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#21 Posted on
First Please Note: My Star Trek experience is relegated only to thinking Captain Kirk is way cool, a few seasons of TNG, and the occasional insomniatic viewing of DS9, or Voyager.

That being said, Id assume that the Humans kind of put Romulus into their own little mold when they discovered they existed, which is why all the similarities with the Roman empire. I mean, in all probability the Romulans call their planet sdaf!80scv and whatever their legislative body is is just called a Senate by Earth, and could very well have just been named a Parliment, or Council, or Knesset. Its probably just because some history nut who had the first contact with them decided ''hey, these guys kind of remind me of Rome a little bit, so Im going to call them 'Romulans''' that the ball got rolling that way.



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#22 Posted on
I have always thought the same thing. Very few humans speak any alien languages. Hell, few humans speak any languages other than English. The Universal Translator makes it uneccesary to acutally learn it. The biggest proof of this to me is the Vulcans. They live on the planet Haephateus (sp). She was the goddess who was married to Vulcan. Now the odds that an alien race would just happen to have that name is impossible. So the humans just called them that. Of course Enterprise if fucking that up like everything else.

(edited by Dahak on 15.7.02 1656)


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Vulcans live on Vulcan, but it's the same difference. Point is made and valid.

Enterprise STILL sucks. =)



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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by ManiacalClown
    Yes, I'm a Star Trek geek.

    But we're ALL wrestling geeks. ;)



I'm not a wrestling geek... I'm a wrestling dork!

oh and... Space Nerd Wil Wheaton (I like putting links in, yes I do) is gonna be in Nemesis, I think. And that's a good thing. Everyone loves Wesley!

And as a sidenote... I can't stand watching star trek movies. TNG and DS9 rock, but I cain't stand the original series, and can tolerate Voyager. I have not watched a single episode of Enterprise... But can anything with Dude From Quantum Leap in it be all that bad?
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#25 Posted on
Sorry I meant they live in the Haephateus system. The planet is Vulcan.



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#26 Posted on
    Originally posted by Fuzzy Logic
    I'm not a wrestling geek... I'm a wrestling dork!

    oh and... Space Nerd Wil Wheaton (I like putting links in, yes I do) is gonna be in Nemesis, I think. And that's a good thing. Everyone loves Wesley!

    And as a sidenote... I can't stand watching star trek movies. TNG and DS9 rock, but I cain't stand the original series, and can tolerate Voyager. I have not watched a single episode of Enterprise... But can anything with Dude From Quantum Leap in it be all that bad?



Great. A Star Trek movie where Janeway outranks Picard and Wesley Crusher makes his grand reappearance (wasn't he off to become a superior species, or something?).

Is the "Even movies suck, odd movies rule" rule still valid? If it is I think this might kill it.

Hey! I'm on the net, I'm SUPPOSED to hate everything for no reason!

At least Jonathan Frakes isn't directing so he can shoot himself flying the Enterprise with a friggin' JOYSTICK.

(edited by Ike on 16.7.02 0113)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by Dahak

      Originally posted by ManiacalClown
      TNG took place over 7 years. So says "All Good Things."


    Damn that makes the writing even worse. I thought that might be true because Voyager took place over 7 years. So Ryker has been the best Commander in the fleet for 13 years and hasn't been promoted. Sounds like he sucks to me.



I may be wrong here but I seem to remember Ryker as an Admiral in the last episode(or one of the many stupid time travel episodes) of TNG when all the Enterprises were phased because of soem stupid reason. He showed up with the Enterprise and blew up a Klingon ship. He had a revitalized enterprise that had a 3rd warp engine attached to the saucer section and made a comment about an Admiral getting to choose which ship he could command.





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#28 Posted on
I'm all confused.

My understanding of the plot of Nemesis was that the Remus guys get tired of being controlled by Romolus, and they try to take over the Romulan empire, all of which at least sounded halfway logical.

Sure, I was told that the script was stupid, but did I miss a meeting somewhere that detailed exactly how stupid it is?




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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by Ike
    Is the "Even movies suck, odd movies rule" rule still valid? If it is I think this might kill it.


Um, I think you mean, "Odd movies suck, even movies rule."
Odd Movies:
Star Trek (I) : The Motion Picture
Star Trek III : The Search for Spock (best of the "suck" movies, IMHO)
Star Trek V : The Final Frontier (What does God need with a starship and this film?)
Star Trek (VII) : Generations
Star Trek (IX) : Insurrection

Even Movies:
Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek IV : The Voyage Home
Star Trek VI : The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek (VIII): First Contact

But yeah, you may be right, and if the rumors are true, then this would probably be the movie most likely to totally break the rule.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Except that Insurrection rocked so the old saying was blown out of the water already.



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#31 Posted on
Insurrection...um....rocked? It was a movie that was just THERE. It seemed like some excuse just to get the TNG cast on a movie, there wasn't that much put into it. I dunno, it just really didn't stand out to me.

What was so bad about Generations? Did I miss something? O.o

I haven't been keeping up with Nemesis and spoilers at all, and I'd tend to believe the former post saying that people on Remus are going to rebel against those on Romulus and they'll have their supporters each way. But I'm out of the loop, I don't know.
The whole Riker thing is this. Riker's been on the ship just as long as Picard. We saw in the Best of Both Worlds series that Starfleet Command is keen on Riker commandng friggin SOMETHING and that they'll give the Enterprise to him when Picard is promoted. So he keeps denying commands offered to him because he wants the Enterprise chair, while I also think it has something to do with the Melbourne being offered to him, then being shot up into pieces at Wolf 359.

JANEWAY IS A FRIGGIN ADMIRAL?!?!??!!? WTF?!?!?!?!?! BEFORE PICARD?!??!? Oh waaah, my ship got lost, we rehabbed a Borg, promote me please! ::Growls:: The damned Doctor should be an admiral before her indecisive ass, heh. And Picard should be commanding everything in Starfleet by now. Picard = God
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#32 Posted on

    Originally posted by Fuzzy Logic

      Originally posted by ManiacalClown
      Yes, I'm a Star Trek geek.

      But we're ALL wrestling geeks. ;)



    I'm not a wrestling geek... I'm a wrestling dork!

    oh and... Space Nerd Wil Wheaton (I like putting links in, yes I do) is gonna be in Nemesis, I think. And that's a good thing. Everyone loves Wesley!

    And as a sidenote... I can't stand watching star trek movies. TNG and DS9 rock, but I cain't stand the original series, and can tolerate Voyager. I have not watched a single episode of Enterprise... But can anything with Dude From Quantum Leap in it be all that bad?



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Subject: Lali Ho!

Message:

With the title of my E-Mail, I suppose you think I'm some weird geek-o-zoid that decided to harass you just because he could!

Well, that's all quite true.

Anyway, ... Hi!

I realize you probably get a few hundred of these a day, so I won't take up too much of your time.



So, I came across your site while reading some wrestling news on a message board, and your name came up for some reason. I think they were saying something about how you'll be in the next Star Trek film, and then they started talking about how it would be cool to see you fight someone like Triple-H.

Anyway, some guy posted a link to your site, and I decided to go, being quite the Star Trek nerd.

And I must tell you, you have one of the most HILLARIOUS celebrity sites I've ever seen! Almost as good as Chris Jericho's old site... but I guess I'm bias being a wrestler/wrestling fan...

So anyway, I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that I got into the arts because of you.

Oh no... it's nothing to do with 'being inspired by your talent'. (Though, you were one of the better child actors out there (*cough* suck-up *cough*)) It was because I was getting this haircut when I was... about 5, I guess, and my mother commented on how I looked exactly like you. Looking in the mirror, I was, like, "Hey!!! I look like Wesley!" And because I looked like you, I felt that I had... 'the look' that people look for, and if I was as good at acting as I thought I was, I could actually succeed!

Well, for about 9-10 years after that, I did... NOTHING!

Though, I have started to do a few on-stage things... such as the world premier of Joey the Musical. (Not that you care... hell, I wouldn't!)And, I'm going to acting school in Calgary next fall...

But that's not the only reason I'm going to Calgary... I'm going there to... WRESTLE!!!

*Laughs*

So guess what, Mr. Wheaton? Because YOU got me interested in Performing, and since I was already interested in athletic stuff, I'm in training to become a... WRESTLER!!!

Boy, should YOU feel proud!

... *coughs*

Anyway, I'm talking about me a lot here... let's talk about... YOU! ... Though, I'm sure you get a lot of that. Hell, at times, you must want jackasses like me just to go away and stop bothering poor ol' Wesley.

Speaking of Wesley... *evil grin*...

I laugh every time I watch the first season when Picard yells at you for... just being an annoyance. It's great! To me, it's what made the first season actually watchable... (other than Conspiracy, which was a fantastic episode)

So... ... uh... I guess that's about the extent to my comments on why I found Wesley interesting... ... ... he didn't really DO all that much, I found. It's probably a good thing you got out when you did. Your character was really growing stale...

BUT I'm sure you have your own ideas about everything. Don't let ME, the great and fabulous ENDER (my in-ring name) tell YOU, WIL WHEATON, what to think.

*Grins*

Oh, just to let you know... my mother thinks your gorgeous. *Winks*

...

ANYWAY, I, ENDER, shall not bother you with any more trivial blabbering. Go back to work, do something fun, drink beer, have sex, go act on a big ship, find a dead body... just SOMETHING other than listen to your FANS send you pointless E-Mails that won't really affect your future. YOU could be doing so much more!

...

Yes... I am weird... but aren't we all?

*Smiles*

Take care, sir.


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#33 Posted on

    ...but this is getting recockulous....



I haven't heard that word in a good 5-6 years...LMAO



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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    What was so bad about Generations? Did I miss something? O.o


I saw it on TV this weekend and it blew a lot more than I remembered. I think it had to do with Kirk and his Real Man's Man Nexus experience while looking like a corpse.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Seriously, I have thoroughly enjoyed ALL the movies with the TNG crew. Only I, III, and V sucked balls, in my opinion.

But maybe I'm just an optimist.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
I've always thought that it was really stupid the way Saavik explains the death of Kirk's son AGAIN at the beginning of Star Trek IV. Kirk already knew what happened, and how it happened, and yet she says "I never told you how your son died." I'll just chalk it up to the writers wanting to "subtly" bring up an old plot point for the uninitiated.

edit: nice touch with the icon, clown. CRZ dances for the man no more.

edit again: your icon is dancing again. It wasn't at the time of this post, which led me to believe you'd silenced the animated dancing feet in homage to slash.

(edited by PalpatineW on 20.7.02 0050)

(edited by PalpatineW on 20.7.02 1209)

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#37 Posted on
Well, the teaser poster has a normal looking bald human from behind (Picard?) wearing Romulan uniform and holding a Klingon dagger. Which is confusing.

The Federation, Klingons and Romulans hate each other. I hate the idea of a second Romulan civilization...but if it's a rogue sect of Romulans who try to start a war between the three groups in an effort to gain power, that'd be cool.



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#38 Posted on
oh and... Space Nerd Wil Wheaton (I like putting links in, yes I do) is gonna be in Nemesis, I think. And that's a good thing. Everyone loves Wesley


Hopefully this will mark the return of my favorite line in the history of TNG

"Shut up Wesley!"



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    edit: nice touch with the icon, clown. CRZ dances for the man no more.

    edit again: your icon is dancing again. It wasn't at the time of this post, which led me to believe you'd silenced the animated dancing feet in homage to slash.

    (edited by PalpatineW on 20.7.02 0050)

    (edited by PalpatineW on 20.7.02 1209)



That's not a bad idea, come to think of it. It's either that or have him dance with a black band over him.



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#40 Posted on
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Insurrection...um....rocked? It was a movie that was just THERE. It seemed like some excuse just to get the TNG cast on a movie, there wasn't that much put into it. I dunno, it just really didn't stand out to me.

    What was so bad about Generations? Did I miss something? O.o

    I haven't been keeping up with Nemesis and spoilers at all, and I'd tend to believe the former post saying that people on Remus are going to rebel against those on Romulus and they'll have their supporters each way. But I'm out of the loop, I don't know.

    The whole Riker thing is this. Riker's been on the ship just as long as Picard. We saw in the Best of Both Worlds series that Starfleet Command is keen on Riker commandng friggin SOMETHING and that they'll give the Enterprise to him when Picard is promoted. So he keeps denying commands offered to him because he wants the Enterprise chair, while I also think it has something to do with the Melbourne being offered to him, then being shot up into pieces at Wolf 359.

    JANEWAY IS A FRIGGIN ADMIRAL?!?!??!!?
    WTF?!?!?!?!?! BEFORE PICARD?!??!? Oh waaah, my ship got lost, we rehabbed a Borg, promote me please! ::Growls:: The damned Doctor should be an admiral before her indecisive ass, heh. And Picard should be commanding everything in Starfleet by now. Picard = God



First the whole Remus plot sounds weak. The Romulans are by far the biggest user of secret police and torture. Smashing down a dissident planet in the mother system would be the Tal Shear number 1 priority. Similar to the way the old U.S.S.R. treated the Ukraine.
As far as Ryker goes that is a Star Trek the t.v. show plot line that makes no sense in any actual universe that would ever exist. Simply this the E in the frigging flagship and no rookie would ever captain it. It is simply a plot device to keep Jonathon Frakes on the show which doesn't even exist any more.
Janeway was a horrible captain. Even leaving out the crew lost by the Caretaker she must have lost at least 40 crew people. And how many times was her ship captured? At least 5 that I can think of. She should be cashiered or at least beached. Of course Janeway's problems were caused by B&B's horribly plotless writing.
B&B make some pretty good episodes. As much as the show sucked Voyager had some pretty good episodes. Voyager's characters were boring but didn't actively suck. But they need to someone to write a plot line for a whole season at a time. It is hard for me to believe that the same people wrote DS9 wrote Voyager.

(edited by Dahak on 24.7.02 1842)


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