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#21 Posted on
All your arguments are based on conjecture. An autograph signing from a star who has been out of the limelight for a while and who didn't do autograph signings while he was in the limelight doesn't mean he'll draw ratings. Sorry, it just doesn't. And Austin didn't suck early this year. He was not any worse than he was before. It's just that the shit got old.

The first blow to Austin's drawing power came after his heel turn. He was great in the role, but people didn't want to boo him. It'd be like turning Hogan heel in 1991, even though it wouldn't be his drawing peak that doesn't mean the fans would have accepted it. Numbers fell significantly during Austin's heel run. He never recovered. He isn't innovative in the ring at all. He never was. He's not inventive in terms of character now that we're over that first shock of the cursing. Cursing some more won't be as shocking and he has shown little evolution other than "what" since that 1996 KOTR promo that started it all.

Sorry, but "motivation" is an intangible thing that publically-traded companies can't pin their futures to. Anything that the WWE personel can't hold in their hands in regards to this guy should not be used in making a decision on him. Sorry, Feul, but the locker room climate is shit right now. Unless this guy is Tony Robbins he won't be "motivated" for long. I'm not saying he should job in the same way Hogan did, in that he should lose to pretty much everyone, but he should have major feuds with guys and lose the blowoff matches clean. If he has three PPV matches with Brock in a row, let him with the first two for all I care, but his ass better lose clean on that final match and big time. And no, he won't put anyone over. He hasn't put anyone over who wasn't Triple H since 1996. Go here where I proved it:
http://wienerville.slashwrestling.com/thread.php?id=7986#97036

On top of this he beat his wife. You may think that shouldn't be relevant but it's idiotic to say it isn't. There's a lockerroom code, and he broke it by beating his wife, for one. Two, it suggests an instability that works against him on all levels. Three he's going to be a lightning rod for bad publicity. The only thing the press media covers in regards to wrestling these days is how the numbers are falling. That Chuck/Billy shit hurt the WWE's rep. Now the press will cover them even less. But when a convicted wife-beater returns to a prominent role as a motherfucking fan favorite, the press will be suggesting the WWE is a company run by spineless pieces of shit. And they'll be right. I'm no priest, and I don't think Austin should be outcast from WWE for beating a woman, (especially since there's a ton of better reasons he should be) but I do have a problem with taking that wife-beater and making him a hero to children on TV, a champion in your sport and a representative of the business as a whole. The last thing WWE needs right now is more people saying it has no moral value.

Also, saying Austin holding down talent is better than Triple H doing is like saying I'd rather be shot in the stomach than shot in the back. Boring TV is boring TV.

Hell, I dislike Austin for being a pussy. When people pay money to see you, be there. Fuck your drinking problems, fuck the fact you beat women, fuck your demons, and fuck you. Show the hell up when you sign a contract that says you will, you fucking pussy. If the contract is worded to say "..and will fulfill obligations until party does not like the storylines" then he's fine. But he breaches contract, an illegal act, and then screws the fans. And make no mistake, the fans made this guy's ass. They got behind him. They made him rich as a motherfucker and he can't show up to the show's he's advertised on because he doesn't like creative direction? Grow the fuck up. He owes them. Vince wasn't going to feature this guy in main events. He was never branded a star. The company wasn't even making t-shirts of him in 1996, even though they had them for Mark Henry and Marc Mero and Mankind. He was never going to be main event. People made him all that, and he can't do the one thing they expect of him which is, for 8 minutes work for money most people will never see, hit the same fucking moves he's hit for four years, and go home afterward. That's all he had to do. Well fuck him. He should have grown up and did his fucking job like an adult, like every man and woman who does not have the benefit of millions of people securing the rest of their lives because they curse.

I wish Austin, Russo, and Triple H would go on an island together with no women to see who gets pounded in the ass first.

If Steve wants to be a team player, congrats. But he should have to prove something to the company before he is placed in a position to dick with their fanbase again. I hope they realize that if this fuck hightails it just one more time without warning, he could cause even more harm to the company than another 12 month Kevin Nash title reign.






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"Um, yeah. So you’re telling me all Torrie had to do to save us this crappy TV is please the cheese? Christ…If that’s all it took - I’d eat out LINDA McMAHON to save myself this garbage TV - Hell I’d toss Vince’s salad after a visit from Pat Patterson - uh - maybe not."
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#22 Posted on
OK Im jumping in...


#1 You cannot say whether or how much Austin will draw. I personally think that Austin will bring interest back to WWE. Lots of it, good and bad. The fans will tune in when he returns and if the shows are booked and written correctly, those fans will stay. Attendance and ratings will go up. But then again they could do that without him, they have the tools, but with Stone Cold is better than without him.


#2 90% percent of people arent going to care about whatever happened between Austin and Deborah. Some fans will react against him, but I guarantee the cheers (and the WHATs) will drown out the boos. People forgive and forget. And people dont really give a shit about a celebritys personal life, as long as he or she is performing well. We see it time and time again with celebrities and their fuckups. Look at Hugh Grant. Look at Winona Ryder. Look at OJ Simpson. All of them shoudve been buried with their personal fuckups yet all three of them get just as much support as they do hate.


#3 I refuse to try to debate who Austin has or hasnt put over. I look at it this way, I go by the Mick Foley theory. A guy doesnt have to win a fued to be elevated by that fued. But he can come out of the fued looking better and being more over. So as I look back on Most of Austins fueds over the years, did his opponents come out of the fued looking good or being more over. I think so (Rock, HHH, Foley, Angle) and I think even if Eddie hadnt gone over Austin in that fued he wouldve looked better.


#4 I hate it when when people try to speak for the WWE locker room. WE have no idea how the other WWE wrestlers feel about Austin. Nor do we know if there is some kind of "code" that was broken by him. We just dont. They could all love him, they could all privately admire what he did by walking out in protest. Publicly theyll go with the company line but we really cant say how they feel about him or what they will say to him when he comes back,Or how hell be received.


#5 Last, the REAL reason for Austins walkout is still unknown. And itll probably never be known by us here in IWCland.We dont really know if he was supposed to job to Brock Lesnar, or if he was asked to job how he felt about it. We cant say thats the sole reason he walked or that he was just screwing the fans. Theres too much we dont know. If I had to speculate on something, Id say that Austin biggest reason for walking was Bischoff. If Austin hates Bischoff as much as has been reported then I believe that when Vince told Austin that he was bringing Bischoff in that was the last straw for Steve. I think he gave Vince a "me or him" ultimatum, Vince Balked and Austin walked. But thats just me, you believe your truth and Ill believe mine....




(edited by rockdotcom_2.0 on 22.12.02 1045)


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    There's a lockerroom code, and he broke it by beating his wife, for one.


These are professional wrestlers we're talking about.

To suggest a bunch of juiced-up musclebound egomaniacs have some kind of "code" when it comes to the treatment of women is laughable.
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Since: 29.10.02
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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    I'm absolutely astonished. Truly. All I see is people constantly shitting on Austin "Because he sucked earlier in the year".

    I remember the Austin of 2001 tearing it up in the ring. I remember him having great matches and great backstage segments. Now we're supposed to hate him because he couldn't carry an unmotivated Scott Hall? We're supposed to hate him because he walked out on a shitty business decision?

    I can understand people hating him for hitting his wife. Say that instead.

    And the reason of the Austin-Guerrero feud was to build up to a Austin-Benoit feud, BTW. And if you want someone to blame for Austin being put over, look at the McMahons and Brian Gerwitz. After all, they booked the damn things.



It's about friggin' time that somebody said this. I do recall Austin being the MAN in 2001, and you can easily use motivation and booking as a reason for his downfall in 2002, not his "crappy workrate". Austin is, by far, not broken down and crippled yet, as in a few other talents, and he will certainly bring attention back to the product. I don't give a rat's ass what any of you haters say, Austin made it interesting when he was around, and he will again. WHAT?? WHAT?? WHAT?? He's comin' back - deal with it.

BY THE WAY, just like with the rest of the entire Austin story, we know NOTHING about what really happened between him and Debra. All we hear are reports, but we weren't there. I'm not gonna condemn a man to death if I don't know the whole story.
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#25 Posted on
Jesus, you guys are hypocrites. Seriously. It's okay to denigrate a man and even wish injury on him for doing what many do to stay at the top of his chosen profession, but as soon as it's someone you LIKE that screws up, well then geez, we don't know all the facts and we'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. I couldn't care less what transpired between Austin and Debra. I care that Austin was sluggish, boring, unmotivated and PLAYED at the start of this year. And as I've said before, unless he totally changes his gimmick, I have no desire to see kick-ass Stun-everything face Austin back at ALL. And you are incredibly naive if you think the man isn't as political as any main-eventer; spouting "we don't know what happened" is no excuse, as most of you take what's said on the web about HHH as gospel. (Oh, and before anybody uses my mentioning of HHH as an excuse to discard my opinions, don't bother; the man bores me to death and the sooner the men with th pen realise his negatives, the better.)

Listen. I would have no problem whatsoever with you guys coming on here and saying "I want Austin back because I mark out for him" or "I just like him, is all". Instead, you have to try and justify everything using stupid reasoning, flawed logic and horrendous double standards. You want Austin back coz you're a fan? Admit it, instead of acting like a mine of little-known information or using a holier-than-thou "who are we to judge?" line. Oh, and FurryHippie, see my earlier post in reply to yours-I guess it just slipped your line of vision.

End of rant.
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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    All your arguments are based on conjecture. An autograph signing from a star who has been out of the limelight for a while and who didn't do autograph signings while he was in the limelight doesn't mean he'll draw ratings. Sorry, it just doesn't.


Who says he didn't do autograph signings? He did one when I bought my Smackdown tickets a couple years ago.

I'm looking forward to Austin's return. I don't approve of what happened between he and Debra, but damn, it's still none of my business.

Austin was all kinds of awesome in 2001, and I think he could be awesome again.



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#27 Posted on
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Jesus, you guys are hypocrites. Seriously. It's okay to denigrate a man and even wish injury on him for doing what many do to stay at the top of his chosen profession, but as soon as it's someone you LIKE that screws up, well then geez, we don't know all the facts and we'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. I couldn't care less what transpired between Austin and Debra. I care that Austin was sluggish, boring, unmotivated and PLAYED at the start of this year. And as I've said before, unless he totally changes his gimmick, I have no desire to see kick-ass Stun-everything face Austin back at ALL. And you are incredibly naive if you think the man isn't as political as any main-eventer; spouting "we don't know what happened" is no excuse, as most of you take what's said on the web about HHH as gospel. (Oh, and before anybody uses my mentioning of HHH as an excuse to discard my opinions, don't bother; the man bores me to death and the sooner the men with th pen realise his negatives, the better.)

    Listen. I would have no problem whatsoever with you guys coming on here and saying "I want Austin back because I mark out for him" or "I just like him, is all". Instead, you have to try and justify everything using stupid reasoning, flawed logic and horrendous double standards. You want Austin back coz you're a fan? Admit it, instead of acting like a mine of little-known information or using a holier-than-thou "who are we to judge?" line. Oh, and FurryHippie, see my earlier post in reply to yours-I guess it just slipped your line of vision.

    End of rant.



I've only made one post on this subject, and this was your only reply...so I'm not sure what you mean by this....your other post in this thread doesn't sound like something I was pointing at...anyway...

Just one thing: Don't bring HHH in as a point to prove our hypocrisy. Personally, I like Triple H, and I also want to see Austin back. So you're trying to make a point under the assumption I hate HHH, and believe everything on the net that condemns him. I would be a hypocrite if I BELIEVED all of that and STILL used the ol' "we don't know what the story is with Austin" line. It doesn't really work out that way.

The only reason people are using the "we don't know Austin's story, so I won't condemn him for it" is because people are using the "wifebeater" line to DISCREDIT his return. We're simply trying to state that you shouldn't use his personal life as a reason to bitch about his return.

So in the end, aren't we both arguing the same point?

(edited by FurryHippie on 22.12.02 1406)
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#28 Posted on
My reply wasn't so much a direct attack on you, FurryHippie; your name got mentioned because I had posted a reply to the post you quoted which has pretty much gone ignored. I am simply sick and tired of listening to people (you know who you are) crowing about Austin's return and yet bashing those currently at the top. They're both of the same ilk; just because people happen to like Austin, he gets fairer treatment. It's double standards, plain and simple, especially considering that many folks here treat their opinion as the be-all-end-all of knowledge as it pertains to WWE.
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#29 Posted on
With Austin on top, the WWF became a billion dollar company that gained a monopoly on the wrestling industry. That's the reason I cut him some slack for his politics. He got his political power through his work and all the money he made for countless people in that company.

With Triple H on top, RAW has experienced the most drastic ratings decline in the history of the program. Why does he have political power? Because he's banging the bosses daughter.

They're not both of the same ilk, IMO.
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#30 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    All your arguments are based on conjecture. An autograph signing from a star who has been out of the limelight for a while and who didn't do autograph signings while he was in the limelight doesn't mean he'll draw ratings. Sorry, it just doesn't. And Austin didn't suck early this year. He was not any worse than he was before. It's just that the shit got old.

    The first blow to Austin's drawing power came after his heel turn. He was great in the role, but people didn't want to boo him. It'd be like turning Hogan heel in 1991, even though it wouldn't be his drawing peak that doesn't mean the fans would have accepted it. Numbers fell significantly during Austin's heel run. He never recovered. He isn't innovative in the ring at all. He never was. He's not inventive in terms of character now that we're over that first shock of the cursing. Cursing some more won't be as shocking and he has shown little evolution other than "what" since that 1996 KOTR promo that started it all.

    Sorry, but "motivation" is an intangible thing that publically-traded companies can't pin their futures to. Anything that the WWE personel can't hold in their hands in regards to this guy should not be used in making a decision on him. Sorry, Feul, but the locker room climate is shit right now. Unless this guy is Tony Robbins he won't be "motivated" for long. I'm not saying he should job in the same way Hogan did, in that he should lose to pretty much everyone, but he should have major feuds with guys and lose the blowoff matches clean. If he has three PPV matches with Brock in a row, let him with the first two for all I care, but his ass better lose clean on that final match and big time. And no, he won't put anyone over. He hasn't put anyone over who wasn't Triple H since 1996. Go here where I proved it:
    http://wienerville.slashwrestling.com/thread.php?id=7986#97036

    On top of this he beat his wife. You may think that shouldn't be relevant but it's idiotic to say it isn't. There's a lockerroom code, and he broke it by beating his wife, for one. Two, it suggests an instability that works against him on all levels. Three he's going to be a lightning rod for bad publicity. The only thing the press media covers in regards to wrestling these days is how the numbers are falling. That Chuck/Billy shit hurt the WWE's rep. Now the press will cover them even less. But when a convicted wife-beater returns to a prominent role as a motherfucking fan favorite, the press will be suggesting the WWE is a company run by spineless pieces of shit. And they'll be right. I'm no priest, and I don't think Austin should be outcast from WWE for beating a woman, (especially since there's a ton of better reasons he should be) but I do have a problem with taking that wife-beater and making him a hero to children on TV, a champion in your sport and a representative of the business as a whole. The last thing WWE needs right now is more people saying it has no moral value.

    Also, saying Austin holding down talent is better than Triple H doing is like saying I'd rather be shot in the stomach than shot in the back. Boring TV is boring TV.

    Hell, I dislike Austin for being a pussy. When people pay money to see you, be there. Fuck your drinking problems, fuck the fact you beat women, fuck your demons, and fuck you. Show the hell up when you sign a contract that says you will, you fucking pussy. If the contract is worded to say "..and will fulfill obligations until party does not like the storylines" then he's fine. But he breaches contract, an illegal act, and then screws the fans. And make no mistake, the fans made this guy's ass. They got behind him. They made him rich as a motherfucker and he can't show up to the show's he's advertised on because he doesn't like creative direction? Grow the fuck up. He owes them. Vince wasn't going to feature this guy in main events. He was never branded a star. The company wasn't even making t-shirts of him in 1996, even though they had them for Mark Henry and Marc Mero and Mankind. He was never going to be main event. People made him all that, and he can't do the one thing they expect of him which is, for 8 minutes work for money most people will never see, hit the same fucking moves he's hit for four years, and go home afterward. That's all he had to do. Well fuck him. He should have grown up and did his fucking job like an adult, like every man and woman who does not have the benefit of millions of people securing the rest of their lives because they curse.

    I wish Austin, Russo, and Triple H would go on an island together with no women to see who gets pounded in the ass first.

    If Steve wants to be a team player, congrats. But he should have to prove something to the company before he is placed in a position to dick with their fanbase again. I hope they realize that if this fuck hightails it just one more time without warning, he could cause even more harm to the company than another 12 month Kevin Nash title reign.





Please say "fuck" a few more times, I don't quite agree with you yet.


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#31 Posted on
I enjoyed Austin until he walked out. I thought his matches were always great and very entertaining. Even during the "What" stuff, which was brilliant. I'm very much looking forward to his return.

Whatever problems he's had in his personal life (Personal meaning none of our business), I hope he's dealt with and I hope him and Debra have worked it out.

The only thing that sucks about his return is that this board is going to suck all kinds of ass when he DOES come back.

Maybe the moderators should start a new "HHH/Austin Bashing" forum so every damn thread on the board doesn't end up like this one...

And what's this crap about a locker room code? I'm SO SURE that every other wrestler in the WWE is a friggin' saint and now Austin can't be in the club anymore? Puh-lease!!

Some of you people should try being fans again.



That's it... and that's ALL.
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Since: 8.6.02
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#32 Posted on
I said fuck that many times because it made perfect sense to do so. Austin made a name for himself by swearing on a show where no one used to swear.

I take nothing away from what he accomplished. But what went down with Austin on top, despite the numbers that were garnered, is in the past. Saying that because he was a big star means he will be again is like saying if Gone With the Wind was released today between Harry Potter and LOTR it would be just as successful. A lot has changed since 1997 when the wrestling quality was a lot lower than what it is today.

If you don't believe there's a lockerroom code, I have no beef with you. You're just wrong. If there's no locker room code we wouldn't have ribbing, we wouldn't have fights on planes, we wouldn't have politics, and we wouldn't have any of the things we, as the IWC, base our opinions on. Buy Meltzer's rag or the Torch, these are people who are almost always right and have credibility. I base most of my opinions on them. There was a situation where a wrestler who liked to pill and rape women was tied up in the shower and threatened with sodomy. This is a fact. I'm sorry, Meltzer and the Observer ppl, or the Torch people aren't going to make something like that up.

I never liked Austin as a performer. But I give him his due for what he did. However no one has said anything about my point that he fucked over the people who made him what he is. He's an ass for that reason alone. I don't care what his problem is. Unless he's going to die in the ring, there's no excuse for running out on the people who made you what you are. I'm sorry, but just grow up. You don't walk out on your job like a twelve-year-old boy. Not when people are counting on you. If not for us, Austin would be out getting a real job where his boss wouldn't care who he beat or what demon he had. Instead, he's got it made. As much as Vince is credited for "making" stars, if the fans don't accept these characters then nothing is made. See Luger, Lex, or Diesel, Big Daddy Cool. Wrestling fans are wrestling. It's not Austin, or Hogan, or the Rock, or Owen Hart or Brian Pillman or Andre or Thesz or Gotch or McMahon or Mando Guerrero or Flair or anyone else. None of those guys would mean a thing to this little world if we didn't remember them The WWE didn't put WCW out of business. We did. We're the ones who stopped watching it.

Austin is an ingrate for fucking over the fans. And he should job while he's still in his prime, because GASP, maybe that would be more effective than him jobbing three years from now when the whole free world knows he's half of what he was. Even Hogan has a high-profile clean job in his prime, to the Warrior. Rock has several. Austin has none. The reason I hated Austin so much during his hot run was because I knew how every match would end. It was not all that different than Hogan's matches. Just substitute kick, wham, stunner for punch, boot, legdrop. He always wins. And what's worse, even at the peak of his babyfacedom, Hogan would lose a visionary fall to the heels. He'd get pinned with the ref down. Then he'd come back and win. Austin wouldn't even do that.

If you like seeing one guy beat up thirty others at once, thirty others with good necks, fine. Get in a time machine and get the fuck out of my face. Hogan had his time. Bret had his time. Austin had his time. Now it's over. You can't go home again. It has to be new. People aren't turning off Triple H because they think he sucks. It's because they've seen him do the same thing for years. We've seen Austin's shtick for years. We've seen Hogan's for years. Even Rock's last return didn't mean shit. None of these guys have a chance of sustaining new, solid business for years at a time without a new superstar to play off. Austin on top is old. It's been done. No one here has raised a single intelligent point that disproves, in terms of postulation, at least, since none of us have a crystal ball, why Austin on top is going to draw as well as 1998, or 1999. Why are people going to watch that and think; hey, this is different? And why is it okay to bite the fans when they made you? Sure, Debra's beating is not my business. But him no-showing events I pay to attend, well, that's damn sure my business.





(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 23.12.02 0327)


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"Um, yeah. So you’re telling me all Torrie had to do to save us this crappy TV is please the cheese? Christ…If that’s all it took - I’d eat out LINDA McMAHON to save myself this garbage TV - Hell I’d toss Vince’s salad after a visit from Pat Patterson - uh - maybe not."
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#33 Posted on

He's gonna comeback eventually. The facts that he walked out and beat his wife and all that other stuff won't matter to most people when they hear that glass break. He's not the first and he won't be the last wrestler to go crazy.

Personally, I think the man just got burned out and he needed to take time off. He may have done some really stupid things but it is an ugly part of the bizness. How tough is it to work a WWE superstar's schedule? Not to mention being one of the top stars.

Sooner or later he is gonna comeback, might as well enjoy the ride. So yeah, when he does, I'll watch, but I don't expect to see him kicking everyone's ass like he used to. Hopefully he'll play ball and pass the torch. I'm expecting a Hogan-like run. Where he'll be unhappy again but at least it would be better for business.



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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    "And I'm really looking forward to the New Year. As Vince McMahon has said publicly, we expect to see the return of The Rock, and we certainly also HOPE to see the return of Stone Cold, in the early part of 2003. There certainly are NO FIRM DATES ETCHED IN STONE. But it's our HOPE and BELIEF that we'll have those two back with us at some point in the early part of next year. One would assume that if that were to occur, they'd be involved in the march to what we hope to be a hugely successful WrestleMania."

    They HOPE to have Stone Cold, nowhere does it say they will actually get him. Of course they HOPE to have him, their ratings are down the crapper. Pretty spineless of WWE to let him back now that they need him.

    And "wreak" was spelled right, but "havok" is spelled "havoc"



We've seen plenty of times when this sort of Jim Ross vagary was absolutely true.

Remember when, for months and months, he repeatedly said "No talks have been had with Hogan, Hall or Nash, despite 'sources say' Internet rumors."

Remember when, for months and months, he repeatedly said "Steiner won't talk to us" and then POW Steiner is signed.

This is Ross' way of tipping off the Internet speculators, creating an instant buzz without mentioning the return on TV, then judging the reaction.

Translation: you WILL see Stone Cold Steve Austin in the Royal Rumble.




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#35 Posted on

    Originally posted by mountinman44
    It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Stone Cold has to be back for the Rumble. He won't win it, but the WWF needs the man back. .

    (edited by mountinman44 on 20.12.02 1439)



I bet he does win it....and therefore win a shot at the title on which every show he's on.

Why bring him back and not put him in the top spot at WM?



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Since: 2.1.02
From: Seattle, Washington

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#36 Posted on
My $.02, and my opinion only:

Awesome one year, not the next

1) Austin WAS awesome in 2001. Great interviews, enjoyable matches, and just all-around fun to watch. In 2002? After the Rumble it went downhill, starting with the nWo feud. Austin at the Rumble and right after the Rumble was fun. Austin feuding with Jericho (WHAM!) was fun. Right afterward, things went to hell. Funny, I would've thought the nWo poison wouldn't affect a Rattlesnake, but there you go.

He feuded with the nWo, then feuded with the Big Show, then feuded with a worn-down Flair. Then things perked up when he got into the feud with Eddy and Benoit, but it still had the specter of the Flair feud looming over it. So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of...

Hypocrisy and Triple H

2) Why give Austin the benefit of the doubt, and not Triple H, who also came back after a long period off and ended up being much worse than before and reviled by everybody? Personally, I *did* give him the benefit of the doubt. I gave him months and months to get back into the swing of things and shake off the ring rust - let's face it, a torn quad isn't something you just recover from and then go back to full speed. But not only is HHH wrestling at half-speed, his actual in-ring matches have deteriorated. Look at the match he had with TAKA in 2000 - even though everybody knew TAKA had no chance, when TAKA got a chance and covered HHH, there was that brief second of doubt where you thought TAKA could somehow pull it off. Look at his match with Jeff Hardy a few weeks ago - no offense for Jeff whatsoever, and at NO point in the match was it in doubt.

Enough of bitching about HHH, this is about Austin, and basically showing of why I'd give him at least a chance if he came back. He's been awesome before, and unless he somehow got hurt or was totally unmotivated, I think he could do it again given the opportunity and the right set of circumstances.

Why?

3) This is, of course, assuming he comes back, and that requires the WWE to either forgive him for walking out on them, or figure it's not that big enough of a deal. The question still remains of why he walked out. We've heard what the WWE's said, we've heard what the Internet reports said (that he was hard to deal with and didn't want to lose to Brock) but have we heard ANYTHING from Austin? Has Austin himself stated why he left? Let's face it, the WWE's done all the conjecture it could to try to figure it out, but nobody knows why Austin left but Austin himself.

As far as Austin's actions regarding Debra, I won't defend those whatsoever, just like I'm not defending Austin walking out - but again, we don't know the whole story either, just what's been reported. Nothing from Debra officially besides the police report, and nothing from Austin.

Was Austin right? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's hard to say without all the facts. My opinion is that both sides are right and both sides are wrong, in different ways. It's one of those things that happens when egos collide.

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Okay, enough of that, let's assume Austin comes back for the Rumble - who says he has to win it? Just because he didn't want to lose to Brock, who says he'll demand to be the top star? Let's look at the projected loss to Lesnar. At that time, Brock wasn't a big star, not even to the push level of Goldberg at that point - he hadn't even won KOTR yet to establish himself. And yet, the WWE was going to throw out Lesnar v. Austin, a match that could make them a ton of money down the line, as a throwaway match on Raw just to qualify for a tournament that Austin had already won and didn't need, and that Lesnar needed to win if he was entered in it, in order to be in position to be a top star. Isn't that the kind of thing people crucified WCW for when they blew Hogan v. Goldberg on a Nitro with exactly one week of buildup? Who says Austin wouldn't have agreed to put over Lesnar on, say, a pay-per-view? Who says Austin would have a problem doing the Hogan job to him - Lesnar kicks out of the Stunner, slaughters Austin and wipes his blood on his chest. (I also think Hogan losing to Brock on a SmackDown with no real buildup was a mistake as well, but it seems to have worked out okay). Austin puts over Brock, everybody's happy.

This has started to ramble a bit, so I'll sum it up - if Austin comes back and is willing to do business, as they say, more power to him. I'm willing to give him another chance if it'll help the promotion. If not, he can stay home and count his millions.

Mike



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Mandark
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Since: 20.9.02

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#37 Posted on
Hogan's My Dad: Okay, if you had bought a ticket to that event, and did it to see Austin, you deserve your money back for him no-showing that event.

But for the vast majority of the millions of WWE fans out there, the Raw he no-showed was essentially a free TV event, unless they had gotten cable installed just that night so they could see Austin.

In fact, Austin, besides showing up to work countless house shows, and showing up to work dozens and dozens of PPV's, had contributed to hundreds of hours of free TV, entertainment that millions of people got without investing a dime. Pretty much crippling himself in the process, and still bumping and doing his best even after his body was broken down.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about the fans being the only ones who matter in wrestling, how the wrestlers are somehow eternally beholden to the fans to show up at every show whatever their mental state or work conditions, while the fans have not a shred of obligation to be loyal whatsoever.

Austin should have given his two weeks notice, walking out the day you're meant to show up at an event is pretty shitty. And yeah, he's mostly been booked above everyone else, just like Rocky, Taker, and HHH. But he has done his fair share of jobs, and gave a visual pinfall in practically every match he had as a heel (you mention Hogan doing that as a face, but I can't remember him ever doing that in the red and yellow). He's also pulled his share of strings backstage (refusing to work with JJ, not jobbing to Lesnar with no build-up, not jobbing to Hall because Hall might get let go because of personal troubles [hard to fault him on that in retrospect), and I'm afraid of midcarders who felt they suffered from it eventually pulling their own strings later on, just how Hogan/Flair/Bischoff affected Austin, and the Ultimate Warrior affected HHH. Still, Austin did suggest feuds with Mick Foley and Eddie Guerrero with himself when he was clearly above them on the ladder, and that gives me a bit of a soft spot for him.

The reason I want Austin back is that even though he seems to be much better as a heel than a face (not sure how much that has to do with his opponents), he would still be one of the best face wrestlers on the roster, behind Rey, Benoit, and maybe Booker. He can put on great matches, I'd rather hear him talk than 90% of the roster, and he draws so much face heat, that it helps rub off on the heels.

Why do I think Austin would be over and a draw if he came back? Because I can't remember a single time where WWE was pushing him as a face, and the crowd started to cheer for the heel. This happened to Hogan, Bret Hart, and the Rock, but I can't remember it happening for Austin. Yeah, I can't "prove" he'll be popular, it's something that is inherently unproveable. But the crowd never showed signs of abandoning him, and I can't believe the new batch of main eventers will benefit from being treated like the guys who became stars because the real stars retired, walked out, or started making movies.

WWE was smart enough to have Rocky job clean to Lesnar after lots of build-up, I don't see any reason they wouldn't have Austin do the same, or that Austin would refuse.
miknight
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Since: 22.10.02
From: Oztraya

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#38 Posted on
As someone who NEVER liked Austin (which i won't get into for your sake) i'll say this much, his stint with Angle and McMahon was the most unbridled success foray into comedy the WWE has ever done. his mic work and skit work were the best at the time (along with Angle) and made the show something not to miss.

I was never much a fan of his matches due to his bland move set, however at the time i found his mat psychology made up for this.

i only judge what i see, and if he can match this effort, (not duplicate it) then i'll happily accept him back, despite my aforementioned hatred of him.

However, if he pulls off another one-sided fued which doesn't elevate both parties, then i'll still watch. but i'll get a samitch when he invades my screen



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Since: 1.2.02
From: Brooklyn NY

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by Mike Sweetser
    As far as Austin's actions regarding Debra ....
    Was Austin right? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's hard to say without all the facts. My opinion is that both sides are right and both sides are wrong, in different ways. It's one of those things that happens when egos collide.



(sorry, but I just can't let this go without comment ...)

So the question you're asking is, was Austin "right" to belt Debra?

I'm still waiting patiently for someone to put forth a plausible scenario that might excuse a man of Steve Austin's size hitting a woman.

You say you don't have "all the facts"? The only set of facts you need to know are these:

One, Steve Austin was arrested by authorities and charged with spousal abuse -- the physical kind.

and Two, Steve Austin pled guilty to those charges, which means that in court he admitted to doing exactly what his wife said he did, which was smack her in the head a few times.

Just one of those things that happens "when egos collide"?

The only "collision" that matters was the one that happened between Austin's fist and Debra's jaw. And no amount of explaining is gonna make that "right".

(Ok, now you can go back to talking about workrates and buyrates and whatever the hell else ...)
fuelinjected
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Since: 12.10.02
From: Canada

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#40 Posted on
He plead No Contest which doesn't constitute an admission of guilt. If he completes the terms of his probation, a verdict of NOT GUILTY will be on his record.
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