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Click Here (thestar.com)

For all who blindly cite the fact that Saddam has gassed his own people this may be worth considering.

The article was published in the Toronto Star which does have a pretty extreme left wing and anti-war bias. Never the less, it's a column from the paper's ombud and expresses the point pretty clearly.
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Interesting. And here I had always assumed that the village had been attacked to put down another Kurdish uprising.

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Kind of sketchy if you ask me... they are basically saying that the town was under Iranian control when it was gassed, so it was not REALLY gassing his own people.

If I may draw a comparison, that would be like us going to war with Russia, the Russians taking Seattle, and us responding by NUKING it. Who cares about what military is occupying the city- your civilians are still there.

No matter which way the evidence points, it was still a heinous act.




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#4 Posted on
    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Kind of sketchy if you ask me... they are basically saying that the town was under Iranian control when it was gassed, so it was not REALLY gassing his own people . . . No matter which way the evidence points, it was still a heinous act.


Not to go on the attack here, but did you read the article? You seemed to have missed some pretty important points:

1. The story of Saddam gassing and killing thousands of innocent Kurds (who may have been Iraqis) was started by Iran which was at war with Iraq at the time. I think we're all pretty familiar with the fact that nations at war often lie about each other.

2. The evidence seems to point to Iranian gas being behind the deaths.

3. The picture war supporters have painted about Saddam gassing his own people for no reason is either not true or at least greatly exagerated.

(edited by anibanging on 8.3.03 1620)
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    Originally posted by anibanging
      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      Kind of sketchy if you ask me... they are basically saying that the town was under Iranian control when it was gassed, so it was not REALLY gassing his own people . . . No matter which way the evidence points, it was still a heinous act.


    Not to go on the attack here, but did you read the article? You seemed to have missed some pretty important points:

    1. The story of Saddam gassing and killing thousands of innocent Kurds (who may have been Iraqis) was started by Iran which was at war with Iraq at the time. I think we're all pretty familiar with the fact that nations at war often lie about each other.

    2. The evidence seems to point to Iranian gas being behind the deaths.

    3. The picture war supporters have painted about Saddam gassing his own people for no reason is either not true or at least greatly exagerated.

    (edited by anibanging on 8.3.03 1620)



Supposing for the sake of argument that Saddam never gassed his own people - so what? For the people who think Saddam is a threat, this changes nothing. And for those who think Saddam is a tyrant, well, there is plenty of other evidence to support that. This is like saying a criminal might only have killed 15 people, not 20 like we originally thought.

And I offer this semi-rhetorical question: Why did we establish no-fly zones after Gulf I?

(edited by PalpatineW on 8.3.03 1705)


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I don't remember where I read it, but some american fighter pilots were shot at flying in a no -flying zone. It sounds to me like they SHOULD be shot at, for FLYING in the NO-FLY zone.



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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    I don't remember where I read it, but some american fighter pilots were shot at flying in a no -flying zone. It sounds to me like they SHOULD be shot at, for FLYING in the NO-FLY zone.
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Yup, just heard this one on the morning NBC news. Two F-14(?) pilots thought they were being shot at from ground forces and dropped at least one 500-pound bomb on a Canadian position, killing 4 Canadians. Both countries are investigating the incident.
- Jaguar, America Bombs Canada (2002)
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