We have the full lineup (unless they give us something on Heat), so it's time to do some prognostication:
Shawn Michaels vs. Edge- We all know who SHOULD win (even I as an HBK mark know that Edge needs to go over), but we all should again use our better judgment and pick HBK. Never pick against HBK! HBK wins with a rollup.
Undertaker vs. Heidenreich- Another thrilling Casket Match for sure. If this isn't the worst match on the card, I'll eat my "LA by way of the OC in Anaheim" Angels hat. Taker wins of course.
JBL vs. Angle vs. Big Show WWE Title match- I would give my left kidney at this point to get the title off of friggin Bradshaw. But the WWE is determined, and isn't likely to change its mind. JBL pins Angle after Big Show is blinded by the ghost of Yokozuna's salt.
HHH vs. Orton World Title Match- Batista is the wild card in this match along with Flair. Shenanigans from these two (especially Batista) should help HHH retain his title.
Royal Rumble Match- The participants, from wwe.com are, Batista, Booker T, Charlie Haas, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Christian, Dan Puder, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Gene Snitsky, Hardcore Holly, Jonathan Coachman, John Cena, Kane, Kenzo Suzuki, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, Muhammad Hassan, Orlando Jordan, Paul London, Rene Dupree, Rey Mysterio, Ric Flair, Scotty 2 Hotty, Shawn Michaels, Shelton Benjamin, Simon Dean, The Hurricane, and Viscera.
This is such a bad lineup, so we only go to the highlights. Batista and Flair will be eliminated by an avenging Randy Orton. Coach finds a way to make a humorous impact on the Rumble. Snitsky and Kane eliminate each other. Scotty 1 Nutty lasts the shortest amount of time.
I mentioned this in the last two of the Rumble thread, so I'll just restate that Cena and Edge will be the last two in the Rumble. HBK comes back to distract Edge, and Cena will eliminate him to win the Rumble.
John Cena wins the Rumble.
WADSWORTH: The games up, Scarlet. There are no more bullets left in that gun. SCARLET: Oh, come on, you don't think I'm gonna fall for that old trick? WADSWORTH: It's not a trick. There was one shot at Mr. Boddy in the study. Two for the chandelier, two at the lounge door, and one for the singing telegram. SCARLET:That's not six. WADSWORTH: One plus two plus two plus one. SCARLET:Nuh, uh. There was only one shot that got the chandelier. That's one plus two plus ONE plus one. WADSWORTH: Even if you are right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus TWO plus one plus one. SCARLET:(thinking) Okay, fine.One plus two plus one--(angered) Shut up!
HBK vs Edge: I'm thinking that they are going to draw this out until Wrestlemania. This just doesn't seem like a one match feud to me. So that probably means Edge wins by cheating somehow here, and goes on to lose to HBK cleanly at Mania.
Casket Match - Taker wins and Heidenreich goes away for a couple of months. I have no idea what Taker could be doing for Wrestlemania. This feud has gone on long enough, and for one to be built up enough for Wrestlemania, it better be getting started as soon as next week.
WWE Title Match - JBL and Angle basically demolish Big Show, the JBL has his cronies beat down Angle to take the win. Then at Wrestlemania, we've got JBL/Angle/Cena for the WWE Title, as Cena will win the Royal Rumble. Raw had a Triple Threat last year, now its Smackdown's turn.
World Heavyweight Title - HHH wins, Orton slides back down into the upper-midcard. I think a feud with Jericho or Benoit would be a nice thing for Orton to going into Wrestlemania. He needs to be in the ring with guys who are awesome in order to keep on learning, because I think he still has the potential to one day be awesome. Problem is, someone would have turn (at least partially) heel, and I can't figure out the best option. As for HHH, I think we'll have HHH vs Batista at Wrestlemania, where Batista wins the belt, because they better strike while the iron's hot with Batista. This whole Batista angle has been timed perfectly for an "upset" Wrestlemania win, it's just gotta be where they're going with it.
Royal Rumble - Somehow HHH causes Batista's elimination and he goes apeshit on him in a segment that takes the focus off one of the more boring middle parts of the Rumble match. Batista = full fledged face, and he earns his Wrestlemania title shot somehow in the next few weeks of RAW. John Cena is faced with all kinds of opposition in the final moments of the Rumble, but has a huge comeback and eliminates 3 or 4 guys in a row to win. At least one of his eliminations will be an FU from the ring to the floor. And it will be TOTALLY SWEET.
Lloyd: When I met Mary, I got that old fashioned romantic feeling, where I'd do anything to bone her. Harry: That's a special feeling.
HBK vs. Edge: Edge, via cheating. Taker vs. Heidenreich: Heidenreich, via Snitsky interference. JBL vs. Angle vs. Show: JBL. HHH vs. Orton: HHH, cleanly or with minimal assistance from Flair. Royal Rumble: Batista. Comes in at #15, clears house until Viscera comes in at #21. Kane and Snitsky wind up helping Batista eliminate Viscera, then eliminate themselves. Edge eliminates Scotty, Michaels dumps Edge, Edge distracts Michaels enough for Batista to eliminate him. Final four is Batista, Flair, Cena and Coach. Batista dumps Coach. Flair tries to toss Cena, but when Batista comes over to help Flair gets outed instead. "Was it intentional?" go the announcers. Batista finally dumps Cena. Flair is #30.
"He is the most overrated piece of crap in the league. He bitched and whined after he got his ass beaten in New England last year, so the NFL changed the rules. Then he got his ass beaten in New England again. Every year he's the top MVP candidate. Every year he's supposed to be the best. Every year he's going to carry the Colts to the Super Bowl. And every single year he goes to New England and gets his ass beaten. And his brother's a whiny little bitch." -A friend of mine, on Peyton Manning
HBK v. Edge - Edge wins via tomfoolery. HBK gets his revenfge later.
JBL v. Angle v. Big Show - it is JBL. They will keep the title on him until Wrestlemania.
Taker v. Heidenreich - Snitsky shows up to prior to the mathc, which brings out Kane. Turns into a tag team casket match, whoch will all know UT/Kane will win.
HHH v. Orton - I can honestly say this is the first PPV main event that I am pulling for HHH to win in a long time. If Orton wins, I may take a long breather from RAW.
Rumble - It is not going to be Batista becasue that would speed things up to much. One thigns for sure is, HBK will be in the final 5 and he will eliminate EDGE, once again causing Edsge to miss out on a chance to wrestle for the belt. That grudge will thankfully continue. As much as I want to NOT pick Cena, it looks like he will win. Of course, the WWE could fuck all of us over, put the HHH/Orton match on early, and then have Orton as the surpirise last entry and have him win the title to face HHH at Wrestlemania. If Vince is a sadistic bitch, and we know he is, this may happen.
I think you're an asshole. No, no, let me correct that, an immature asshole. Which is fine, except that you're marrying my daughter and I'm afraid that my grandchildren are gonna be little assholes.
I agree with the Edge/HBK feud extending until Mania, but in reverse. I see HBK getting the win here, with Edge going over at Mania in a gimmick match of some sort (Ladder?).
I'm still picking Angle over JBL and Big Show, so that they can indeed pull the trigger on the Undertaker/Angle match at Mania they talked about for the title.
Which means... I'm going with the surprise entry of Triple H into the Rumble (after losing the title earlier in the night to Orton) to win it. Then, Batista beats Orton between now and Mania, HHH gets the shot, and Batista goes over Triple H at Mania to solidify his top dog status. (Never happen, but one can pretend...)
Edit: Of course, the natural progression for Cena to Mania should my outlandish predictions come true, is to face New Jack (who would the be the 15th surprise entrant on the Smackdown side). HA!
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HBK/Edge: Edge goes over so he can return the job at Wrestlemania.
Orton/Trips: If they're serious about going to Wrestlemania with Orton and Triple H in the main event, then Orton should go over here. But I know better than to bet against Triple H.
Taker/Heidenreich: I'm actually gonna pick Heidenreich to go over here, because then they can do a mini-version of the Taker/Kane feud last year, with Taker harassing Heidenreich with "supernatural occurences" and Heidenreich not wrestling, until Wrestlemania. Because, c'mon, what else is there for these guys to do?
JBL/Angle/Show: Easiest pick on the whole card. JBL.
Rumble: Batista gets the Diesel push (I'd look for him to come in around ten or eleven so he can wipe the mat with a bunch of jobbers, and stay until the twenties). Cena wins.
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Rumble Match - Cena wins (I agree with the concensus), but the biggest news of the night is the return of BROCK LESNAR. That's my prediction, since I believe there's still a spot free on the SmackDown! side, and I've been waiting and hoping for a long time that Lesnar returns in the Rumble.
(edit: I just discovered that the Lesnar idea is being tossed around on several "newsboards" today. Hopefully there's something to this other than it being talk from a bunch of wishful thinkers like me.)
Shawn Michaels vs. Edge - Edge wins.
Undertaker vs. Heidenreich - Taker wins.
La Rez vs. Regal & Tajiri - La Rez wins.
JBL vs. Angle vs. Big Show WWE Title match - JBL wins.
I'd like to see the Diesel push go to a smaller guy. Traditionally, the Diesel push has gone to a big guy such as Diesel or Kane or Batista, but what if a guy like Paul London got the push and used his speed and cunning to eliminate opponent after opponent. I think that'd have a greater effect, because everybody expects a big guy to be able to elimintate the smaller guys, but if it's in reverse, it's that much more effective. So, yeah, my prediction is that Paul London gets the Diesel push this year.
But Batista wins the whole thing eliminating Ric Flair with Triple H watching at ringside after successfully defending his title against Orton.
Edge goes over Michaels to continue the feud. If the face wins the first match, what's the point in continuing the feud. The crowd has already gotten what they want in seeing the good guy beat the bad guy. Why pay money to see it again. Edge wins by a rollup with his feet on the ropes and a handful of tights to continue their feud.
UT v Heidenreich. Snitsky interferes helping Heidenreich win, which brings out Kane setting up the UT/Kane vs. Snitsky/Heidenreich match for WrestleMania, which will cause a black hole of suck to open up and collapse WM upon itself. But it'll still happen.
JBL v Angle v Big Show. JBL has to win to set up the JBL v Big Show match at No Way Out next month. I'm not sure how he wins but he does.
MonteCarl, I love the Paul London push idea. Especially since I'd like to see what he'd accomplish as a U.S. Champion (that'll be the day...). Sadly, I can't remember the last Diesel push given to a small guy who isn't taken too seriously. Unless we're going to talk about Maven's upset of Taker...which wasn't much of a push at all, in hindsight.
RAW & SMACKDOWN present the 18th Annual WWE Royal Rumble LIVE! from Fresno, California!
One Fall for World Tag Team Championship: LA RESISTANCE [Champions] vs. WILLIAM REGAL & TAJIRI Not actually announced, but odds are they'll announce it for either HeAT or the show itself. Predix: If it happens, La Rez retains via cheatery, giving the Tag Division some kind of chase angle.
One Fall: EDGE vs. SHAWN MICHEALS Fact: Nobody who's ever pulled double-duty at the Rumble has won the Rumble...except for Bret Hart & Brock Lesnar. Predix: HBK wins, but gets suitably messed up by Edge during & after.
Casket Match: THE UNDERTAKER vs. HEIDENREICH [with Paul Heyman] Fact: This feud has gone on waaaay too long and nobody cares anymore. Predix: The Undertaker wins. Yep.
Triple Threat for the WWE Championship: JOHN B. LAYFIELD [Champion; with Amy Weber, The Bashams & Orlando Jordan] vs. KURT ANGLE [with Luther Reigns & Mark Jindrak] vs. THE BIG SHOW [with Joy Giovanni] Fact: There are way too many people at ringside. Predix: The referee tosses everyone at the get-go to ensure fairness, and JBL wins via heelishness anyway.
One Fall for the World Championship: TRIPLE H [Champion; with Ric Flair & Batista maybe] vs. RANDY ORTON Predix: Flair & Batista MAY be at ringside. I'm guessing that this match will be right before the Rumble, so they could have both guys at ringside, only one of them (Flair, probably) or neither one of them and storyline it out. I'm gonna be a contrarian and say that even though Triple H just won the belt, he does a lie-down for Orton. But not clean. I'm guessing a ref bump and Flair gets involved, but Batista stops him from interfering. HHH snaps and bitches out Big Dave, but eats an RKO for taking his eye off the ball and Orton gets his 2nd Championship victory. Batista & Orton share an uneasy staredown (as Batista backs up the aisle) as JR & The King wonder if Batista & Orton were in cahoots.
The 18th Annual Royal Rumble: RAW: Batista, [2004 Winner] Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Christian, Edge, Gene Snitsky, Jonathan Coachman, Kane, Muhammad Hassan, [1992 Winner] Ric Flair, [1995 & 1996 Winner] Shawn Michaels, [Intercontinental Champion] Shelton Benjamin, The Hurricane, Simon Dean & Viscera SMACKDOWN: Booker T, Charlie Haas, [Tough Enough Winner] Daniel Puder, Eddie Guerrero, Hardcore Holly, [United States Champion] John Cena, Kenzo Suzuki, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, Orlando Jordan, Paul London, Rene Dupree, Rey Mysterio, Scotty 2 Hotty & 1 unnamed entrant Predix: Benoit draws 1, ala Flair in 1993. Guerrero draws 2. These guys carry the Rumble and last until the Final 4. Coach gets taken out easily, as does Dean. Brawls erupt between Angle's guys and JBL's guys (as a result of tensions after the WWE Title Match). London hits a Shooting Star Press. Edge & HBK eliminate each other. Final 4 ends up being Benoit, Guerrero, Cena & Batista. Triple H goes after Batista to try to screw him, but Orton runs in and chases off HHH. Benoit & Guerrero continue to chain-wrestle, ending with Benoit wriggling free from a Guerrero hold and dumping him out. Benoit & Batista team up and take out Cena, then wrestle straight 1-on-1. Batista is able to get an advantage over tired Benoit. Benoit reverses a Batista Bomb attempt into a Crossface, but Batista (having watched last year's Rumble) fights to his feet and tosses Benoit for the win. Benoit shakes Batista's hand afterwards and raises his hand. Oh, and the unnamed entrant ends up being The Undertaker. And he gets taken out by Snitsky & an interfering Heidenreich...leading into the match nobody wants to see at Mania. Dark horse mystery Smackdown picks are The Rock, New Jack & Brock Lesnar. New Jack appearance would lead to New Jack/Cena match at NWO, THEN Cena would get the title shot at Mania.
Mania Matches this leads into... World Title: Orton [c] vs. Batista vs. HHH [Evolution explodes! HHH invokes rematch clause for Mania, Batista gets his shot, too] WWE Title: JBL [c] vs. Cena [Cabinet costs Cena title to Jordan, Cena wins #1 contender's match at NWO (or later) for title shot] Benoit vs. Guerrero [Hey, why not?] Taker/Kane vs. Heidenreich/Snitsky [Why God? Why?]
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The champions will retain, Taker goes over, HBK/Edge is a toss up because the loser will get revenge in the Rumble match.
Concerning the Rumble itself, it has to be Batista, he's got all the momentum. Cena should not win this and I can't believe that some people are picking him. He's got no momentum, he only mentioned the Rumble last week, he is a poor worker, hasen't cut a decent promo since his heel days and if he wins we're looking at a Cena/JBL Main event of WrestleMania for cryin out loud, this can't deliver, at least Batista/HHH has potential.
I doubt Batista will win but with Brock being touted as returning in the RR (pure conjecture, but run with it for a sec)I see Lesnar coming in at about 15-18 cleaning house of the entire cast and just when everyone is saying "Man i didn't see that coming" Number 21 is Batista and we get the staredown that i know that,even though i'm not a huge fan of either, i know i want to see that confrontation.
And as an aside a fued with Batista and Brock down the line could be huge.
Oh right, Edge over HBK AND he eliminates him in the Rumble.
Orton over HHH
JBL over Angle, causing his and Show's NWO match
and a Raw guy wins the Rumble however they redo Austins 97' rumble "win" and somehow bring the Match back to Evolution against Orton and of course Dave says to HHH, don't worry. with both of us in WM it covers our bases
Three oinkers wearing pants, a plate of hot air, a basket of grandma's breakfast and change a bull to a gill, got it.
Whether the last spot turns out to be Brock or not, I don't know. No one credible has been able to offer a 'yes' or 'no' as yet. A good idea to leave the spot open to at least get speculation moving, and perhaps gauge how he would be received were he brought back. If it's not Brock, I hope they have someone decent to bring in or at least float a couple hundred bucks to a guy like Kamala, and provide some entertainment with it one way or another. Worst case scenario, IMO, would be a meaningless and uninteresting Kidman vs. Nunzio (for example) qualifying match on Heat for the right to get squashed by Batista around #14.
JBL retains, to justify the barbed wire match next month HHH retains, because Orton's push is dying Michaels over Edge, on a hunch Undertaker over Heidenreich, because this angle needs to stop Batista wins the Rumble
1988: Hacksaw Jim Duggan [Face]. Didn't actually get anything for winning. 1989: Big John Studd [Face]. Didn't actually get anything for winning. 1990: Hulk Hogan [Face]. Was already WWF Champion, so didn't actually get anything for winning. 1991: Hulk Hogan [Face], beat Sgt. Slaughter at WrestleMania VII for the WWF Title. 1992: Ric Flair [Heel], winning vacant WWF Title. Lost it to Randy Savage at WrestleMania VIII. 1993: Yokozuna [Heel], beat Bret Hart at WrestleMania IX for the WWF Title, then lost it to Hulk Hogan 90 seconds later. 1994: Bret Hart [Face] & Lex Luger [Face]. Both declared #1 contenders with WWF Title shots at WrestleMania X. Luger won cointoss and faced (and lost to) Yokozuna first, while Bret lost to Owen Hart (in the "even-up" match). Then Bret got his shot at the end of the show and beat Yokozuna for the WWF Title. 1995: Shawn Michaels [Heel], lost to Diesel for the WWF Title at WrestleMania XI. 1996: Shawn Michaels [Face], beat Bret Hart at WrestleMania XII in an Iron Man Match to win the WWF Title ("The boyhood dream has come true!"). 1997: Steve Austin [Heel, Sorta]. Won via some cheating, so they ended up holding a Final Four Match at Final Four with the winner facing Shawn Michaels for the WWF Title at WrestleMania XIII. But HBK got "injured", the Final Four Match was made for the WWF Title and Bret Hart won, nullifying the Austin as #1 contender gig. Oh, and WrestleMania ended up being Taker/Sid for some reason. 1998: Steve Austin [Face], beat Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XIV for the WWF Title. 1999: Vince McMahon [Heel], although he lost the #1 contendership to Steve Austin at St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Austin went on to beat The Rock for the WWF Title at WrestleMania XV. 2000: The Rock [Face], lost #1 contendership to Big Show at No Way Out, regained it a little later but McMahonity (McMahon + insanity) added Big Show and Mick Foley to co-#1 contendership and they ALL challenged Triple H at WrestleMania 2000 for the WWF Title...and all lost in an elimination match. The Rock ended up winning the title at Backlash the next month. 2001: Steve Austin [Face], beat The Rock at WrestleMania XVII to win the WWF Title...and turned heel mid-match. 2002: Triple H [Face], beat Chris Jericho at WrestleMania XVIII to win the Undisputed Title. 2003: Brock Lesnar [Face], beat Kurt Angle at WrestleMania XIX to win the WWE Title. 2004: Chris Benoit [Face], jumped to RAW and beat Triple H (and Shawn Michaels) at WrestleMania XX to win the World Title.
Every year since 1991 there's been some variation of the "Title Chase" in WrestleMania's main event, all as a result of winning the Rumble. And hell, a heel hasn't won the Rumble (and used the title shot) since 1995. So that rules out HALF of the damn entrants. It'd be nice if, for once, they threw us a curveball and had a heel win, if only to do something different.
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Can someone please explain to me why they are wasting perfectly good PPV time on a casket match between Undertaker and Heidenreich? After the constantly crappy matches they've had...this just boggles my mind.
"Don't compare my arm...to your cheap arm!" -Edward Elric
I think this was a case of two good matches bouncing off each other and causing one having to be rated a little less than the other. If the Albright/Punk match had been on the next episode, then Cappotelli/Jeter would look even better.