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The W - Pro Wrestling - Special guest on this Sunday's Talking Dead ... Phil Brooks!
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
http://www.examiner.com/article/cm-punk-s-first-appearance-since-wwe-walkout-set-for-amc-s-talking-dead

It was interesting to hear Chris Hardwick refer to him as both CM Punk AND Phil Brooks ... especially since I would assume that he actually owns the rights to the "CM Punk" moniker, so it wouldn't be a matter of WWE not allowing him to use that name (perhaps it's a conscious effort on his part to distance him from his wrestling persona?)

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
He owns it, but probably has granted temporary control of the name to WWE for the length of his contract. CM Punk probably needs WWE's permission for public appearances (not likely at the moment) but Phil Brooks does not. I find it very funny considering how not long ago he said he hated people walking up to him and saying "Hey, Phil."



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
It should get a good rating due to the Punk thing and they were by far the best combo they had on the couch.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
    Originally posted by lotjx
    It should get a good rating due to the Punk thing and they were by far the best combo they had on the couch.


I dunno, the last Talking Dead had Lauren Cohan (Maggie) and Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha) do a cute cheerleader cheer spelling out the word "Hope" and settle which one of their two characters would win in a fight by having a tickle fight with chess pieces.

I love Punker but he ain't fucking with that.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    I would assume that he actually owns the rights to the "CM Punk" moniker
He used the name well before coming to WWE so he should own it and should be able to use it for outside projects (which doesn't mean he can). He's also publicly stated repeatedly that he's legally changed his name to CM Punk (which doesn't mean he has).

Maybe Punk is coming back to WWE on Raw tonight, but they wanted to announce his appearance on Talking Dead, so they used his real name so as to throw people off the trail.

I suspect that is... unlikely, let's say. But where would the Internet be if we couldn't get all worked up about things we couldn't possibly know anything about?

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
Didn't they say in the CM Punk DVD that he sold the rights to the name to the WWE? I remember hearing that when watching the documentary on Netflix, but I no longer have Netflix so I can't go check myself.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    having a tickle fight with chess pieces.


They were actually using tiny baby-doll arms, which makes it either creepier or sexier (based on your own individual proclivities) ...





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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.85
A search of the Trademark office database says WWE owns the CM Punk trademark.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
He's still under contract for a few months, so there could be limitations on how he can be advertised without having permission from the WWE.

Weird he would have signed away the name CM Punk, but I guess if he figured the last contract was really going to be his last wrestling contract period, maybe he figured he wouldn't need the name anymore.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet

    Weird he would have signed away the name CM Punk, but I guess if he figured the last contract was really going to be his last wrestling contract period, maybe he figured he wouldn't need the name anymore.


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
I never watch Talking Dead but I watched this one because Punk was on. Or rather, Phil Brooks was on - apart from a few mentions of "you might know him as CM Punk" and his @CMPunk Twitter account, he was Phil all night. There was also no mention of what he was famous for - no references to being a (current or former) wrestler.

He didn't add a ton to the discussion, probably because he's a wise-ass and this episode didn't lend itself well to that. But he looked great - he looks like he's actually slept and he was a normal human colour. Everyone should quit WWE, it does wonders for a person.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
He looked better (thanks, TV make-up!) - but his appearance last night drove something home for me that I knew was coming: screw that guy. Not for doing something for himself, not for pursuing his health at a time he needed it - but screw that guy for not handling it better, and then proceeding to just go back to being Phil, regardless of the fans who invested in him through tickets/merchandise.

I was disappointed to see him.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by GRL
    He looked better (thanks, TV make-up!) - but his appearance last night drove something home for me that I knew was coming: screw that guy. Not for doing something for himself, not for pursuing his health at a time he needed it - but screw that guy for not handling it better, and then proceeding to just go back to being Phil, regardless of the fans who invested in him through tickets/merchandise.

    I was disappointed to see him.


Yeah, because there is no make-up in the WWE. Here is the thing, we don't know what the situation is. Everyone wants to pin it on him for walking out when it could be the WWE didn't live up to their end of the bargain or they wanted to do something with him, he felt was wrong. Trying to do a concussion storyline when someone doesn't have a concussion is pretty ugly considering the state of affairs of current and past employees. Also, if facing HHH at Mania is a big deal to the WWE then they have obviously have no idea what a big deal is in wrestling anymore which should shock no one.

He doesn't owe the fans jack. He has gone to plenty of conventions and done a number of fan events when he wasn't a heel. He has given the fans a lot of great moments, you owes nothing to anyone especially the IWC. Good for him for looking like good. This episode of Walking Dead was pretty damn dark even for this show plus the three person coach will always lead to someone being over shadowed. Especially, if a cast member is there and had a ton to do in the episode. No, good for him. People shouldn't beholden to big companies they feel are treating them poorly or fans who want more even after he gave them 10 years plus of his life. Fuck those people.




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Yeah, because WWE and the fans have done nothing for CM Punk. They've just spent ten years sucking the bone marrow out of him and laughing about it.

Come on. We can debate about whether or not he was justified for wanting out in the larger sense - in my view there's nothing really to justify, as if he wanted to quit then that's entirely up to him. But the way he handled it was grossly unprofessional.

And for what it's worth, he's never been "treated poorly" by WWE. Let's not make out that prior to the walk-out he was some poor schmoe watching his career getting flushed away. He was their number two babyface and had been given practically everything he ever wanted in the industry short of his coveted 'Mania main event. I don't begrudge Punk getting out when he wants to, but that doesn't mean you have to lionize the guy either.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Yeah, because WWE and the fans have done nothing for CM Punk. They've just spent ten years sucking the bone marrow out of him and laughing about it.

    Come on. We can debate about whether or not he was justified for wanting out in the larger sense - in my view there's nothing really to justify, as if he wanted to quit then that's entirely up to him. But the way he handled it was grossly unprofessional.

    And for what it's worth, he's never been "treated poorly" by WWE. Let's not make out that prior to the walk-out he was some poor schmoe watching his career getting flushed away. He was their number two babyface and had been given practically everything he ever wanted in the industry short of his coveted 'Mania main event. I don't begrudge Punk getting out when he wants to, but that doesn't mean you have to lionize the guy either.


I would argue he was probably the number three face going down to the number four spot with the arrival of Batista. Now, the WWE did give him a good spot even when he could have left in 2011. He also had the longest run as champ. So, yes, the WWE lived up to the contract we think. The thing, we have no idea what is in the contract. So, until then I am not going throw him under the bus which seems to be new hip thing to do.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.54
He's an actor on a TV show, except it's a TV show where you and your crazy 68 year-old boss (who isn't your boss because you aren't technically employed by his company) beat the shit out of each other with wooden sticks on live TV and one of your co-workers throws your backwards over his head and you almost break your neck and people like me go "holy shit, now THAT'S awesome!" and you're not allowed to be a part of a union and you basically work all the time.

But anyway, plenty of actors on shows leave when they don't like the way the show is going, and I think we're starting to see a greater trend of more and more pro athletes (specifically football players) walking away earlier so that they go on fewer murder-suicide sprees later in life.

I'm bummed Punk isn't on TV every week because I think he's great, but the only thing we know he did that was truly counter-professional was apparently take a pass on the biggest payday of the year, with the (intended? unintended?) result of helping force the company to stop repeatedly shooting itself in the foot. Basically, I'm sad he's not there but I ain't mad at him for leaving, and he doesn't owe me anything because he basically kept the company afloat and made it watchable on his own from about late 2009 until about April 2012. Similarly, I don't owe the guy anything because I talked about those shows on the internet during that time, which is basically the same thing as buying PPVs and merchandise but in valuable Internet Dollars.

(Internet dollars are not to be confused with bitcoins.)

Eh, anyway, I agree with James, he looked better than he has in a while on there, and that was totally the wrong episode to have him on. You could see him realize right after he first spoke that Talking Dead Diva Carol® had no time or interest in the macabre comedy stylings of Talking Dead Superstar Phil Brooks You Might Know Him As CM Punk®, so he basically course corrected and just talked to Talking Dead Diva Yvette Nicole Brown® to keep their parejas incredibles/Good Enemies Better Friends™ upper midcard angle going. I still don't know what Punk can do with his specific skillset if he's not wrestling and not doing professional fighting man commentary, but I'd be down with a two-episode Community cameo as Cornelious Marion Hawthorne, long-lost son of the late Pierce Hawthorne.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.69
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I am not going throw him under the bus which seems to be new hip thing to do.


I don't remember Austin getting thrown under the bus when he walked out.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.59
Read it and weep, fella


I'm with Dr. Unlikely. I'm sad he's not on TV, but I dont hold it against him either.

And I dot get the "unprofessional" part either. From what I understand, he came to Raw, talked to Vince face-to-face, told him he was going home, and did it the day after a PPV. That gave them plenty of time to change any post-Rumble booking plans. Of course advance notice would be better, but he didnt leave them high and dry or anything.

MY THEORY: Maybe he was totally and completely burned out, but figured it might be worth it to stick around for a couple more months and put off his much-needed break until after WM. Then when he found out what their WM plans for him were going to be (or not going to be?), he decided those plans weren't worth putting off his break for.

I pulled all of that completely out of my butt, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I am not going throw him under the bus which seems to be new hip thing to do.


    I don't remember Austin getting thrown under the bus when he walked out.


They even brought back The Rock to do it.





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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
Since I got smacked down with votes up above in near-reddit fashion, allow me to expand upon my point: Punk is 35 years old, just as I am, and I had an occasion or two in my past where I just said "yeah - forget this place" and set symbolic fire in my wake. So I'm all for taking the path to a better path and a happier path and a healthier path just because you want one.

But I also grew up. Got married. Started a family. And what would have seemed cool to me in the past (because damn the man and his bitcoins sometimes!) isn't cool any longer. And that's coming from me, who, arguably, is really only beholden to just my family - same as Punk is - but I also didn't have kids and others spend money to support my professional advances and want me to finish out a contract I agreed to as an adult with my own signature.

Punk doesn't owe anybody anything, we don't know the whole story, etc., etc. - but I still think he comes off looking petulant at the end of the day.
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