable looking on the mic, good in the ring, and I bet that if put in the position of Edge in 2002, with those type of opponents he could have spectacular matches. I've just always had a soft-spot for him. He is lacking something though... maybe size, or just the right gimmick. I'm not sure, but he certainly doesn't suck.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
The first time I saw Lance was as the newest member of the Triple Threat on ECW with Shane Douglass (The Franchise)
and Chris Candido (Mr. No Gimmick).

At the time I remember thinking, why is this guy part of the triple threat? What makes him so great that he warrants entrance into a select group.

While technically sound, and of decent physique, he seemed emotionless. That 6-tool that you can't put you're finger on is that he lacks that fire in his eyes. That power in his voice (montone).

I think the "boring", "if I could be serious for a second", ultimately backfired on him, as you can't help but associate the "boring chant" with lance storm.

As much as he's trying to show different emotions, it all looks the same to me.

To be honest, despite my misgivings he was built up pretty well in the ECW. And from what I've seen that was his peak. They gave him a hot valet, and his ability in the ring wasn't bad and they kept him quiet. Let Franchise and Candido do all the talking.

I've read his online readings. This guys a math and science whiz. Has an understanding of the business. A cerebral guy. Rather introverted except online. I'm not sure what they can do with him to get him over.

Maybe have someone slap him on the face 10 times. Yet I still don't think his face would change expression.
Mabye put a brown paper bag over his head or a mask on him.
Or not have him talk at all.
Lance is probably one of those guys who needs an extreme gimmick. In the 80's he probably would have been a Russian, in the 90's maybe Yokozuna's silent partner. Make him the Ninja or something and keep him away from the mic.
Or put some glasses on him and make him the Lawyer or the comp sci wrestler.






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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
Hmmm...He should wear a mask.....he should be a ninja.... Of course! The perfect gimmick has been there all along. Lance Storm should be...



Storm Shadow!



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.47
well count me as a storm trooper, i feel the wwe has dropped the ball with lance, i mean look at wcw lance, hell he was at one time the most over heel in the company holding three titles at the same time, i mean if one thing they did do right in their dying days was lance's push



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Nag
      I can't recall any match with him going back to SMW, and saying wow, he belongs up there with Benoit or HBK.
    So if a guy doesn't measure up to Benoit or HBK, he automatically sucks? Gimme a break.


I really hate when people on message boards do this. Putting words in my mouth; Either to make me look bad or them look good, I don't know.

I didn't say anywhere on my post the Storm sucks, nor did I say if your not Benoit or HBK you qualify for that label. I said, I DON'T FEEL HE BELONGS IN THE TOP TIER. Now there is only one major wrestling promotion in the U.S. am I not right? Two brands ,so what 6 to 8 main eventers caliber stars, which currently contains HBK/Benoit, and I will not contest the fact they are there. So in saying that he does not belong in top tier, I am saying he is not, in my opinion, the top 6 or 8 wrestlers in the U.S. Now your measuring stick may be shorter than mine, so if not being in the top 6 to 8 means that wrestler sucks, then indeed, Lance Storm sucks.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.08
Hmmm mind if I give this thread a nudge back to the original topic, or will my attempts be ignored?

Storm can criticize Lesnar if he wants. I like Storm, I like Lesnar. But I don't like what Lesnar did, and frankly I can understand the resentment. It makes sense, and considering Storm hasn't seen much of a push since the dying days of WCW, it makes more sense.

Lesnar was pushed... no rammed at the fans, and then he walked away? It makes me less inclined to buy into a return with a lot of enthusiasm. This is gonna be a mark that will follow Lesnar the rest of his career, if he ever gets back to wrestling.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    He's definitely comfortable looking on the mic, good in the ring, and I bet that if put in the position of Edge in 2002, with those type of opponents he could have spectacular matches. I've just always had a soft-spot for him. He is lacking something though... maybe size, or just the right gimmick. I'm not sure, but he certainly doesn't suck.


Oh but he does. They've tried him in numerous gimmicks and he's still been as sull as the proverbial dishwater. His in ring ability is decent, but unlike other guys he isn't able to get over based purely on his ring work.

Even when Team Angle were stuck in the mid-card on SD with little to no promo time they still got the crowd into things with some swanky moves, good facials, and good work on the ring apron. On the other hand when Storm wrestles, people snooze. His tag-team with Regal, one of the best mic workers around, was still utterly, utterly boring. They struggled to even get foreign flag waving cheap heat.

Unlike some of the young guys who are being pushed now he even had a ready made fan base from his WCW days when he came to the WWE and he STILL couldn't get over. The bets they could hope to do with him is try to turn him into some sort of mid card submission expert who'd lose the odd mini feud here and there to elevate younger guys that have a chance of achieving something in the business in the future.

I take nothing away from his technical ability, but that counts for absolutely diddly if you can't use that to get the crowd to care about you.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
    Originally posted by ced64
    well count me as a storm trooper, i feel the wwe has dropped the ball with lance, i mean look at wcw lance, hell he was at one time the most over heel in the company holding three titles at the same time, i mean if one thing they did do right in their dying days was lance's push
Spoken like a guy who wasn't watching Nitro at the time. But that's okay...nobody else was, either.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by ced64
      well count me as a storm trooper, i feel the wwe has dropped the ball with lance, i mean look at wcw lance, hell he was at one time the most over heel in the company holding three titles at the same time, i mean if one thing they did do right in their dying days was lance's push
    Spoken like a guy who wasn't watching Nitro at the time. But that's okay...nobody else was, either.


If nobody was watching Nitro, then that means everybody had equal amount of heat, meaning he was the most over heel in the company!



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I think I have a solution as to why storm is not as popular on WWE.

Posted on stormwrestling.com
Contrary to popular belief, I am not on steroids, nor have I ever been. The angle I did with Candito, and Dreamer, when I claimed to be the best built professional athlete, this side of a negative drug test was a shoot, as least as far as the negative drug test part. If you plan on using steroids my way of training won't be for you, for everyone else let me say avoiding steroids is a wise decision, steroids only provide very short term results, and they come with a very high price, not the least of which being inevitable injuries.


So..if he took steroids and become as big as brock did maybe he could get a much needed push and then ditch the company that made him..thats cool...i guess in WWE in ring ability or mic skills dunt matter if ur big a.k.a matt morgan, A-train.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
It didn't work for Billy Kidman, now did it.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
Oh man, WHEN WILL THE MONSTROUS A-TRAIN AND MATT MORGAN PUSHES END??? I think I almost saw A-Train on Raw last week, they're overpushing him! They're overpushing Matt Morgan so much that they sent him back to OVW!

Lance isn't gonna get pushed because Lance doesn't possess the ability to get over a character the way the WWE wants him to. He really can't do the overstated, larger-than-life characters that the WWE is going to push every time. It also doesn't help that his loose work doesn't fit well into the WWE style.

And A-Train is currently a better worker than Lance.





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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Underwater
    Oh man, WHEN WILL THE MONSTROUS A-TRAIN AND MATT MORGAN PUSHES END??? I think I almost saw A-Train on Raw last week, they're overpushing him! They're overpushing Matt Morgan so much that they sent him back to OVW!

    Lance isn't gonna get pushed because Lance doesn't possess the ability to get over a character the way the WWE wants him to. He really can't do the overstated, larger-than-life characters that the WWE is going to push every time. It also doesn't help that his loose work doesn't fit well into the WWE style.

    And A-Train is currently a better worker than Lance.




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