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NBF: And everyone doubted the vicious finishing power of the Full Nelson. For those still with questions, consult March 27, 1987 - Wrestlemania III: Hercules & Billy Jack Haynes battle to a DOUBLE COUNT OUT in a full nelson challange.

From Meltzer:
http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=12554

Steven Richards will be undergoing surgery on Tuesday for various facial injuries suffered in the Monday Raw match with Chris Masters.


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It looked like that Polish Hammer to the face was brutal. Poor Steive always gets hurt with the Green Giants.



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They had an exclusive on WWE.com of Stevie getting treatment for the nose backstage after the match, and they didn't seem to treat it as a big deal.



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Isn't it awfully convenient that the former ECW guys are falling out of sight, one by one?

RVD, the Dudz and now Stevie ...



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Dudleys are in OVW getting some work in after their time off and should be back in WWE fairly soon.



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    Originally posted by orangeman
    Dudleys are in OVW getting some work in after their time off and should be back in WWE fairly soon.


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I just wonder how many guys Masters has to hurt before he's shown the door.

I wonder what would have happened had he injured HHH or Shawn Michaels or something.

And, I'd like to see him stiff Batista. Or try.





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    Originally posted by davidlister
    I just wonder how many guys Masters has to hurt before he's shown the door.

    I wonder what would have happened had he injured HHH or Shawn Michaels or something.

    And, I'd like to see him stiff Batista. Or try.



1.) As far as I know, this is the first guy he's hurt. I don't think one injury is cause for a firing.

2.) No one said he stiffed Stevie- it could be the fact that he's just too green right now. Or just an accident.



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This has been the masterful impression we have of Mr. Masters:

1) Vignettes leading up to his debut that just screamed out 'This Guy Really and Truly is Going to Suck.'

2) I know it was from a script, but unless Masters is the fusion of Steamboat, Funk and Race in their primes, telling Ric Flair to sit back and learn something means he better put on one of the best matches in RAW history to prove himself.

3) He fucks up and destroys Stevie's face by screwing up a manuever even Ivan Putski could do cleanly. Fortunately, Stevie is a former ECW guy, so Vince only had to pay for a vet to treat him rather than a real doctor.

4) Not only does he get a full-nelson as a finisher, he can't even apply it correctly, as he never locked the fingers.

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Is it my imagination, or do they always make Stevie put over the Green Giants? They had him start off Heidenreich, too, and he got hurt again there. Do they just not care what happens to Stevie, or do they figure he can take care of himself when their other jobbers (e.g. Hurricane or Maven) can't?
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Sometimes people develop a theory about something really early - some may even offer "too early" - in the process, and then they become (a little too) interested in proving to the world that their theory is *correct*, and then end up seizing on any picyaune little thing they feel they can twist to conform to their theory, and ignoring anything that doesn't fit. Sometimes these people manage to attract a herd of people ready to believe anything they read, and then God help us all because the competition is on to see who gain official recognition as Spokesperson of the Theory, and the piling on in pursuit of making sure EVERYONE believes the Theory....oy.

Keep in mind, this has nothing to do with Masters - he suuuuuuure sucks. Boy howdy! All that's missing is a commentator exclaiming "THIS MAN WALKS OUR STREETS!!!!!!!" Am I right, people? Yowza!



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I understand this is the first guy he's hurt and I'm not saying he stiffed Stevie on purpose.

However one job of a pro-wrestler is to protect your opponent and unless Stevie told Masters to knock the s--- out of him I would say that it was a little uncalled for.

Stevie's a veteran who's been taking stiff shots from ECW all the way up to his current run in WWE(I'm sure he's not crying about it)but, in watching the match it just looks like Masters was too into himself and got carried away hitting Stevie with more force than necessary to make the move look painful.

I'm not saying fire the man for one mistake. But, how many lower-card men would he have to hurt for the WWE to reconsider his spot?

And, if he is too green that he's making unnecessary contact, why the hell is he on Raw?

As for making an early judgment/theory on Chris Masters, everybody does it.
I knew Master's sucked 30 seconds into the match..that's not to say I wont give him a chance. If they give him a monster push I may have no choice.

I just don't take kindly to 22-yr old kids coming in hurting my veterans.




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
I offer, sometimes people develop a theory about something early, quite possibly in fact, "too early," it does indeed get people interested in the validity of that theory. And when that theory FUCKING SMASHES STEVIE RICHARD'S FACE, well, hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
Edge injured a Los Boricous in his debut match but he didn't receive any blacklash for it.



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Edge isn't a 'hoss' though. Same way when RVD was hurting guys nobody seemed to notice that either (except Kurt Angle's wife from what I remember...). We've also seen guys do running powerbombs and piledrivers that have had a LOT worse effects on the victim.

I also watched the match and I didn't see Masters do anything like get too involved in the match or whatever where he lost control. If Stevie had gone down 1/10 of a second earlier, we wouldn't be having this thread anyways. The guy threw a punch where he was going for the nose, and he nailed it dead on. Had anything been at a different angle, nothing would have happened.

It's one injury. If he comes out in the next couple weeks and someone else gets hurt, then fine there's a problem. Until then, like Gorilla Monsoon used to say, "one is a fluke".


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
I think "destoyed Stevie's face" may be a little strong, if not a completely absurd misrepresentation of reality.

People need to calm down. This guy doesn't suck nearly as much as people like to pretend he does. Don't any of you remember what Batista was like when he debuted? Or what people around here said about him when he debuted? Now everyone is in his thong for some reason. Who knows, with the right push, Masters may be a star. Stranger things have happened, and maybe sooner rather than later this overreaction will be a memory.

But it sure is annoying now.

Jeez, not everyone with big muscles is a bad human being.



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I'll concede that my earlier post makes it seem like I'm dismissing Masters out of hand, or that I forgot that when Batista started he wasn't very good either. I'm not and I haven't. The difference between Masters and Edge or RVD is that they hurt people doing what are commonly refered to as "high-risk manuevers." Masters hurt a guy hitting him in the face, a staple move in pro wrestling. Masters might get better. He might wind up being the best damn wrestler any of us ever have or ever will see. But now? Now he's a 22-year old kid who couldn't be any greener if he was trying. He wasn't ready for a call up. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in making that statement. I think six months or a year down in Ohio Valley would make a big difference with Masters, who has a lot of years ahead of him and could have afforded to wait. As it stands, you've got a big guy in there who maybe he knows what he's doing, but he sure as hell doesn't look like he does. He looks lost, and he's hurting a guy in his first outing doing a relatively simple move. It looks like I'm going to have to give Masters a chance whether I like it or not, because I don't see him going anywhere any time soon. But I'd have rather given him a chance in a year or so when he's maybe a little better prepared to impress us.
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If it helps, I still think Batista sucks.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I'll concede that my earlier post makes it seem like I'm dismissing Masters out of hand, or that I forgot that when Batista started he wasn't very good either. I'm not and I haven't. The difference between Masters and Edge or RVD is that they hurt people doing what are commonly refered to as "high-risk manuevers." Masters hurt a guy hitting him in the face, a staple move in pro wrestling. Masters might get better. He might wind up being the best damn wrestler any of us ever have or ever will see. But now? Now he's a 22-year old kid who couldn't be any greener if he was trying. He wasn't ready for a call up. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in making that statement. I think six months or a year down in Ohio Valley would make a big difference with Masters, who has a lot of years ahead of him and could have afforded to wait. As it stands, you've got a big guy in there who maybe he knows what he's doing, but he sure as hell doesn't look like he does. He looks lost, and he's hurting a guy in his first outing doing a relatively simple move. It looks like I'm going to have to give Masters a chance whether I like it or not, because I don't see him going anywhere any time soon. But I'd have rather given him a chance in a year or so when he's maybe a little better prepared to impress us.


I see your point, but at this point I accept that everyone that they have looks lost the first couple times they're on tv. They're going from OVW (if they're lucky) to preforming live in front of 10'000 people and a millions watching at home. Every interview I've read from guys say that there's no way to prepare for that. You go out shitting yourself regardless of what you've been through before. Even Shawn Michaels opening at WM8 looked like a scared little girl when he was walking to the ring and looked at the crowd. When the nerves get going, screwups happen a lot more often.

I know that the Polish Hammer is a simple move, but Jericho's said a hiptoss could kill a guy if something goes wrong. A bodyslam or suplex could kill a guy if done wrong too. A fluke is a fluke. An argument could be made that if Edge injures someone doing a high risk move during one of his first WWE matches, then he had no business tryng that high risk move in the first place.

If I had to make a choice right now, I'd say he sucks too, but I'm going to wait a couple weeks to let the nerves settle down a bit to see what he's like. Unfortunately the WWE seems to think that the best way to train these guys is to throw them in front of the live crowd as early as possible rather than look for indy veterans like they used to, so most guys (like some of the ones already listed) suck for a while before getting their legs. None of the recent guys have been ready to be called up, but it looks like we're going to have to learn to live with the on the job training, since they don't seem to have any interest in hiring someone who's old enough to drink.


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The most recent new addition that surprised me had to be Snitsky - of course he sucks but they threw him in against an established star in Kane, and he held his own. His promos have been almost as scary as the backne or the bloody eye, but at least it was refreshing to see his debut not be against a jobber.

Throw these two young hosses against each other, or better yet add Tomko to the mix, and mebbe one of them will outshine the others. Make it a # 1 contender match for Shelton's belt, and let Christian do guest commentary complaining that he's left out. Then, say Tomko wins, but Christian sneakily signs the contract ahead of him.

Cream floats to the top, and shit sinks to the bottom. Putting these folks together assures a bad match, maybe gets us (unintentional) comedy gold acting, but frees up the rest of the roster so they won't be infected.
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