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I was reading another thread, and the topic of stables came up. As in, why aren't there more? I know that you can't have too many with a split roster (it creates matchup problems), but stables--especially heel stables like the Heenan family, the Hart stable, the Hart Foundation, the Nation of Domination, the original NWO--are good for wrestling. It helps guys who might not have the best wrestling or mic skills get some heat. A good recent example of this I think was Test with the UnAmericans. I guess it's kind of like guilt by association. Or, maybe their gimmick overpowered their stable.

The only real stables right now are Evolution and La Resistance, even though the members of the latter seem to change every week. Smackdown did have the Asians and the FBI, but those seem to have been scrapped.

Anyway, on either show, who do you think could make a potential homerun stable?



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Stables usually detract from the individual. Everybody remembers DX, but X-pac, Billy Gunn, and Ass have all fallen to the wayside for not being HHH. See any other members of the Horsemen that are not named Flair or Benoit. The nWo was good, in the beginning, until it got too many members, and when WCW tried to push Hall and Nash as singles, they didn't draw. The Rock is also the only guy from the Nation of Domination still around, too.

Stables usually produce one breakout star carrying other guys who are only over due to proximity.

In response, though, I believe a stable would get Booker T over, only if you could find a few other guys to go along with him (Bashams, Morgan, Haas).





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On RAW:
Christian, Lance Storm, and Sean Morley (not as Val Venis) could make a good stable. I'd throw Tajiri in there as their man Friday, since I seriously doubt he'll be used any better than that on RAW. I almost put Matt Hardy in there, but I think his gimmick works really well as a loaner, and if these guys, as a stable, put the boots to Matt, singled him out and beat him down, that could help Matt get over as a face.

On SD:
This is more difficult. I think Rene should be left alone. The cruiserweights can't really form strict stables because that limits their match-up possibilities. The uppercard guys on SD don't need it. Maybe Rico could use a good stable on SD. If they're going to use him there, that could be a good way to go, but I can't for the life of me think of who they might put him with. Maybe Stamboli. I don't know about Nunzio. I don't think anything they do with him could make me care about his character.

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"Stables usually detract from the individual. Everybody remembers DX, but X-pac, Billy Gunn, and Ass have all fallen to the wayside for not being HHH. See any other members of the Horsemen that are not named Flair or Benoit."

I'd guess everybody remembers Arn Anderson.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Captain_12_Pack
    "Stables usually detract from the individual. Everybody remembers DX, but X-pac, Billy Gunn, and Ass have all fallen to the wayside for not being HHH. See any other members of the Horsemen that are not named Flair or Benoit."

    I'd guess everybody remembers Arn Anderson.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
    Originally posted by Captain_12_Pack
    I'd guess everybody remembers Arn Anderson.


Isn't he that old dude that Austin pissed on once?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
Part of the demise of stables in WWE comes w/ the lack of emphasis on the Survivor series 'elimination matches.'

I mean there was a time when the "Dudes with Attitudes" were face main-eventers in WCW. That should tell you that just about anything can get over, though the aforementioned is an extreme example. Stables really were the thing as everyone tried to emulate the success of the Horsemen, and it just happened to tie in very well with the SSeries theme that WWF had at the time.

For Stables that one could legitimize....I think it would make sense for the draftees to may be link up for a while. It would work if guys like Spike Dudley were't there to bring down Dupree, so I guess that's really not feasible given the circumstances. I do think there is a pretty good formula that will succeed when forming stables.....2 singles wrestlers and a tag team. This basically exposes the stable to every person in every angle in the rest of the roster, and it gives them the freedom to not have to compete for the same titles.

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Stables are good in moderation. Too many can get confusing, like WCW in the summer of 1999. They had The Deadpool, Filthy Animals, the Revolution, Jersey Triad, West Texas Rednecks, No Limit Soldiers, and the remnants of the nWo B-team all running around. Ric Flair also had his own little group with Piper, Anderson and David Flair.

I can't remember too many babyface stables over the years. The short-lived nWo Wolfpac....the Freebirds when they ran as faces. Oliver Humperdink when he had Orndorff and Bigelow for about six weeks. The Horsemen in 1998 (although the team essentially became faces when the nWo showed up in 1996). A few WCW teams mentioned, above. Umm...the One Warrior Nation?! Any others? Seems like the stable is more of a heel-oriented technique.

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Remember when WWE had 'Gang Warfare'? There were about 6 stables:

DX
The Nation
DOA
Los Boriquis (sp)

ok, maybe 4. I remember there being more at the time. It seemed like everyone on the roster was in a stable.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by estragand
    I can't remember too many babyface stables over the years. The short-lived nWo Wolfpac....the Freebirds when they ran as faces. Oliver Humperdink when he had Orndorff and Bigelow for about six weeks. The Horsemen in 1998 (although the team essentially became faces when the nWo showed up in 1996). A few WCW teams mentioned, above. Umm...the One Warrior Nation?! Any others? Seems like the stable is more of a heel-oriented technique.

    (edited by estragand on 1.4.04 1145)


DX in 1998 with HHH, N.A.O.s, & X-Pac. That was probably the most successful babyface stable, even though DX started off heel.

Wasn't LWO all faces too? I can't seem to recall exactly, but I know I liked them, and this was back in my simpler days, before I got on the internet.

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    Originally posted by dskillz
    Remember when WWE had 'Gang Warfare'? There were about 6 stables:

    DX
    The Nation
    DOA
    Los Boriquis (sp)

    ok, maybe 4. I remember there being more at the time. It seemed like everyone on the roster was in a stable.


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    Wasn't LWO all faces too?


I don't think it really mattered by then because it was just a way to get all the lucha libres in one space, but they were always hounding Rey-Rey to join and he didn't want to, so I guess they were heels.



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    Originally posted by ScottieKStones
    I don't think it really mattered by then because it was just a way to get all the lucha libres in one space, but they were always hounding Rey-Rey to join and he didn't want to, so I guess they were heels.


Eddie Guerrero came out to Nitro one night with his suitcase and bitched about ... something. I forget what. The upshot was that Bischoff could kiss "my you know what". Then eventually he started being all outlaw and picking up Latin wrestlers left and right. The announcers tried to tease the suspense of WHO WILL BE THE NEXT DEFECTOR TO JOIN THE LWO but really everyone knew it would be all the luchadores sans Rey. Then it all just kinda died, I believe.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
New babyface WCW president Ric Flair made nice and asked them all to disband the LWO and work for WCW the greatest company in the world.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    New babyface WCW president Ric Flair made nice and asked them all to disband the LWO and work for WCW the greatest company in the world.


Yeah, that sounds right. Despite Flair's edict, I rememeber the LWO shirts became a pride thing for the luchadors and they kept wearing 'em. Then the newly re-re-reformed nWo began taking the luchadors out, one-by-one. I think this may have resulted in some intense THUNDER matches-- like Lex Luger vs. Hector Garza.. Or La Parka vs. Nash. Rey was the last one, and this led to the fairly successful Rey vs. Nash feud.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
For stables? i would say, let Evolution expand, or make them all turn on triple h, i would love to see a HHH vs. Batista match happen after a built up feud. Hmmm....something like Batista showing up in the arena and accidently wrecking something of HHH's or making him mad somehow...hmm yes that would work. Oh...back to stables i see. Hmm...La Resistance doesn't really work to swell anymore since Rene's departure from Raw. It would be nice to see a nice Smackdown stable put together to feud with Raw's Evolution....perhaps at survivor series 2004, considering Survivor Series belongs to Smackdown and Raw. It would be interesting to see faces vs heels..for example:
HHH,Flair,Orton,Batista vs. Eddie,Rey,RVD,Cena
...it would be pretty unlikely to see those 4 team together but you know what i mean. 4 faces against for heels. Take Eddie,Rey,RVD,Cena and Cena can make up some rap to intimidate Evolution. Perhaps call that group "Revolution" or something to mock Evolution. It would be a success at Survivor Series 2004 and it would be a great stable



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
    Originally posted by DONUTDREAMS
      Originally posted by ScottieKStones
      I don't think it really mattered by then because it was just a way to get all the lucha libres in one space, but they were always hounding Rey-Rey to join and he didn't want to, so I guess they were heels.


    Eddie Guerrero came out to Nitro one night with his suitcase and bitched about ... something. I forget what. The upshot was that Bischoff could kiss "my you know what". Then eventually he started being all outlaw and picking up Latin wrestlers left and right. The announcers tried to tease the suspense of WHO WILL BE THE NEXT DEFECTOR TO JOIN THE LWO but really everyone knew it would be all the luchadores sans Rey. Then it all just kinda died, I believe.


It didn't just die. I never really watched WCW, but I believe that Nash and Hall (right after the NWO reformed from the black and red groups) came out and fucked up Eddie Gurrero and destroyed the LWO.

I would think this would be up there with the "montreal incident" in terms of things that smarks never got over. Perhaps I imagined it all, though.



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I also think that the lack of stables coincides with the lack of managers. I have another thread regarding managers, and many of the old stables weren't really stables per se, but they existed b/c of their managers. For instance, in the late 80s, Bobby Heenan had Haku, Andre the Giant, Terry Taylor, Rick Rude, King Kong Bundy, and the Barbarian. However, you never really saw them come down together and beat up the champion. It was just something subtle, and that's why they never got over as a realized stable. Same thing for Jimmy Hart's guys. Then again, Hart's guys always were somewhat of a sideshow. He had Dino Bravo, Greg Valentine, the Canadian Earthquake, the Fabulous Rougeaus, and the Nasty Boys.



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The LWO disbanded because of Eddie's injury. The story was how Eddie was actively recruiting Rey but he kept refusing. So finally they had a match where if Mysterio lost, he would have join and obviously he did...

So reluctantly, Rey was a member for a few weeks but then Eddie suffered an injury and was out for 6 months. Flair then requested the LWO disband and they all did except for Rey. Mysterio continued to wear his LWO t-shirt for a few months and he never explained why, but eventually the angle was aborted...



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.35
    Originally posted by LionJeetSingh
    Flair then requested the LWO disband and they all did except for Rey. Mysterio continued to wear his LWO t-shirt for a few months and he never explained why, but eventually the angle was aborted...


After the LWO disbanded and Rey kept wearing his shirt, the reason they gave was although Rey didn't like the way the LWO did things, he respected them because they were trying to give the Latino cruiserweights some respect.

Quick question, I do remember when Eddie was attacked and he said one of the masked crusierweight did it and he had all the masked guys line up and take their mask off one by one (the camera was behind them so you couldn't see their faces) and the one guy, I think Cheetah Kid or something took of his mask and it looked like Prince Iaukea. Was it him or just someone who looked like him?



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
If I remember this right, it was Prince Iaueka. He actually worked as Cheetah Kid very early in his WCW career (might have just been one set of Orlando tapings).



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