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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Steve Austin recently spoke with The Daily Star. During the interview, he stated that season two of Tough Enough is in the works. He also spoke about the possibility of working with CM Punk, here is what he had to say…

"Look I've heard the same things and I've said that were I to do it CM Punk would be the man I would like to do it with. All the stars would have to align for that to happen – it would have to be good for me financially, good for me in terms of execution and storyline. Obviously it would have to be good for WWE and work out for CM Punk too. I'm not starting up anything here, but could it happen? Yes. Will it happen? I don't know."


Thoughts: Glad to see that TE is getting another season with Stone Cold at the helm.

Punk/Austin would be huge, but would really not fit into what they are doing right now. It would work best with Punk as the sanctimonious heel.

(edited by Scottyflamingo on 22.8.11 0942)
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
No link? Ah, you quoted 411mania, I can see why you wouldn't want to share a link.

Instead, here's the link to the Daily Star (dailystar.co.uk).



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.93
Tough Enough coming back is the big news. I've heard Austin say the same thing all summer. Foley has been making waves on coming back as well. Austin/Punk deserves its own spotlight instead of sharing it. I just hope they don't try to book Today's stars vs. Attitude stars at this year's mania. I also doubt that the people paying $70 for Mania i.e. will want to see all of the Attitude guys get jobbed out. Maybe one or two those guys lose. Rock, Austin and Foley shouldn't all lose to this "tradition" of putting young guys over when it usually amounts to young guy not ready for giant spotlight.

I am more shocked you didn't virus raped by going to 411. Last time, I got nailed with a virus that caused me to reboot everything. Total disaster much like their comment section.

(edited by lotjx on 22.8.11 0957)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
The problem is that Austin isn't getting any younger. Mania is really the only stage that should have Punk/Austin, and that would mean waiting almost two years to avoid overcrowding the card.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
Attitude Era vs. Modern Era is an interesting theme for a Wrestlemania, but you're right, it would almost be a case of overloading the card. Austin's comeback deserves its own stage --- WWE acknowledges him as its "greatest superstar ever," which is very possibly the case. It would be odd to have Austin face Punk in a semi-main event while the Rock (obviously also a major star but a step behind Austin) gets the main event against today's biggest star.

The other problem with Attitude vs. Modern is what to do with the guys who are still around from the Attitude era --- Undertaker, Triple H, Big Show, etc. Nobody wants to see Taker vs. HHH again.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
How can you overload WrestleMania? It's the biggest PPV. People won't refuse to order the show because it's too loaded with names.

Speaking of TE, is Andy doing anything to prove TE was successful in finding a future superstar?



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Speaking of TE, is Andy doing anything to prove TE was successful in finding a future superstar?
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Nobody wants to see Taker vs. HHH again.


I don't know about that. Toss double retirement stips on it while playing off how HHH dominated the last one and you've got a bigger match than any non-Cena regular streakbuster.

I don't think Austin is going to wrestle, but Meltzer did say there were working ideas for Foley to have a Wrestlemania match, probably with Miz. He's associated with Rock and he had appeared and wrestled so much over the last seven years years that it wouldn't really be overload, while still having enough of a Mick break that it would be interesting. I don't know if he's capable of giving a rising cocky heel the full Foley treatment (with clean job chaser) anymore, but he certainly tried with Flair on Impact. People might be tired of seeing him lose clean brawls to young heels, but who are we to deny the man his life's pleasure.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
It's a shame the Nexus/Corre completely fell apart, since a storyline of "Foley rounds up a bunch of old Attitude-era stars to take on Barrett and company" would be pretty fun for a WM undercard bout.


    I don't know about that. Toss double retirement stips on it while playing off how HHH dominated the last one and you've got a bigger match than any non-Cena regular streakbuster.


Except nobody thinks Triple H would win that match. WM27 was useful in that it opened the door for "the tough old Undertaker fighting to keep his streak alive" becoming the focus of the Streak, as opposed to "omg, the Undertaker is unbeatable at Wrestlemania." Going forward, the purpose would be to line up possible WM opponents that the casual fan might think would actually be put over Taker in the ultimate pass of the torch.

To this end, I'd suggest names like CM Punk, Orton (another repeat match, but today's Orton is far removed from the Orton of WM21), maybe Sheamus if WWE really goes whole-hog on him as a super-face, maybe a heel like Del Rio or Miz, and, ultimately, Cena. Undertaker/Cena is probably being saved for Wrestlemania 30 in MSG if Taker can last that long...if not, then Taker wins this year to get the round number of 20-0 and then he'll face Cena at Wrestlemania 29 in his possible final match.



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If there was ever a time to have a card loaded for bear it would be when there is no Taker. Rock/Cena, Austin/Punk and Miz/Foley would fill that void of no Taker streak match. You save Cena/Taker for the next Mania. I do agree people will buy the PPV, the question is will anyone buy any other PPVS after that. I have not bought a PPV since Mania due to how boring it was. Even Money in the Bank should have been a buy, but I had zero confidence in them doing a good PPV from top to bottom. The Mania buyrate of a million had to cover the low buyrates of the next few PPVs especially Extreme Rules.

You can and should have an overloaded Mania, you have to make sure people are entertained enough and have a good experience they will buy the next PPV. The real problem, will be the WWE booking philosophy is old is out, new is in when the fans are paying to see the old guy. Mania hit a million buys for a lot of reasons, but I would argue Rock being there was the main one. They used him ok, however the PPV was littered with slow boring matches even Taker/HHH while having drama made Gone with the Wind feel like Gone in Sixty seconds. They need to remember how they did Mania and use their veteran guys like they did before like in WM 21.



Big Bad has a good idea of a heel stable full of newbies vs. a Foley lead Attitude era would be a good match. Even though it needed more time, I enjoyed the ECW Originals vs. the New Breed match at Mania. They could throw in a Kofi or Evan to help push the old guys to the win. I just have no desire to see Foley wrestle and lose to another young guy who hasn't done shit for wrestling. Miz would be fine though since I think the promos would be very good. The match not so much.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    How can you overload WrestleMania? It's the biggest PPV. People won't refuse to order the show because it's too loaded with names.


I see what you mean, but from a business standpoint, everyone will buy Mania no matter what is on the card. So some may think you are "throwing away" Punk/Austin, when Rock/Cena already sold the show. Frankly, I don't really see Punk/Austin on the same level anyway. As much as I am digging Punk these days, he isn't turning the business around (yet?). Why not have it at SummerSlam next year, to really boost the buy rates for that show? SSlam was good enough for Shawn's return to the ring.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I don't know about that. Toss double retirement stips on it while playing off how HHH dominated the last one and you've got a bigger match than any non-Cena regular streakbuster.


I read this at first as "Loser must retire" ala Shawn, but that wouldn't have any sort of impact, considering both guys don't work anymore, anyway. Hell, the only match H and UT worked this year was the match with each other. Then I read it again and realized that you mean both guys declare it to be their final match, which is actually a lot more interesting, since they can both leave everything on the table with no tomorrow to worry about.

And let's face it, we can throw around hypothetical names all we want, but it's HHH/UT or bust. Hunter even alluded to it in one of his return promos, when he talked about how he'd pass the time while "waiting for a friend."

The ship for Punk/Austin sailed. I'm sure the plan was to have Austin work with a returning Punk at Wrestlemania, but Punk's sudden, unexpected burst into the superstar stratosphere wrecked those plans. I can't see much reason why this match would still happen. You can't show ALL your cards on this table. Austin's one-time-only return match can draw a lot of money and isn't needed for Wrestlemania, when Rock's one-time-only return match and HHH/UT: The Final Battle will already draw record numbers.

(edited by It's False on 22.8.11 1345)


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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21


    Originally posted by Big Bad
    It's a shame the Nexus/Corre completely fell apart, since a storyline of "Foley rounds up a bunch of old Attitude-era stars to take on Barrett and company" would be pretty fun for a WM undercard bout.


      I don't know about that. Toss double retirement stips on it while playing off how HHH dominated the last one and you've got a bigger match than any non-Cena regular streakbuster.


    Except nobody thinks Triple H would win that match.


I don't think anyone thinks anyone would win that match, but putting HHH's career up is the added hook of real consequence, plus it continues the four-year storyline, plus putting Undertaker's up adds the possibility if not the plausibility that he really is at the end of the line. I don't think "heel with some momentum" cuts it for the Undertaker match anymore. Short of Cena, Orton (as you said, a much tougher and stronger guy now), or CM Punk. Even if, say, Jericho came back in February to challenge Undertaker, I'm sure it would be fun and they'd lie and say it was the first time they'd ever wrestled, but Jericho loses too much to tap into the emotion of the last three Manias.
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#14 Posted on
Has anyone considered Foley coming back as Mankind for one last feud with the Undertaker? If that is Taker's last mania, who better to retire on a 20-0 than someone he's had such iconic moments with in (and over) the ring?

Rock-Cena, Austin-Punk, Taker-Foley.
Sure its packed; but we're talkin Wrestlemania. You can't keep telling me that Wrestlemania is the center stage of wrestling legend and keep givin me shows with one or two good matches tops. Overload that m'fer.

From here til Mania, Triple H can be set against one of the other young guys. There's no telling what standing Sheamus, Miz, and others will be in a few months.

What about Sin Cara? If he keeps being this popular, a Sin Cara-Orton program culminating at Mania might be interesting.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by CHAPLOW
    Has anyone considered Foley coming back as Mankind for one last feud with the Undertaker? If that is Taker's last mania, who better to retire on a 20-0 than someone he's had such iconic moments with in (and over) the ring?


I think the main problem here is that to top what they've done before one of them would actually have to die.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
Also, both men are so hobbled that they can barely move in the ring. That's the WWE's equivalent of the impending Hogan/Sting match, which we have rightfully poo-pooed.

Punk can pretty easily move his argument on Cena to Austin. Steve left the ring to make movies and TV shows, diluting his Rattlesnake persona into that of a reliable company man.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Also, both men are so hobbled that they can barely move in the ring. That's the WWE's equivalent of the impending Hogan/Sting match, which we have rightfully poo-pooed.

    Punk can pretty easily move his argument on Cena to Austin. Steve left the ring to make movies and TV shows, diluting his Rattlesnake persona into that of a reliable company man.


I think I could much more easily see that if they weren't leaning him face now. I don't think they had a choice, of course, but I think that makes it a little less likely. Anything can change before WrestleMania, though.
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