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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    What I fear is that they will fall into the trap that Indiana Jones and it looks like Die Hard fell into. Use the originals to pass the torch to a younger hipper new face.
This is exactly what I'm expecting, but I expect it to be more like Tron: Legacy.

(I don't put Star Trek into this calculation because that was more reboot than passing the torch. Also, I freaking loved the new Star Trek.)

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by Mr Heel II
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      What I fear is that they will fall into the trap that Indiana Jones and it looks like Die Hard fell into. Use the originals to pass the torch to a younger hipper new face.
    This is exactly what I'm expecting, but I expect it to be more like Tron: Legacy.

    (I don't put Star Trek into this calculation because that was more reboot than passing the torch. Also, I freaking loved the new Star Trek.)

    (edited by Mr Heel II on 12.11.12 1609)


BUT, if I can continue this debate, wasn't what Star Trek did, casting younger actors in the iconic roles played by beloved iconic actors and rebooting, more dangerous and controversial than what Star Wars will presumably do, which is cast new actors as descendants and new characters? Yet it worked. People loved Star Trek, it made a fortune, a sequel is on the way next year. Seems to me Star Wars is actually taking an easier route with new characters a generation later and the rumored participation of Hamill, Ford, and Fisher. So what's with premature the belly aching?

I also want to point out no torch whatsoever was passed in Indiana Jones. Shia LaBeouf didn't take over the franchise. Hell, they made a joke out of it at the very end - Indy's son putting on the fedora and Indy took it right back.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.80
Sorry John, but recasting parts has been a part of movies/tv since day one, it's much less of a gamble than creating new characters and hoping they'll catch on.

Nobody really complained about Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, it was the new characters that got all the flack.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
My ultimate fear is that a masked bad guy torments the Skywalkers throughout the movie, only to pull off his helmet at the end to reveal Hayden Christensen...

"Welcome to Clone War II!"

Although I'd find it entirely acceptable if Anakin were replaced with Ewan McGregor as a deranged Obi-Wan clone. That might be kinda fun.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.43
The new Star Trek largely worked because they worked in the concept of an alternate timeline. If I'm not mistaken, this allowed them to keep all the old stuff in continuity, while being able to cast new actors in the roles. It doesn't seem like Episode VII will be doing that.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    The new Star Trek largely worked because they worked in the concept of an alternate timeline. If I'm not mistaken, this allowed them to keep all the old stuff in continuity, while being able to cast new actors in the roles. It doesn't seem like Episode VII will be doing that.


Well, what seems to have happened is that everything that happened before the events of the Star Trek movie remain in continuity. Which means Star Trek: Enterprise is in continuity, the founding of the Federation by Admiral Archer (who was name dropped in the movie), etc. all remain. And that's it. Everything that happens afterwards is up in the air as may not or may possibly never happen, or may happen but not in the way we saw it happen, which means... everything. The first three seasons of The Original Series, the first six movies, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, the four Next Gen movies. All of that was changed. The movie also presupposes that its continuity is now the "Main" Star Trek timeline so it considers itself the Track A of Star Trek. This is all up for debate, of course, but since there is no Star Trek out there right now besides JJ Abrams movie series (the books don't and never counted as "in continuity") then for all intents and purposes Abrams' Star Trek is all the Star Trek there is and is therefore the only continuity there is.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      The new Star Trek largely worked because they worked in the concept of an alternate timeline. If I'm not mistaken, this allowed them to keep all the old stuff in continuity, while being able to cast new actors in the roles. It doesn't seem like Episode VII will be doing that.


    Well, what seems to have happened is that everything that happened before the events of the Star Trek movie remain in continuity. Which means Star Trek: Enterprise is in continuity, the founding of the Federation by Admiral Archer (who was name dropped in the movie), etc. all remain. And that's it. Everything that happens afterwards is up in the air as may not or may possibly never happen, or may happen but not in the way we saw it happen, which means... everything. The first three seasons of The Original Series, the first six movies, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, the four Next Gen movies. All of that was changed. The movie also presupposes that its continuity is now the "Main" Star Trek timeline so it considers itself the Track A of Star Trek. This is all up for debate, of course, but since there is no Star Trek out there right now besides JJ Abrams movie series (the books don't and never counted as "in continuity") then for all intents and purposes Abrams' Star Trek is all the Star Trek there is and is therefore the only continuity there is.


No. Its an alternate timeline which Spock stated in his speech. Its basically a mirror mirror verse without goatees and less evil. You can make a large case the Federation we saw in TOS is not the same mainly, because Nero and his Romulan/Borg ship, so say the comics, appeared and changed the Federation. In TOS, there a handful of ships, in this new Trek, there seems to be a lot of them. To me, this new universe is going to lean more towards fleet than star exploration. The Federation, we know and love is still around. Old Spock just went through a doorway and that lead to this new universe. That door is closed, but the house and city remain.

I also don't expect Star Wars to try and do alternate realities. Its just not their bag. We will get Luke, Leia and now Han hopefully and then go from there. I just hope its not a slaughter of old characters just to get some new actors some creditability. Even though Hayden was a mistake and Portman was bored, Lucas had a hell of a cast for the prequels and most of the others clicked like Sam, Ewan, Ian and Liam. They can't just cast kids from the Disney channel.





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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by lotjx
    No. Its an alternate timeline which Spock stated in his speech. Its basically a mirror mirror verse without goatees and less evil. You can make a large case the Federation we saw in TOS is not the same mainly, because Nero and his Romulan/Borg ship, so say the comics, appeared and changed the Federation. In TOS, there a handful of ships, in this new Trek, there seems to be a lot of them. To me, this new universe is going to lean more towards fleet than star exploration. The Federation, we know and love is still around. Old Spock just went through a doorway and that lead to this new universe. That door is closed, but the house and city remain.


Right, you said it yourself. The door is closed. The house and city remain but no one is producing, or seemingly will produce, any more TV and movies about the old Star Trek universe from 1966 to Star Trek Voyager's finale, so in a sense, that universe is "dead". Everything that happened happened, but it's no longer the "main" universe. Is what I'm saying. JJ Abrams' Star Trek is the only Star Trek now. So it may be an alternate universe, which I agree with, but since the old universe is mothballed and Abrams' movies are the only Trek in play, then Abrams' Trek is the "main" universe now. Hope that clarifies my point.

Does any one in the Star Wars universe stop to ask themselves how just about every major event in the Galaxy in the past decades seems to pivot on the flaws and failings and occasional successes of the Skywalker family? Even Palpatine's labyrinthine plots to turn the Republic into the Empire hinged on getting Anakin Skywalker as his apprentice. Anyone in Star Wars who wants to control the course of the Galaxy would want to address the Skywalker Problem. If I were plotting the next Trilogy, I'd start there.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
I do think we will get another original Trek film or show before its all said and done. Especially if Trek 2 turns into Transformers 2. There are kickstarter shows out there set in the original universe with some of the original cast. Now, will they be recognized? Who knows, if what you are saying is true that the old universe is in mothballs what is the harm of playing around with it.







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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
    Originally posted by lotjx
    There are kickstarter shows out there set in the original universe with some of the original cast. Now, will they be recognized? Who knows[?]



I can say, without equivocation, that they will not be recognized.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Anyone in Star Wars who wants to control the course of the Galaxy would want to address the Skywalker Problem. If I were plotting the next Trilogy, I'd start there.


I haven't read any of the extended universe books, but I assume they sort of rise to power (at least in the Jedi hierarchy?) so I can only assume the family has a bounty on their heads eventually.

But yes, this type of thing is always an issue in these type of stories.
In the Dresden books everything always happens around Harry Dresden.
Or..The earth got saved 3 times by Shia's character in the TF movies. Someone go back in time and kill his folks, please?

At least the Skywalker family has been on both sides of the board.





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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

Another thought/question I have pondered on this.

Provided Luke Skywalker Mark Hamill) is in the movie & is visited by Jedi spirits, would Obi-Wan & Anakin be played Ewan McGregor & Hayden Christensen? Or, thanks to digital magic, would they be portrayed by Alec Guinness & Sebastian Shaw?

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    Another thought/question I have pondered on this.

    Provided Luke Skywalker Mark Hamill) is in the movie & is visited by Jedi spirits, would Obi-Wan & Anakin be played Ewan McGregor & Hayden Christensen? Or, thanks to digital magic, would they be portrayed by Alec Guinness & Sebastian Shaw?




Shaw's Vader doesn't exist anymore since they put Christensen in his place at the end of VI.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
I personally think it's far, far too late in the game to be using the characters from the original trilogy. It can still be Star Wars with new Jedis, new bad guys, new Wookies.

Also, the book universe is very good at telling events. I hope they can commit to at least adhere to the timeline the books have created.

Most of all, I would really like to see them use Amy Adams as Mara Jade if they do indeed work in the time frame they are saying they are going to.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by lotjx
    To me, the Star Wars saga is about Anakin Skywalker.

You sir, have officially bought what Lucas has been selling since 1999. To me, and to a lot of people, the Star Wars saga is about Luke, or at least the Skywalker name. Not Anakin alone. Lucas made the three prequel movies about Anakin, and has attempted (poorly, I might add) to force the original films to fit his "It was always all about Anakin" idea. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, before all the revisions, the name "Anakin" isn't even uttered until Return of the Jedi.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.20
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    You sir, have officially bought what Lucas has been selling since 1999. To me, and to a lot of people, the Star Wars saga is about Luke, or at least the Skywalker name. Not Anakin alone.


In the RLM reviews, Plinkett talks about this at some length. In Ep IV, Vader is just a dude with a job on the Death Star - basically a mid-level military officer who practices some nearly extinct religion and has an odd family history. It wasn't until the prequels that he became this essential pawn in the takeover of the Republic.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
Star Wars is about whatever George Lucas says it's about (and this is where I duck...).

However, I grew up with the Original Trilogy which was about Luke Skywalker. Specifically, Luke Skywalker redeeming his father Darth Vader and becoming a Jedi. The prequels inverted that so that the Original Trilogy becomes about Anakin Skywalker being redeemed by his son Luke. I can live with it either way. For all his callow whining in A New Hope, I definitely prefer Luke > Anakin.

I just like Luke Skywalker. (backofthehead.com)



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.28
I would hardly call Vader, middle management in episode IV. He is out getting shit down. Capturing the Princess and choking out her crew? Check. Killing former Jedi Mentor when even the boss thinks he is having off day? Check. Coming up with the plan to track the rebels to Yavin IV? Check. Killing almost all the rebel pilots? Check. Living to fight another day? Check.

In Episode V, he is the main character. Everything revolves around Vader. He sets in motion all of the events. Even in Jedi, the entire plot is Luke redeeming Vader. He is the plot. He continues to be the plot in the prequels which fanboys can scream and cry about they still bought the damn tickets multiple times.

Yes, I like Luke, too, but Star Wars is not about Luke, its about Anakin. We also forgetting that 90% of the Extended Universe stuff is shit without him. Thrawn is good, but its basically Zahn writing love letters to characters he created. He could have done the entire thing without the main characters and partially did. Jedi Academy is good even Dark Saber has some nice moments, but its not epic. The entire problem with the extended universe is there is no great villain. Thrawn was and he died like a bitch, because Zahn realized he wasn't a threat to anyone in a straight fight. C'Boath got eaten by dogs and even Luke's clone was lame. Then there is the revolving door of kids that failed Luke's school to become bad guys, all of them were weak sauce Mauls and Vaders. The Vong, the fucking Vong is all you need to say.

Star Wars has and will always need a villain who not only drives the plot, but at times is the plot. Someone who is feared, respected and dangerous. Sith is only good, because they finally did that for Anakin and Palpatine. I don't see them pulling a rabbit out of their hat in that regards. Even if it is one of the Solo kids, its going to be retreading the same shit we saw in the prequels and we know how that turned out with the Star Wars community.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by lotjx

    In Episode V, he is the main character. Everything revolves around Vader. He sets in motion all of the events.


Yes. And Vader was also incompetent. (backofthehead.com)



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.20
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I would hardly call Vader, middle management in episode IV. He is out getting shit down. Capturing the Princess and choking out her crew? Check. Killing former Jedi Mentor when even the boss thinks he is having off day? Check. Coming up with the plan to track the rebels to Yavin IV? Check. Killing almost all the rebel pilots? Check. Living to fight another day? Check.


Yup... so basically, the job of a mid-ranking officer who doesn't have the responsibility of running the entire ship. So important to the command, in fact, that other officers openly mock his religion to his face. So important to the command that they send him out to a dogfight in which he could have easily been killed (without the force and all).
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