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PeterStork
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#1 Posted on
Two people who we've never seen before die; everyone else lives. Including Carmine. Tony buys a house. Tony doesn't buy a house. Dean Martin blares from his boat. Irina calls. Separation. Melfi answers her phone. Paulie agrees with Tony. Meadow wears very little clothes.

Oh-kay...who's to blame for this mess?

David Chase isn't: it's not his fault we expected so much out of the finale. It's not like he ever went on record that twelve thousand people would be whacked tonight. We all just assumed people would die.

David Chase is: by trying to stay so realistic, he created too many characters that his loose threads are flying all over the place. What's the final count on ignored subplots from seasons three and four? What was Junior's trial for, besides a season-long distraction for Corrato? Realism is nice, but when drama takes a backseat you have a problem.

HBO is: "Take Nothing For Granted?" Well, I'll remember next time not to take marriage for granted, what with that 50% divorce rate and all. Another winner from AOL.

HBO is: 13 episodes a year is not enough. Damn the cost and order 22 next year like the REAL networks do. Cast doesn't want to do it? Chase doesn't want to do it? Find a way. Money talks. HBO ain't cheap.

A disappointment for sure, but taken objectively far from a bad episode, or even a bad season finale. Actually it was quite good...very good. Falco's got an Emmy wrapped up for sure. Sopranos has always been more about character drama than violence, it's just we were led...or led ourselves...to believe that we'd have more the latter than the former tonight. We got a steller hour-and-change of television, and still I left it a tad let down.

The question now is this: for the series finale next year, or even for the season five premiere, will our hopes be so high? Or will we expect so little that Chase will easily meet expectations?

Forgive the royal "we". It may or may not apply to you.

(edited by PeterStork on 8.12.02 2320)

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#2 Posted on
Anyone want to bet that the Sea Bright house is forgotten by next season's premire?

And the Tony-Carmella scene in the pool house was flat out awesome. Even though you knew Tony would never, ever hit her, that scene kept me on the edge of my seat, because it MIGHT have happened.
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#3 Posted on
Fuck yes, DA. (That was the one where he repeatedly put his hand through the wall, right?)

It wasn't exactly the Shakespearean pile of bodies I was expecting, but it was still a good ep. More rock, less boring Janice = .



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tomvejada
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#4 Posted on
I was expecting either Johnny Sack or Carmine to get whacked. Of course, neither of them were.

I agree that the scene at the pool house was very good. Things don't look good for Furio if he comes back. Once again I didn't mind AJ and Meadow. Also we get a mistrial for Uncle Junior. Good.

Overall, a decent episode, I guess.

Just nine more months till the next and possibly last season of the Sopranos. Remember, even a subpar episode of the Sopranos is better than 90% of the crap on TV.



(edited by tomvejada on 9.12.02 0508)


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#5 Posted on
Last we saw, didn't Carmella not want to deal with Meadow any longer? Then, they are all lovey/dovey at the summer house. Classic part of the summer house is when Meadow is told she'll inherit it, and AJ has the look of 'If she gets it, I'll whack her myself.'
Why was nothing reported to Tony about the FBI agents watching Chris at rehab?
How are Paulie and Silvio only in one scene in the season finale?
Why the hell did Adrianna's FBI agent look/act like she was wasted?
Let's see, two key plots of Season 3 were Melfi's rape, and the Russian in the Woods. Not any pick-up in season 4 on those two plots.
Is it time to say that the death of Tony's mother, coupled with the whacking of Richie at the end of Season 2, really took the evil undertones away. While Johnny Sacks and Carmine could be used as foils, they are an outside force possibly threatening Tony, not the triumverate within that was Richie/Tony's mom/ and Uncle Junior.



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Since: 7.8.02
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#6 Posted on
So, last week Meadow is talking about going skiing over break. Now this week, Tony is lounging in the pool and hanging out at the shore. And now Bobby and Janice are an item? Exactly how long are we supposed to believe that time elapses between episodes?



How 'bout now?
DrOp
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#7 Posted on
Wow, you guys cound like wrestling fans. ;-)

I'm probably the only guy in America who isn't pissed at this season. In looking back, the focus of this year has been moreso on family and interpersonal relationships. I found Tony and Carmela's tension awesome and they may both walk away with Emmy's. There were these attachment/loss themes that ran through the year and *I* thought the show was fine.

I understand that many turn in for the "mob violence" but what's the mob/mafia if not a family business. I'm sure all this Johnny Sack, Carmine, stuff will drive next season. Or not, either way, I enjoyed this season. It was different, but good (IMO).


DrOp--waiting for HHH or Scott Keith to be blamed for all this.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I agree that the episode was very good, but DrOp, Redsox has a point about subplots being abandoned. I think it's a little early to paint us Weiners with the "HHHaters" schtik.

I wanted there to be more fireworks, sure, but what was there was awesome. I couldn't believe that Carmela blurted out the Furio infatuation, and that whole scene was great.

I have really hated AJ this season, but he was good in this last episode. I didn't care for Meadow either, but she can keep on running down stairs in her PJs all she wants. In fact, I hope the major subplot in season 5 is "Meadow runs around in sleepwear...what will Carmela think?"

An all-around great final episode, and season cinco is going to be explosive.



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#9 Posted on
Carmela will get the Emmy, but Tony has some competition from Kiefer Sutherland.





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#10 Posted on
Torch--I was a Chris Claremont X-men fanatic, so I guess I am used to dangling plotlines that never get resolved. I also think that that's how life is--not everything gets appropriately addressed or comes to a clean resolution. Just my opinion. I guess I am tiring (as the radio stations here was complaining as well) of the "nobody important got whacked so the episode sucked" vibe.

And the HHH/SK thing was a joke.


DrOp--damn, forgot the emoticon AGAIN. :)



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#11 Posted on
Eh. This was a good midseason episode that unfortunately came at the end. The Tony/Carmela stuff was good (and really, should have happened a LOT earlier than this)but the rest fell flat. It wasn't that it was bad it just, like the rest of the season, meandered around lazily.

I'm not gonna get into the general direction of the show (lest I be branded a "hater," whatever the hell THAT means) if the 4th season was to cover the family in decline, it did that, not very well, but it came across.

I'm just growing more dissatisfied with Chase's ideas of pacing. It seems like the episodes with serious focus from the first 2 seasons are a thing of the past and so are episodes which brigde plot points from one week to the next. The result is, nothing quite hangs together as well as it should.

Should be quite interesting with both "OZ" and "Sopranos" heading into their series finales how all the threads are tied up (or not)


(edited by Enojado Viento on 11.12.02 1306)

(edited by Enojado Viento on 11.12.02 1317)

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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by tomvejada
    Carmela will get the Emmy, but Tony has some competition from Kiefer Sutherland.




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(edited by kazhayashi81 on 11.12.02 1721)





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#13 Posted on
I saw the episode again last night. Man, most of the regulars only had 1-2 scenes in the finale. No wonder they were upset about their pay.

That poolhouse scene is a classic.

Also, Xander Berkley who plays Mason should get the Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Emmy.



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#14 Posted on
Keifer Sutherland's acting ain't that great. Don't get me wrong - "24" is an excellently written, exciting, unpredictable, original television show, and one of the all-around best shows on TV, and the Jack Bauer character kicks about fifteen different types of ass, but none of the acting performances are anything special.

James Gandolfini and Edie Falco both are shoo-ins this year to pick up Emmys, especially the latter. She was fantastic in an otherwise disappointing season finale. (I felt the same way about it as I did for the Season Three finale - that was a really killer "last episode before the season finale".) I'd like to see some love for Michael Imperioli or Joey Pantolioni, while they're at it. Jamie Lynn-Sigler's been great this year whenever she was on, as well. (I know none of you like the character, but you can't deny she plays her well.)

Of course, Nancy Marchand never got an Emmy for this show, so they have no idea what in the hell they're doing.

By the way, when Tony met with Johnny Sack with about a minute left in the show, and Sack drove away first, were you expecting someone to come out and shoot Tony, or was that just me? Now, that would've been a way to end the season - although it's been done.



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#15 Posted on
I'm still baffled by the fact that The Sopranos has never won the Emmy for Best Drama.





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Kurt Angle
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Keifer Sutherland's acting ain't that great. Don't get me wrong - "24" is an excellently written, exciting, unpredictable, original television show, and one of the all-around best shows on TV, and the Jack Bauer character kicks about fifteen different types of ass, but none of the acting performances are anything special.

    James Gandolfini and Edie Falco both are shoo-ins this year to pick up Emmys, especially the latter. She was fantastic in an otherwise disappointing season finale. (I felt the same way about it as I did for the Season Three finale - that was a really killer "last episode before the season finale".) I'd like to see some love for Michael Imperioli or Joey Pantolioni, while they're at it. Jamie Lynn-Sigler's been great this year whenever she was on, as well. (I know none of you like the character, but you can't deny she plays her well.)

    Of course, Nancy Marchand never got an Emmy for this show, so they have no idea what in the hell they're doing.

    By the way, when Tony met with Johnny Sack with about a minute left in the show, and Sack drove away first, were you expecting someone to come out and shoot Tony, or was that just me? Now, that would've been a way to end the season - although it's been done.






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