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Rudy
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Since: 3.1.02

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#1 Posted on
WWE has really gone overboard with the soap opera crap lately, and I'm wondering if anyone in Stamford is aware of one fact....soap operas are dying in the ratings.

The entire genre is in the midst of a ratings free-fall that really began during the OJ trial, when shows were pre-empted for months on end. The problem is that the ratings never rebounded after the trial ended, and over the last couple of years they've plunged even more. The top-rated daytime drama, Young and Restless, used to draw nearly 11 million viewers each day. Now they're lucky to draw half that. Most other soaps draw fewer than three million viewers each day.

The combined audience has plummeted 70% over the last seven years. Most of the NBC line up has fewer daily viewers than HEAT does each Sunday.

So I'm wondering, is Vince hitching his wagon to a dead horse?

Or is the recent upsurge in "shock" attempts just a try at copying "The Sopranos", "The Sheild" and "Jackass"---hip trends filtered though the mind of a nearly 60-year-old man?

Vince needs to realize that the reason the WWF got hot during the Attitude era was becuause he had the right combination of talent at the right time. His primary genius was in stepping back and letting them do their work while he was lucky and got all the credit.

I think maybe he needs to step back and let someone younger run the creative end for awhile.

Not Steph, maybe Shane.

Later, Rudy
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#2 Posted on
I have't watched soap operas since like '98 or something. They got too repetetive and everybody was turning into sluts and murderers. If THAT sounds familiar, then you know my feelings towards this issue.

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Scorpio
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Since: 18.2.02
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#3 Posted on


    Originally posted by Rudy
    So I'm wondering, is Vince hitching his wagon to a dead horse?


Please don't give him ideas.




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mountinman44
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Since: 8.5.02
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Scorpio


      Originally posted by Rudy
      So I'm wondering, is Vince hitching his wagon to a dead horse?


    Please don't give him ideas.



Yeah, because the next thing you know, HHH will be popping the horse in the pooper.



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Since: 15.1.02
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#5 Posted on
Oh, please, I already got enough nightmares!

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ICEMAN
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Since: 23.5.02
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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by mountinman44

      Originally posted by Scorpio


        Originally posted by Rudy
        So I'm wondering, is Vince hitching his wagon to a dead horse?


      Please don't give him ideas.



    Yeah, because the next thing you know, HHH will be popping the horse in the pooper.




Now Vince is gonna be even more pissed at us..........you just ruined next weeks RAW.






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Net Hack Slasher
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Since: 6.1.02
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#7 Posted on
How dare you question Vince McMahon he's a genius all his yes men say so. The man always has the pulse of what's in and what's hip.

How about recently when he went with the Howard Stern philos0phy of how to portray women. We all know how cutting edge and new Stern is now.. especially by how his syndicated show is cancelled and listeners are dropping he kinda like a dinosaur in the industry. Well how can we forget the cutting edge television on September 9 when he based the whole show around a lesbian makeout session.. Which resulted in the lowest rating in 4 years with a 3.4. But damn that was cutting edge.. When Roseanne did it 10 years ago. But a these chicks are hot.. Until one of the girls got her ribs broken. But the payoff was huge with the 3 minute boys getting really over..Resulting with a huge depush and getting squashed by Big Show this week.

Ummm VINCE IS A GENIUS, Just repeat that everyone who works with him does... More soap opera feel to the show with A necrophiliac angle on top. That sounds great Mister McMahon!!

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 23.10.02 2258)


Don't really know if going into detail here is the right place because we all know a wrestling messageboard is no place for wild speculation and innuendo
DarrylTheHitman
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Since: 21.9.02
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#8 Posted on
Maybe instead of getting soap opera writers or comedy writers in, Vince should try to get drama writers? People that have worked on The Practice, Law and Order, Homicide, West Wing, ER, etc.? He probably wouldn't get those exact people but people who have worked on those kind of shows? Maybe it wouldn't work either but it might be slightly more interesting. I'm half-tempted to say call up David E. Kelley but he's prolly got enough on his plate already.



miknight
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Since: 22.10.02
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#9 Posted on
Nice idea there Darryl, it'd make the soup opera (intended) vince is looking for into the drama kind of entertainment that might work on this kind of show.

think about it, when they did "Who ran over Austin" it started out like The Practice or something serious like that but entertaining and it went well. as soon as they went down soup opera lane with Steve Blackman, Billy Gunn & Rikishi and the contrived Super H motive, people turned away pretty quickly, no matter how hard Austin tried to save it.

The only good thing to come out of it was the Armageddon 6-way and the final pay-off with Triple H and Austin in that 3 falls match.

Of course if this whole thing leads to a great match then i will take back every word because that's all i really want.



You should write that down.
Bongo P. Michinoku
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Since: 31.8.02
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#10 Posted on
Here's how I think about this.

One or two Passions references per season of Buffy: Good.
Full-on use of soap opera B-plots from ten years ago resurfacing on Raw/Smackdown: Flip to the Canucks game.
redsoxnation
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Since: 24.7.02

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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by DarrylTheHitman
    Maybe instead of getting soap opera writers or comedy writers in, Vince should try to get drama writers? People that have worked on The Practice, Law and Order, Homicide, West Wing, ER, etc.? He probably wouldn't get those exact people but people who have worked on those kind of shows? Maybe it wouldn't work either but it might be slightly more interesting. I'm half-tempted to say call up David E. Kelley but he's prolly got enough on his plate already.



1) If the person has had a good original thought prior to working for the WWE, they are unqualified, because they might somehow take the spotlight away from Vincent K. McMahon.
2) Vince won't pay for quality writers because they are not Vince McMahon, thus they are not geniuses and do not deserve to be paid hefty salaries to write in the shadow of greatness that is Vince and Steph/Steph.



I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
Redhawk1810
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Since: 10.1.02
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#12 Posted on
If this is Vince's idea of a soap opera, than it just shows how lowly he think of them. You cannot just throw out completely ridiculous stuff that not only ignores YEARS of a character's history, but also isn't compelling (Kane is NOT the guy to use in a "emotional" angle. Try Maven or something). That's why Passions is the worst show (let alone soap) ever, because it's just too ridiculous. Taking ideas from soaps is fine, but take the GOOD ideas.

Soap-opera-like storylines have worked in wrestling:

Savage-Flair-Liz
Spike-Molly
Jericho-Chyna-Eddy
Angle-HHH-Steph

But Kane-HHH-Corpse ain't cuttin' it.



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