Okay, after all the threads on "W", Dean, Kerry, Edwrads, etc., how about a little mind stretching without bashing the other side? The question is for those of you who see no viable candidate on the other side, who would you accept from that party? No bashing of the current candidates but say you are AWA or Grimis and not thrilled with the Dem.'s, who from the Dem's would be acceptable and vice versa for you Dem's out there. I am curious who isn't a total idiot.
Originally posted by DrDirtOkay, after all the threads on "W", Dean, Kerry, Edwrads, etc., how about a little mind stretching without bashing the other side? The question is for those of you who see no viable candidate on the other side, who would you accept from that party? No bashing of the current candidates but say you are AWA or Grimis and not thrilled with the Dem.'s, who from the Dem's would be acceptable and vice versa for you Dem's out there. I am curious who isn't a total idiot.
Joe Lieberman. He's pro-death, but not stupidly so (he supports a viability law, for example). Voted for the GOP tax cut. Didn't vote for the balanced budget thing. He voted for Iraq and for Iraq reconstruction. Says good thing about the Military. Against gun control. For a one-time legalization of illegal immigrants. Has voted against a BUNCH of welfare increases and for a bunch of welfare reforms.
Yeah, this is Lieberman in a slam dunk from the "current candidates", for both political and character reasons.
If I were stuck with any Democrat as President, I would prefer it to be Zell Miller, but that wasn't a real stretch either.
The other party's nomination battle is still playing out. The candidates are an interesting group, with diverse opinions. For tax cuts, and against them. For NAFTA, and against NAFTA. For the Patriot Act, and against the Patriot Act. In favor of liberating Iraq, and opposed to it. And that's just one senator from Massachusetts. - President George W. Bush
Personally, from the GOP side of things, I have had a couple of people who I have found to be admirable despite my disagreeing with them on issues. I would have voted for George Ryan had he run again for Gov. of Illinois. If John McCain or Colin Powell were to run from the GOP, I would give them strong consideration.
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Originally posted by MoeGatesI refer the right honorable gentleman to the previous thread.
Moe- As a fellow NYer (albeit a Democrat one ;-), how could you possibly like Mayor Mike??? I was so sure everyone hated him on all sides... He's probably the first Republican I can think of that may actually lose the primary in his reelection year!
If McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000 - and it still boggles my mind that George W. Bush wiped the floor up with him - the first Presidential cantidate I, Mr. Liberal, would've voted for would've been a Republican.
EDIT: I also would vote for him over anyone who's run in this campaign, save Howard Dean.
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Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastardIf McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000 - and it still boggles my mind that George W. Bush wiped the floor up with him - the first Presidential cantidate I, Mr. Liberal, would've voted for would've been a Republican.
EDIT: I also would vote for him over anyone who's run in this campaign, save Howard Dean.
McCain was an easy choice, and would have stomped Gore into the ground electorally, and we could have avoided much of the scandal and corruption in the current administration.
As far as the dems running.. Lieberman was and is, a tool. Clark was my hope, but he just couldn't keep his mouth shut long enough to not be branded an idiot. (I don't think he is an idiot, just that he wasn't prepared for the politics involved) Dean was a surefire loser. No questions asked. His one issue was Iraq, lots of people mad about Iraq. But when it comes down to it, it won't get you elected. Kucinich is the most principaled of all of them, and the one with the most ideas for the future. Which is why he is pulling 1% everywhere. Edwards is probably as good a choice as any of them, as far as electability, but he is missing something. I think he will be a player in presidential politics in the future. ANd John Kerry. John Kerry is the most Status Quo politician of this bunch not named George Bush. His voting record is clean, the guy has for the most part avoided any real hypocricy with his votes. His Vietnam service and then protest is enviable. I think most of the people who are vehemently antiwar have seen what war is. I think most hawks, in large, have not seen war, especially in these days and ages when there haven't been any really huge body counts with any of our conflicts.
If I had to pick someone who I wanted to run. Joe Biden. I think he could probably pick up some reagan democrats. He's well spoken, has a warm personality, and tends to vote his conscience, which is a good thing. He also seems principaled
Originally posted by GrimisYeah, this is Lieberman in a slam dunk from the "current candidates", for both political and character reasons.
I honestly don't mean this as an insult or zinger, but this does even more to reinforce my refusal to vote for Lieberman for _anything_.
I'm not entirely sold on McCain, but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Bush. I'm having trouble thinking up Republicans that I'd trust with the Presidency, but then again, I'm having trouble picturing most Democrats in that position...
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Grimis, I thought you were Mr. Anti-Big Brother? Lieberman is just as scary to me as Ashcroft when it comes to personal liberties, dictating moral values, and more government involvement in our daily lives. Lieberman just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy you would get behind.
Originally posted by JaguarGrimis, I thought you were Mr. Anti-Big Brother? Lieberman is just as scary to me as Ashcroft when it comes to personal liberties, dictating moral values, and more government involvement in our daily lives. Lieberman just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy you would get behind.
We had to choose someone from the other side. I didn't say I would vote for him, but that I could. Let's say it was the fall election and by some weirdness it was Kerry Vs Lieberman - I vote for Joe. Kerry Vs. Kucinich, I stay home or write in Condie Rice.
I've read autobiographies of basically every political figure who has put them out. The two who I would most like to see in charge of this country are John McCain and Jesse Ventura. Jesse will never have a shot, nor do I think he wants one. McCain could've done well, but it was just not to be.
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If I had to vote Republican, it'd honestly be anybody but Bush. I'm not bashing W, I just don't agree with most of his platform. However, I'm closer to Democrat (aside from Independant), and there my vote would go to Dean, if he's still in the race when the time comes, otherwise Kerry has it. But overall, Dean is my top choice (the scream put him over for me;D) In the '00 election, on the other hand, I was impressed with Nader. If he could run this time without endangering the Democratic votes (like he did last time) he'd be my third pick.
But, yeah. Anybody but Bush.
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You know, I would have an easier time pulling the lever for Edwards than Kerry. I keep hearing that the support for Kerry is because he's electable. But personally, I think Edwards matches up better against Bush than Kerry does. Remember, the November election won't swing on loyal Republican and Democratic voters, it will swing on independents and disgruntled party members who may be willing to switch for an election. I think a lot of these votes swing on intangibles. Edwards is a great speaker, and seems to be just a good guy. Kerry on the other hand seems smug, smarmy, and just arrogant.
See, in Tennessee, I see Kerry as having no shot carrying the state. Edwards, on the other hand, I could see mounting a challenge. (Yes, Kerry did beat Edwards in the primary here, but so few people vote in the primary, and I'm sure were just the hardcore Dems, I don't think that's a true reflection of how things would go in a general election i.e. if the vote had been Kerry vs. Edwards, winner goes to the White House, I'm sure Edwards would win) You could say that TN is not all that important, but given what happened last time, and I suspect the vote will be close again, EVERY state matters. That said, this opinion may carry a regional bias. Obviously Kerry DOES get elected in Massachusetts. And given some of the others that either get elected or trumped up in some other way, I think what may play as cocky here just plays as confidence there. So I can see that this may just be a matter of perspective, and maybe if you did a state-by-state breakdown, Kerry really does have the best shot.
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