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The Red Sox were 10 1/2 games out at one point, and virtually everyone in Red Sox Nation had conceded the division to the Yankees. Now, just 3 1/2 games behind, these next two series mean a whole Hell of a lot more than just bragging rights. In tonight's game, Bronson Arroyo, arguably Boston's hottest pitcher and someone nobody thought would do much good this year, goes up against Orlando Hernandez, arguably New York's hottest pitcher and someone nobody thought would do much good this year. El Duque thrives under pressure, and this is the biggest game of the season so far. For Bronson, this may be the most important start he's ever made. The Red Sox have already swept the Yankees in Yankee Stadium once this year, and I think they're poised to do it again.

If the Red Sox are going to win this division, they must take at least two out of three here.



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Barring a miracle, tonight's game is going to be rained out. So look for a double dip at some point this weekend. Fox has the game tomorrow, so who knows how that will screw with things.

    Originally posted by gugs
    The Red Sox have already swept the Yankees in Yankee Stadium once this year, and I think they're poised to do it again.


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Damn, here's hoping the rain subsides, because tonight's game is easily the most exciting in a while (and will tide me over until the Anaheim-Oakland battle of attrition in a week). Really, who ever thought ORLANDO HERNANDEZ would be the one carrying the New York pitching staff right now? And what kind of statement would the Red Sox make if THEY can cool his hot streak?

Ah yes, this one will be fun.




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Schilling is the hottest pitcher on the Red Sox, not Arroyo (sorry, I remember the Anaheim debacle). The key to the series for the Red Sox is not to get swept. As long as they walk out of Yankee Stadium intact, they should hold onto the Wild Card. Take 2 out of 3 in the Bronx, and next weekend could be Apocolypse Now with Martinez/Wakefield/Schilling lined up.
And, the Friday game appears to be on, with Saturday's game doubtful, a probably day/night doubleheader Sunday should that occur.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    And, the Friday game appears to be on, with Saturday's game doubtful, a probably day/night doubleheader Sunday should that occur.


After a fairly dubious decision to stop the game, which the conspiracy theorists will have all sorts of fun with, it looks like this one might not get in. If we lose tonight's game and Saturday's, they'll either play the first ever tripleheader or possibly schedule one game at the end of the season. If that happens...



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After Olerud's home run in the 5th, I was waiting for the monsoon rains to encompass Yankee Stadium and the Yankees to win a shortened game.
Great thing about Manny Ramirez: Easy fly ball to him, he'll drop. Ball he has no business catching, he somehow catches.
I think Kenny Loften is going to become very well acquainted with the bench in the Yankee dugout the rest of the season. Rivera going 'Catch the Ball' is a great lip reading moment.



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Rivera is human, but so is Lowe. It's a shame this series isn't really meaningful, as both teams are expected to make the playoffs.
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    Originally posted by too-old-now
    Rivera is human, but so is Lowe. It's a shame this series isn't really meaningful, as both teams are expected to make the playoffs.








Considering the home records of both the Red Sox and the Yankees, winning the division and having home field throughout the playoffs is better than the wild card and no home field until the World Series.
Lowe is actually reaching the point against the Yankees where I'd prefer to see Kim facing them rather than him. 2 bad starts in the ALCS against them last year plus 3 absolutely horrid starts this season causes me to wonder whether; should things break a certain way the rest of the season and in the ALDS, Lowe should be in a possible ALCS rotation against the Yankees.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by too-old-now
      Rivera is human, but so is Lowe. It's a shame this series isn't really meaningful, as both teams are expected to make the playoffs.








    Considering the home records of both the Red Sox and the Yankees, winning the division and having home field throughout the playoffs is better than the wild card and no home field until the World Series.
    Lowe is actually reaching the point against the Yankees where I'd prefer to see Kim facing them rather than him. 2 bad starts in the ALCS against them last year plus 3 absolutely horrid starts this season causes me to wonder whether; should things break a certain way the rest of the season and in the ALDS, Lowe should be in a possible ALCS rotation against the Yankees.


The answer is definitely "no." The Sox have enough depth in the rotation that I think they can shuffle Lowe/Arroyo and even Wakefield between the 'pen and the rotation, depending on matchups.

Of course, Lowe couldn't have found the strike zone today with two hands and a flashlight. I don't know if that's a consequence of his pitching in a high pressure game, or just a run-of-the-mill Lowe crapfest.

Keep in mind that his ERA since the All-Star Break of last year is well north of 4.



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Friday's game: AWESOME ending.

Saturday's game: I wish it would've rained out.

Sunday's game: Well, I'll be busy at Lambeau. But c'mon Sox!



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The Yankees have out scored the Red Sox 25 to 5. Sox will make the playoffs, but if they don't sweep the Yankees next weekend, then I don't even think they will get that far. So begins of the Red Sox and another year of New York saving the world from the inevitable apocylpse of Boston winning a World Series.
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This was the thing about Saturday's game.

Lowe was just getting stone shelled. And anyone who cares about Sox/Yanks knows hoe Derek Lowe's psyche gets when he's getting rocked like that. A-Rod hits one off Lowe that he then tries his best to field. He looks fine. After the play is over, the trainers come out and all...

Did Lowe bitch out? Did Francona try to get him out of there with what dignity was left and use the excuse to let Adams warm up?

Not that it matters at all, but that kind of stuff fascinates me.

One more salient point about why these games actually mattered. The AL East winner faces the West winner. Probably Oakland, maybe Anaheim, outside shot of Texas. Wild Card plays the Twins. I'm as much a Yankee partisan as there is, but I don't like anyone's chances against Johan Santana twice in a short series.

Home field will count big as well, obviously, but I think the wild card winner is in for a harder series against the Twins. So even if they get past them, they'll probably be more banged up than the winner of East/West.

I'm drooling over these playoffs. Is there still a National League?



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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I thought last year, it was wild card/West winner, then East/Central winners. Did they change it?



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    I thought last year, it was wild card/West winner, then East/Central winners. Did they change it?


It's not about divisons. It's about record.

Best record plays fourth best, best has home field.
Second best plays third best, second has home field.
Exception: Teams from the same division cannot play each other in the Divisional Series.

It was designed so that the Wild Card team would have to play the best team on the road just to get to the LCS. With the way it's worked out, though, the fourth best team is usually the AL Central winners. If Oakland gets hot down the stretch, which they always do, then the winner of the AL East will play the Twins, and the Wild Card gets the A's.



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It's seeded. Sorta.

The Wild Card Winner faces the Team With The Best Record usually. If those two teams are in the same division, the Team With The Best Record faces the Worst Division Winner instead.

In the AL, this means the bracket will likely be

(1) Yankees vs the worse of AL West or the Twins
The better of AL West/Twins vs (WC) Red Sox

Minnesota and Oakland are currently tied record wise, so it's something that likely will go down to the end of the season, even if the Angels close it up. They'd use head to head records as a tie breaker...

MIN is 2-5 vs the A's
MIN is 4-5 vs the Angels
Which means if the Twins are ahead of the AL West by a game, they get the Red Sox, and if they're tied or behind, they get the A's.

FWIW...

In the NL, it'll break down either

STL vs SFG, SDP, FLA, PHI or LAD (as a wild card)
ATL vs LAD or SFG or SDP (as West division winners)

OR

STL vs LAD or ATL (as worst division winner)
ATL or LAD vs CHC or HOU

That's simple!



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Paul O'Neill was doing commentary of the broadcast as Princess Pedro was getting shelled, and Miss Manny was looking more like himself in the outfield.

He made two good points. First, that the Sox and Yanks have completely different attitudes - the Sox have come out and said they're only playing for the wild card, while the Yankees attitude is completely about winning.

The other point he made was supposing the Sox/Yanks were both assured of the playoffs going into the final 2 games, but suppose the Sox had still a chance for the division, with Shilling and Pedro available on regular or perhaps 1 day short rest. Should they pitch them or rest them try to set up the rotation?

Pedro walked awfully slow from the mound yesterday. Anybody else think he'll be welcomed in pinstripes next year?

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    Originally posted by too-old-now
    Paul O'Neill was doing commentary of the broadcast as Princess Pedro was getting shelled, and Miss Manny was looking more like himself in the outfield.

    He made two good points. First, that the Sox and Yanks have completely different attitudes - the Sox have come out and said they're only playing for the wild card, while the Yankees attitude is completely about winning.

    The other point he made was supposing the Sox/Yanks were both assured of the playoffs going into the final 2 games, but suppose the Sox had still a chance for the division, with Shilling and Pedro available on regular or perhaps 1 day short rest. Should they pitch them or rest them try to set up the rotation?

    Pedro walked awfully slow from the mound yesterday. Anybody else think he'll be welcomed in pinstripes next year?









Unless rainouts occur or the rotation is juggled, Schilling would go on Saturday the last weekend of the season against Baltimore in one game of a double-header. With an off-day that week, they might have him pitch on the Friday, setting him up to go Wed. in either game 1 or 2. Pedro would pitch mid week against Tampa, and would have to come back on 3 days rest to pitch the Sunday against Baltimore. The only way Pedro pitches that game is if the Red Sox need it to stay alive. At worst, he would be in line to pitch a 1 game playoff for the Wild Card on his normal day. If they throw him there, then he can't pitch until middle of the first round, and instead of Pedro and Schilling getting 3 out of 5 starts in the ALDS, they would only be in line for 2.



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Back to 3.5 after some sloppy play from both teams, and a couple Sox nail-biters (brought on by two blown saves - thanks, Keith.)

The series this weekend and the upcoming Yanks/Twins series are looming large, now.

And how 'bout that NL wild card, eh? Eh?



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Wild card, phooey...how 'bout that intense Cards/Brewers NL Central race?

Oh, wait...crap.

(At least I can cheer for the Red Sox...not like a Brewers fan has anything else to do this time of year except watch the Packers and go see Mr. 3000 one of these days...)



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Back to 3.5 after some sloppy play from both teams, and a couple Sox nail-biters (brought on by two blown saves - thanks, Keith.)

    The series this weekend and the upcoming Yanks/Twins series are looming large, now.

    And how 'bout that NL wild card, eh? Eh?


I don't want to talk about the NL wild card right now. When my Dodgers are freefalling, and not only that, to the F'n Giants and Bonds, I gotta just hang my head like I do every year.

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