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I can't say I ever expected this:

Sources -- Steve Nash headed to Los Angeles Lakers in sign-and-trade deal


    In an unforeseen twist that could thrust the Los Angeles Lakers straight back into title contention, two-time NBA MVP Steve Nash has successfully negotiated a sign-and-trade deal from the Phoenix Suns to the Los Angeles Lakers that will team him up with Kobe Bryant, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.

    Sources told ESPN.com that the Nash, with the New York Knicks also pressing hard to complete a simiilar sign-and-trade deal, was swayed to join the Lakers after a determined push from Bryant and because the move not only keeps him in the title hunt but will allow Nash to stay in close proximity to his three children in Phoenix.


This is the Lakers' trade exception, so they essentially turned a disgruntled Lamar Odom into Steve Nash. I'd say that deal worked out in the end, wouldn't you?

(edited by It's False on 4.7.12 1744)



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Damn Canadians interrupting Independence Day with their basketball players.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Damn Canadians interrupting Independence Day with their basketball players.


We also had two American hockey players doing it earlier in the day.



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Raptors GM Colangelo offered Nash way, way more money to play in Toronto. He's leaving something like 11 million at the table not to play here. There's no way the Raps organization can spin this as anything other than a total humiliation. We already can't attract a half-decent American player to come here despite being the NBA's forth largest market and now this. They may as well just move the team.

But then, this is Steve Nash we're talking about. Wouldn't even play for Canada in the Worlds, so what did the Raps expect? And he's potentially going to help Kobe tie Jordan for rings? Truly this man has no soul.





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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Raptors GM Colangelo offered Nash way, way more money to play in Toronto. He's leaving something like 11 million at the table not to play here. There's no way the Raps organization can spin this as anything other than a total humiliation. We already can't attract a half-decent American player to come here despite being the NBA's forth largest market and now this. They may as well just move the team.


Here's the thing that pissed me off about all the analysts assigning Nash to Toronto because he's Canadian: he's from British Columbia. It's like ripping Adam Morrison (from Montana) for not signing with an American team... like Detroit. (At this point, he should be happy to get ANY offers from NBA teams, but that's beside the point.)

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    But then, this is Steve Nash we're talking about. Wouldn't even play for Canada in the Worlds, so what did the Raps expect? And he's potentially going to help Kobe tie Jordan for rings? Truly this man has no soul.


No wonder, if THAT'S the reaction he's going to get. Besides, he was born in South Africa. Maybe he really has a hankering to represent them in international basketball.





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Potential underlying storyline: Not enough is made about the magical medical staff in Phoenix. We're talking about a medical staff that turned Grant Hill from perennial IR All-Star to 82-game-a-year player. They took a broken down Shaq, fixed him up enough to have him play nearly a full season, and then watched as he broke down again after he walked away.

So what happens to a 38-year-old Nash now that he no longer has Phoenix's magical medical staff to rely on anymore? Does he suddenly start to show his age?

And if Grant Hill decides to come along for the ride, as he indicated he would, does the coach turn back into a pumpkin? Does he suddenly go back to being made of glass?




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If I were a great basketball player, I wouldn't want to go to Toronto either. The Raptors organization has one of the biggest cases of cranial/rectal inversion in the NBA.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad

    And he's potentially going to help Kobe tie Jordan for rings? Truly this man has no soul.




Counterpoint:

    Originally posted by SI.com
    Nash, who had so many memorable battles with the Lakers during his eight seasons with the Suns, is said to be ecstatic to be getting the best of both worlds in this scenario. According to Duffy, the fact that his three children live with his ex-wife in Phoenix means he'll be able to see far more often than if he had signed with other suitors like Toronto, New York or Dallas.

    "The whole predicate was to put him in position to be as close to his family as possible and in the most competitive situation possible," Duffy told SI.com. "Both were accomplished, and then he wanted to make sure that the Suns got value for his departure because (Suns owner Robert) Sarver has been good to him and they've had a great relationship. That was very important to Steve. In his mind, it's a win-win-win."



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    If I were a great basketball player, I wouldn't want to go to Toronto either. The Raptors organization has one of the biggest cases of cranial/rectal inversion in the NBA.


Landry Fields will probably be the worst contract given out this season .. At least until we see the Jeremy Lin poison pill the Knicks have to swallow.

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    Originally posted by It's False
    Potential underlying storyline: Not enough is made about the magical medical staff in Phoenix. We're talking about a medical staff that turned Grant Hill from perennial IR All-Star to 82-game-a-year player. They took a broken down Shaq, fixed him up enough to have him play nearly a full season, and then watched as he broke down again after he walked away.

    So what happens to a 38-year-old Nash now that he no longer has Phoenix's magical medical staff to rely on anymore? Does he suddenly start to show his age?


He might get Kobe's magical German medical treatments.



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    Originally posted by It's False
    Potential underlying storyline: Not enough is made about the magical medical staff in Phoenix. We're talking about a medical staff that turned Grant Hill from perennial IR All-Star to 82-game-a-year player. They took a broken down Shaq, fixed him up enough to have him play nearly a full season, and then watched as he broke down again after he walked away.


Which, incidentally, explains Eric Gordon lining up a max contract offer sheet with the Suns. It's not his heart that's in Phoenix, it's his replacement knees that'll actually let him play 82 games.

(Of course, it's a moot point, because maybe he'll get to visit them whenever New Orleans goes to Phoenix.)





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Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by SI.com
    "The whole predicate was to put him in position to be as close to his family as possible and in the most competitive situation possible," Duffy told SI.com. "Both were accomplished, and then he wanted to make sure that the Suns got value for his departure because (Suns owner Robert) Sarver has been good to him and they've had a great relationship. That was very important to Steve. In his mind, it's a win-win-win."

He just gave his first post-deal interview on 710 ESPN about 30 minutes ago. He said it came own to the Knicks or the Lakers for him. LA is an hour flight from Phoenix. He said it was either see his kids 3-4 times a year or see his kids 3-4 times a month, and he chose the latter.



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I'm of mixed feelings about this. I love Steve Nash - anyone who doesn't is inhuman. There is nothing not to like about the guy. And I really, really would like to see him win a title, or at least get to the Finals, and this move makes that at least much more of a possibility than it has been in the past couple of years, even though I still think the Thunder will be big favorites to come out of the West again. So that is good.

On the other hand, I hate Kobe Bryant. He's a good player of course, but I've never liked the style of play that makes he and many others such high volume scorers: He just shoots the ball. And shoots it some more. And then after that, he shoots some more. And then, just to change it up a bit, he shoots some more. I hate watching it. And it seems like something's going to have to give: Either Nash isn't going to be able to distribute the ball the way he is so good at, or Bryant isn't going to be able to shoot the ball 23 times a game. And I'm afraid Nash isn't going to win that battle, but we'll see.

Bryant's hardly the only guy to rely on tons and tons of shots to get his points, but, to pick the obvious example, Michael Jordan took tons of shots while putting up a much better shooting percentage. Jordan once had a string of six consecutive seasons shooting better than 50 percent; Bryant has never done that in a season. Bryant led the league last year in field goal attempts per game, but also posted his lowest shooting percentage since his second NBA season. Bryant's career shooting percentage is .453; Jordan's was .497, and would have been over .500 if not for those two years with the Wizards when he really had no business being in the league anymore.

Anyway, I guess overall I'll be rooting for the Lakers to win the title next year, but it's unfortunate that would have to mean another title for Bryant as well. I'm not confident it will happen anyway, because I don't think Bryant is a great player anymore.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 5.7.12 1405)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I hate Kobe Bryant.
I get that, but I'm not sure putting his shooting percentages (or any other stat, for that matter) next to Michael Jordan's is a fair comparison, especially if you're trying to prove why the other guy isnt a great player (which I think is what you were trying to do). Lots of great players dont measure up to Jordan. Doesnt mean they arent greats. Knaw-meen?



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Well I'm not really saying Bryant isn't a great player, because he clearly is (or was at least). It's just, I really find it boring to watch when one guy just chucks up shot after shot with any number of hands in his face.

I mentioned Jordan just because I figure the obvious response to my criticism is, "lots of great players have taken tons of shots, did you hate watching Michael Jordan too?" But at Jordan's peak, he made more than half the shots, so it seemed to make sense for him to shoot so much. I liked watching it because Jordan was better at it than Bryant is. Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson are two other guys who play this same way, and I did find Bryant more fun to watch than them, because he was obviously better. But overall, I'll take the run-and-gun style of Nash and the Mike Dantoni Suns with a more even ball distribution and more than one great scoring threat any day.
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Maybe this is a crazy point to bring up, but unless Nash has found the fountain of youth on the defensive end of the court, how is he going to stop Westbrook if the Lakers face OKC in the playoffs?
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Maybe this is a crazy point to bring up, but unless Nash has found the fountain of youth on the defensive end of the court, how is he going to stop Westbrook if the Lakers face OKC in the playoffs?
By whispering "Take the shot; you're the real leader on this team" into his ear?



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Maybe this is a crazy point to bring up, but unless Nash has found the fountain of youth on the defensive end of the court, how is he going to stop Westbrook if the Lakers face OKC in the playoffs?


Can he be a bigger overall liability than Ramon Sessions and Steve Blake? At least Nash will make Russ play some D on the Lakers' end, too.



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The one thing I don't understand is how all the Toronto media are blaming the Raptors for Nash not signing. They offered him more money than anyone else did and probably the opportunity to make even more money through endorsements as every Canadian company would've come knocking for him. Not much else they could do.

Like every other athlete getting up there in years, he wants to at least have a chance to win a title and that wasn't happening here, no matter what they did. He took a different deal for different reasons, live with it.

Hey, we got Kyle Lowry to play to point, that's OK. I hope he has broad shoulders.

As for the Fields deal, no comment!

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Hey Frosty! You can have D. Howard for the year, give Orlando Bynum. And World Peace

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(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 6.7.12 1844)


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